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Another rediculous claim by atheist that the rising of red sea never happened in the exodus , saying the water was only 3 inches high at that time of the year so anybody could have crossed , Yet they forget somehow Pharaoh and armies are sopposed to drown somehow? I dont see hundres of soldier drown in 3 inches of water.

That might be credible, but your theory hinges on atheists believing in Pharoah's armies being drowned by an vengeful god. If we don't believe that the Reds Sea rose, why would we believe that God drowned anyone?

Yea, God, in his infinite wisdom, tries to lead us astray from going to his kingdom by putting dinosaur bones in the Earth. He wants us all to be saved, so he throws obstacles in the way, knowing that the meek will go to hell because of it. God's cheating. I want my money back.

What's a prime ape....OH, you mean PRIMATE...oh, ok.

Okay, so I lied.

So. God destroys all evil and all sin. What's left? Nothing but God.

Sin, by definition, is an attitude contrary to God's. So everyone has sinned. God would have to destroy everything.

God wanted true worshippers. He had to allow people to choose not to in order to get people that want to. Each and every one of us can make that choice. What's the choice? Allow God to truly forgive you. Now, it's easy to say, "sure, if he wants to he can go right ahead, I won't complain." But is that making a decision? No, that's passive indifference. If you were going to war, you wouldn't want an indifferent army. They would be worthless.

So, you want proof of all of this? Too bad. I want proof that going to college will give me a better life. Does that mean that, since there isn't concrete proof it will benefit me, I shouldn't go after it? The same is true with faith, only on a much, much larger scale.

And no, I didn't read that article. But don't make the assumption all "Christians" oppose science.

Another disjointed idea: rules aren't God's thing. Rules are the result of men looking for ways to be better than each other. As much as I would want a Christian to remain pure before marriage, not murder people, be honest; plain and simple as long as someone truly believes Christ will forgive their sins and accepts it, they'll go to heaven.

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
[B]Another rediculous claim by atheist that the rising of red sea never happened in the exodus , saying the water was only 3 inches high at that time of the year so anybody could have crossed , Yet they forget somehow Pharaoh and armies are sopposed to drown somehow? I dont see hundres of soldier drown in 3 inches of water.

That might be credible, but your theory hinges on atheists believing in Pharoah's armies being drowned by an vengeful god. If we don't believe that the Reds Sea rose, why would we believe that God drowned anyone?

Yea, God, in his infinite wisdom, tries to lead us astray from going to his kingdom by putting dinosaur bones in the Earth. He wants us all to be saved, so he throws obstacles in the way, knowing that the meek will go to hell because of it. God's cheating. I want my money back.

What's a prime ape....OH, you mean PRIMATE...oh, ok. [/B]

1. I believe the red sea rose as it is very well described in exodus , The Red sea isnt a marsh and its pretty deep.

Pharaoh was drowned out of his own stupidity , Wow lets go chase the Hewbrews though this of wall water that stands on its own!

I Believe Dinosuars existed , Any soppose christian who denies it brings shame to Christ as Genesis even would support their
existence as God made flying and swimming beast before he made man a million years later.(3rd day)

If you think Dinosaurs were created as a Obstacle good for you because I dont.I think you make a pretty big acussation claiming god is trying to cheat.

So, you want proof of all of this? Too bad. I want proof that going to college will give me a better life. Does that mean that, since there isn't concrete proof it will benefit me, I shouldn't go after it? The same is true with faith, only on a much, much larger scale.

Taking a risk that something may benefit you is one thing. Religion is another. There isn't even any remote proof of it ever being real; you believe in it because you've been indoctrinated from birth. You probably will believe in it all your life, without every seeing any confirmation in any way. That's not "faith" as you call it, thats blindness. Every religion uses it; it's an old trick.

You say that we have to prove ourselves good enough to enter heaven, but having faith in God. What of all those people who live outside the dominion of Christianity, like Zulus and all those who've never been infect by the glorious gospel? They're all condemned to eternity in hell because of that? Only one in six people are going to heaven...? That disproportinate number makes me think that the huge suffering isn't worth the miniscule number who'd be saved, and that thusly, God should end humanity immediately.


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...still around.

Why don't you quote instead of bolding stuff, Darunia?

Quote:1. I believe the red sea rose as it is very well described in exodus , The Red sea isnt a marsh and its pretty deep.

Pharaoh was drowned out of his own stupidity , Wow lets go chase the Hewbrews though this of wall water that stands on its own!

It was a marsh at the top edge of the Red Sea, and then exaggerated in stories probably for generations afterwards... like many stories of the sort...

Quote:And no, I didn't read that article. But don't make the assumption all "Christians" oppose science.

No, just the ones in the Bush administration and all the radical groups that are trying (and in some cases, as that article outlines, succeeding) to cripple science... and they are very clever. I highly recommend reading at least most of that article... trying to get "intelligent design" taught in schools, trying to stop all cloning and stem cell rescearch (which would greatly hurt medical science), trying to stop condom distribution in Africa by giving money to cheap aids drugs instead (very clever!), etc...

Quote:So, you want proof of all of this? Too bad. I want proof that going to college will give me a better life. Does that mean that, since there isn't concrete proof it will benefit me, I shouldn't go after it? The same is true with faith, only on a much, much larger scale.

No, but there is plenty of data that says going to college helps people overall... getting better jobs, etc... not for any one person in particular, but in general? There is hard data.

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
[B] So, you want proof of all of this? Too bad. I want proof that going to college will give me a better life. Does that mean that, since there isn't concrete proof it will benefit me, I shouldn't go after it? The same is true with faith, only on a much, much larger scale.

Taking a risk that something may benefit you is one thing. Religion is another. There isn't even any remote proof of it ever being real; you believe in it because you've been indoctrinated from birth. You probably will believe in it all your life, without every seeing any confirmation in any way. That's not "faith" as you call it, thats blindness. Every religion uses it; it's an old trick.

You say that we have to prove ourselves good enough to enter heaven, but having faith in God. What of all those people who live outside the dominion of Christianity, like Zulus and all those who've never been infect by the glorious gospel? They're all condemned to eternity in hell because of that? Only one in six people are going to heaven...? That disproportinate number makes me think that the huge suffering isn't worth the miniscule number who'd be saved, and that thusly, God should end humanity immediately.


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...still around. [/B]

Clearly the one thing you were indoctrinated from birth is Intolerance. I have not been brainwashed my will is my own ,
Just because you feel god doesnt exist doesnt mean there isnt any proof that he does indeed live.This is a very unproductive arguement.

Since you suddenly decided to judge god we can assume you believe in his existence? God also knows the hearts of men and will be fair and give the people who were unable to know his will due to the country or region they live or there education such as reading skills will be given opportunities to live in his kingdom after judgement.
Jesus said the lame , the blind, the deaf, the unfortunate are all open in the eyes of god and his heart.

Killing everyone would be merciless and pointless we can only be thankful god is more merciful then you.

Yeah... (ASM)

So no, Christianity, Islam, Bhuddism, those are all religions. The thing about faith is that God can call whomever he wants. So say there's some tribe out in the middle of nowhere that nobody has contacted. God could easily inform them of Christ's sacrifice (note that "Christ" is only the name we use to identify him. A rose is still a rose in any other language, and I suppose the same could be true of Christ. So what man can say God couldn't give that tribe the notion some being had been sacrificed to save them?

To put it simply, religion is man, faith is God. As to what rules HE has, well, that's his thing.

Personally, I go with the Bible. But like I said before, no one lifestyle gets you to heaven. That's just not what it is. Will all Christians go to heaven? No. Will all others go to hell? I'd say: probably not.

Quote:As for not wanting to obbey god , it would be the same as parents not even teach their kids anything just let them do whatever they want imagine how messed society would be.How selfish it would be.

1) How am I supposed to know that what others tell me are the true intentions of god, should he exist?

2) SINCE this god doesn't speak to me directly, I'm left to have faith based of the loony teachings of organized religion. Why should I believe what they tell me? I'd much rather look at the world and my own experiences and make my own decisions on what my morals are, rather than handing them to others who claim to know the true wishes of god.

I'm a human, I have that power of individuality, and rather than throwing it away to conformity to a group of people who tell me I'm unworthy and need to be saved and claim to know god's intentions and wishes, I'm going to USE it. It was my gift, after all, wasn't it? That isn't called selfishness, it's called practicality and independence.

Very true, Jellybean. What it boils down to is that religion is only what you make of it. You say we're unworthy; that if we don't conform to your ways, that we're hell-bound because your god so deems it fit. Such isn't very open minded, and if it indeed does reflect the true nature and will of god, reflects that he is a very rigid disciplinarian.

You counter my claim that most modern Christians are sinply indoctrinated from birth to be jus that. You claim that I practive intolerance; yet I am the one lashing out at the pre-established status-quo... I am the one who is trying to spread a new way of lookin at things and you're lashing out intolerably at me.

"I have not been brainwashed my will is my own..." you truly believe that, I belive you; but you're wrong. If you'd been born into a world apart from religion, you'd be atheist. Without church influence, everyone would be atheist. Can you TRULY tell me that you family raising you a Chrisitian had NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR BEING ONE?

My parents werent born christians Darunia infact they were really were not raised religously they just one day decided to look for meaning in life and studied to Become Christians.

I was certainly raised in a religous enviroment myself but when I became a teenager is when I really questioned everything and perhaps for a time I didnt really believe in god untill the year I got terrible migrains from my jaw deformity and was incapable of doing much so I had plenty of time to meditate on the meaning of life and bassically carefully rexamined everything I was taught.

If you choose not to be relgious and seek things out on your own thats your decision and at your own risk.

But I personally believe people should not go with the flow and fellow just any current trend of right and wrong.

I think having good morals on issues like sex before marriage or drug abuse can benifit a person life.

I admit I am trying to promote Gods will , but does that mean am wrong for exercising my constiutional right to teach?

My grandfather was Atheist my mother certainly isnt.

Go ahead; sidestep my question if you can't handle it.

I've spent oh-so-much time in oh-so-deep thought about this topic, and philosophy in general. In the end, I concluded that there is no god, and this ended my four-year stint in agnosticism. I'm not an anti-christ, I'm a very nice fellow...I just believe that there is no god, and it insults me on behalf of all humanity to see just how unevolved we all are...

If you choose not to be relgious and seek things out on your own thats your decision and at your own risk.

Risk? Try choice...as in freedom of not committing myself to a life time of false faith. Worshippping...christs' sake, why would god want to be worshipped unless he has some form of inferiority complex. Is his ego so large that he created a race of inferior mortals just so they'd "worship" him?

But I personally believe people should not go with the flow and fellow just any current trend of right and wrong.

A respectable stance, yet you are a hippocrite... being Christian is going with the flow, is it not? You claim to have made that choice freely, but if it'd never been impressed upon you at a young and early age it would never have stuck.

I think having good morals on issues like sex before marriage or drug abuse can benifit a person life.

Yea me too; morales aren't the argument here. Are you trying to say that atheist don't believe in morals; that morals are reserved only for those elite Christians?

I admit I am trying to promote Gods will , but does that mean am wrong for exercising my constiutional right to teach?

Teaching isn't the word, it's preaching. Teaching is generally associated with telling the truth through facts.

Quote: Risk? Try choice...as in freedom of not committing myself to a life time of false faith. Worshippping...christs' sake, why would god want to be worshipped unless he has some form of inferiority complex. Is his ego so large that he created a race of inferior mortals just so they'd "worship" him?

Why must it be that way? We're God's children, and He is our Father. Thus, he's not looking for worship, per se. He just wants our love. Is it selfish for a person to have a child and want that child to love them? Is it because parents have inferiority complexes? And while the love between human parents and children is shared by family experiences, it's hard to play a game of catch with the Almighty. So, we pray to show our love for Him. He gave us life and intelligence, we give him a few simple prayers. Objectively I'd say it's us humans that get more out of it.

Darunia its your choice not to believe in god but saying those that do are unevolved and inferior is out of line.

When I stated we shoudnt go with the flow what I meant was keeping a straight view in right and wrong and not simpily adjusting it to suite our desires as that wouldnt be morals.

God is a father , He created other beings for companionship , He has given us plenty perhaps even more then we will ever know , I think asking for a little thank you and respect isnt a very big price on humans.If god simpily wanted worship he would be the like devil with no right and wrong or care of life and death.

Weltall, you make good points; but it isn't that simple. Loving someone is loving someone...I'm sure you love your god, and you love your mother as well. That's fine, but your religion commands you not simply to love, but to fall to your knees and pray. That's where I believe it turns unrealistic. Praying to show your love is one thing, that's called 'PRAYER'...the word 'WORSHIP' in turn is what christians must do to retain their status as a salvation-toting elite people. If god's love were so infinite, I don't think he'd contest people and send them to hell...even if that were satan's work, were god almight he could intervene.

Darunia, its silly to try to question this stuff... they always come up with an "answer"...

I'd have to agree with Weltall. We do get more out of it. All that's required is that we follow ten commandments, most of which we should follow anyway (i.e. murder, stealing), and ask God to forgive us whenever we don't obey those commandments. On the other hand, God had to sacrifice his only son, who had to be nailed to a big piece of wood, in order to forgive our sins.

Yes, we will always have an "answer", but of course, we expect that you will always have another "question" of God's worth or existance. Believe what you want, but I'm sticking by these beliefs.

There will always be questions when the facts are as nonexistant as they are here...

Oh, and yes, I am trying to get this thread to hit page 9. :)

Quote: On the other hand, God had to sacrifice his only son, who had to be nailed to a big piece of wood, in order to forgive our sins.

You're too late Geno, we already hammered that. To recap, the counterstroke was "if God were infinitely powerful and can do anything why is it that he could only save us by sacrificing his only son." This baffled the Holy Roman Alliance here.

Yeah... since we don't accept "Because" as an answer... :)

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
Weltall, you make good points; but it isn't that simple. Loving someone is loving someone...I'm sure you love your god, and you love your mother as well. That's fine, but your religion commands you not simply to love, but to fall to your knees and pray. That's where I believe it turns unrealistic. Praying to show your love is one thing, that's called 'PRAYER'...the word 'WORSHIP' in turn is what christians must do to retain their status as a salvation-toting elite people. If god's love were so infinite, I don't think he'd contest people and send them to hell...even if that were satan's work, were god almight he could intervene.

Were do you get this Elite business from? Didnt Jesus get the rich to sell their possesions to help the unfortunate?Did he not say all are open in the eyes of god even the lame and the slow,Didnt jesus cure the blind and the give comfort to the meek.

Why do you have trouble with people worshiping god when people have no problem giving their lives to their nation and standing up and worshiping its amblems.

May I add I dont believe in hellfire and I maintain that it has no place in the bible and isnt a true christian doctrine.

As for divine intervention that day draws nearer when the devil will face judgement. Injustice will be no more.

Quote:Weltall, you make good points; but it isn't that simple. Loving someone is loving someone...I'm sure you love your god, and you love your mother as well. That's fine, but your religion commands you not simply to love, but to fall to your knees and pray. That's where I believe it turns unrealistic. Praying to show your love is one thing, that's called 'PRAYER'...the word 'WORSHIP' in turn is what christians must do to retain their status as a salvation-toting elite people. If god's love were so infinite, I don't think he'd contest people and send them to hell...even if that were satan's work, were god almight he could intervene.

Just so you know, not all Christians are Catholic. Nowhere in the bible does God demand worship. That's merely a Catholic thing, and there's a lot of things Catholics do that other Christians don't.

A common misconception, but don't judge us all by our worst denominator.

I've never seen why so many Protestants hate Catholics... they sure don't seem very different to me...

Cuz tehry all silleh bois n grrlz! lol :love:

Quote:Why must it be that way? We're God's children, and He is our Father. Thus, he's not looking for worship, per se. He just wants our love. Is it selfish for a person to have a child and want that child to love them? Is it because parents have inferiority complexes? And while the love between human parents and children is shared by family experiences, it's hard to play a game of catch with the Almighty. So, we pray to show our love for Him. He gave us life and intelligence, we give him a few simple prayers. Objectively I'd say it's us humans that get more out of it.

You mentioned hell before, and how you wouldn't be going because you love and believe in God. You also use the scenario of parents wanting love from their children...

Well, how about this scenario: while raising children, I think we can agree that a good parent should be understanding when their children go through those awkward stages in adolescent, with rapid emotional and physical changes, and sometimes feeling anger or hostility towards their parents. Well, why isn't this spooky invisible supreme being understanding enough for his own children being 'misguided', especially with how his supposed existence is distorted through different religions and cultures?

Not to mention that parents are tangible. I mean... how does 'god' justify letting certain people to suffer and leading others to the promised land simply for believing, based on paths that he apparently, heh, set for us? How could he create us and chastise us with, ahem, a pretty harsh punishment, simply for questioning his existence when he doesn't bother to show himself or speak to us directly, even individually? I never got a message from god, didn't get a phone call, didn't get a fax, didn't get an e-mail... so what concrete evidence to I have to base on his existence in the first place?

Quote:Originally posted by A Black Falcon
I've never seen why so many Protestants hate Catholics... they sure don't seem very different to me...

Because it's the Catholics that give the rest of us bad names, as you all can't differentiate! DUH.

Quote:Because it's the Catholics that give the rest of us bad names, as you all can't differentiate! DUH.

They'd say the same thing about you so I don't give that all that much credit... :)

*waves small Go Pope flag*

Hahaha.

Quote:Why do you have trouble with people worshiping god when people have no problem giving their lives to their nation and standing up and worshiping its amblems.

A very good question, with a very good answer...one's nation and one's people are tangible; they are definitely real. They surround us, and in a world where there is no god, all that one has is his identity; his nation. Fighting to pride, and one for's tangible nation is a worthy cause. Praying to an invisible diety is...well come on, just silly. Hundreds of religions, thousands of years...why are you so sure your's is the RIGHT one?

Quote:May I add I dont believe in hellfire and I maintain that it has no place in the bible and isnt a true christian doctrine.

That's good; you're at least a moderate. There is some rationalizing with you. Other Christians disagree. Even amongst themselves they argue and bicker; the Christian church has been subdivided so many ways, how can it be taken seriously.

Quote:As for divine intervention that day draws nearer when the devil will face judgement. Injustice will be no more.

Oh that Judgement Day already happened; kick ass movie...oh you weren't referring to T2...oh...I see...hmmm. Well, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that. God's taking his time with it isn't he.

Hehe take a look AT THIS!

Great picture... :)

Oh, and my favorite kind of real falcon (as opposed to the Legos...) is the Peregrine Falcon... its my favorite bird.

Oh, and Judgement Day is coming! We are in the End Times! I know it... I saw it on that PAX episode of that stupid show about "mysteries" or something... who cares that we've supposedly been in them for almost 2000 years now, they're here now, naturally!

Yes...at the turn of every millennium (as recently as the year 2000), the world is supposed to end. It's a good thing Christians are all wrong, or we'd all be dead...most of us in hell even.

The "millenium" isn't even the anniversary of anything! Jesus wasn't born in the year 1... he DIED that year!

Personally, I think the whole turn of the millennium means the end of the world thing is crap myself. One person said the year 2000 scares him because of all the zeroes at the end. Yeah, like the balance of nature is really able to detect the man-made numerical system.

And no, Jesus didn't die in the year 1. AD, contrary to popular belief, does not mean After Death. It means Anno Domini. I forgot what that means. And one big history book I read says Jesus was born in 4 BC and died in his 30's. We don't know much about years BC or early AD years, so the best any of us can do is estimate.

Anno Domini means 'In the Year of Our Lord". Ie after Jesus dies, I think.

And yes, 1 AD was supposed to be when he died but because of how the guy who invented the system wasn't exactly accurate it isn't correct... and of course because he'd never heard of 'zero' we've got a system where the zero year is actually the last year of the previous decade/century/millenia...

Oh, and I think Jesus was born in 20 or 30 something (no way for us to be sure of course... it could have been 4 BC, maybe...)...

Also, we know plenty about those years... from Roman records. They just didn't record any details that would have related to Jesus...

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
Yes...at the turn of every millennium (as recently as the year 2000), the world is supposed to end. It's a good thing Christians are all wrong, or we'd all be dead...most of us in hell even.

Millennism isnt a christian belief , I am disgusted you seem to think all christians are uneducated? The end of the world has no set date but a set of events to send it in motion.

I think the reason some fanatics (not all are even religous) believe the new year and the new centuries will result in doom is really a subconcious fear of change.

I Laughed at the folks who stocked up piles of toilet papper and food thinking they wouldnt be abled to get it the next day due to the new mellenium appocolispe.The idea the Y2k bug would make missle launchers fire nukes on their own is rediculous.Y2K bug almost didnt appear at all after new years day 2000.

The Y2K bug was very silly. People worried themselves half to death because their VCRs didn't contain the first two digits of the year.

If any Christian said the millennium would mark the end of the world, he must've been a religious fanatic. Osama bin Laden says that the United States is the great Satan and supporting us goes against Islamic teachings, but does it really? Hell no! In fact, Islam denounces killing as well as revenge. It makes no exceptions to either one.

I'm glad we're all agreed then.

Anno Domini does not mark the Death of Jesus, but rather an admittedly general estimate of His birth. When the Christian calendar was created in the year 525 by Dionysius Exiguus, 1 AD was the year Christ was born, his birthday was stated at the time to be December 23.

Quote: That's good; you're at least a moderate. There is some rationalizing with you. Other Christians disagree. Even amongst themselves they argue and bicker; the Christian church has been subdivided so many ways, how can it be taken seriously.

Maybe it can't, but Christians, regardless of their denomination, still believe in the teachings of Christ and God. The rules and regulations are the unfortunate result of human religion: it gets warped to suit the designs of certain people.

Two can play that game, Goron.

If the church is indeed God's representation on earth, why does he let it go to hell? Each religion and sect of Christianity is like a spoiled, angry child. They all want it there way, and the others are clearly wrong.

I'd love to be blindly led into a faith wherein I won't fear death...must be a nice, warm cozy shelter for you. Atheists have no safe harbor...but it matters not, since as we've touched upon again and again, we all go to the same place in the end.

I don't claim to know much about religion. But I believe A.D. started with 1 when Christ was born, and he lived until 32 A.D.

However, I'm no wealth of religious knowledge, so don't take what I say too seriously, but I'm sure this is correct.

I can't make any comment on the b/d of Christ as I don't know of it, but I WILL give props to Weltall for that zany, funny movie poster!!!

It is hilarious, but I'm surprised to hear you praising it, seeing as how you're depicted urinating on Burt Reynolds.

Not that any of us would decline the chance, but...

...it's too funny to hate. You know me, EM, I'm a peaceful Goron...make love, not hate baby.

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:jesus:

I agree, too funny to hate... though I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing in that picture...

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
If the church is indeed God's representation on earth, why does he let it go to hell? Each religion and sect of Christianity is like a spoiled, angry child. They all want it there way, and the others are clearly wrong.

I'd love to be blindly led into a faith wherein I won't fear death...must be a nice, warm cozy shelter for you. Atheists have no safe harbor...but it matters not, since as we've touched upon again and again, we all go to the same place in the end.

("Wow man lets go crazy and kill people as in the end it doesnt matter were all gonna die anyway!:hammer:")

Without some higher authority thats how retarded things would be, But atleast we have hope for the future.

All hail lord jesus
:jesus:

King of new isreal!

("Wow man lets go crazy and kill people as in the end it doesnt matter were all gonna die anyway!") Without some higher authority thats how retarded things would be, But atleast we have hope for the future.

...ok, we have a radicalist here, people. The breakdown of religion will not signal the breakdown of society. That's your crazy X-stian cult theory. We have higher authority in the government...they maintain control. You're just messed up...you think in a world without Christianity society would turn on itself. Look throughout the world and throughout history, times and places without X-stianity...they survive(d).

Quote:Originally posted by Darunia
[B]("Wow man lets go crazy and kill people as in the end it doesnt matter were all gonna die anyway!") Without some higher authority thats how retarded things would be, But atleast we have hope for the future.

...ok, we have a radicalist here, people. The breakdown of religion will not signal the breakdown of society. That's your crazy X-stian cult theory. We have higher authority in the government...they maintain control. You're just messed up...you think in a world without Christianity society would turn on itself. Look throughout the world and throughout history, times and places without X-stianity...they survive(d). [/B]

How dare you compare Gods kingdom to imperfect goverments!

How many people did hitler gas ?how many people did suddam and mislovic murder?

The U.S has had a pretty ugly history of intolerance with segregationist and corporate greed that tainted the U.S congress soul. In reality any goverment could turn ugly in the just the right enviroment conditions.

Can you also say in the light of recents events do you think that the U.N could truly bring order? If they are so disorderd themselves!

Isiah once said "man has dominated man to his injury!"

Your so clouded in arogance you dont even think of what you truly beleive in.

God promised a day when man would bend swords into plow shares , When death and evil will be no more.No other God has ever thought of the entire human race and offerd them a opportunity for world peace. All this Isiah and revelation.

Quote:How dare you compare Gods kingdom to imperfect goverments!

I have no idea why I'd compare something invented by people to something invented by people... can you help me here?

Quote:How many people did hitler gas ?how many people did suddam and mislovic murder?

And this has to do with what, now? Certainly nothing to do with how religious they were... plenty of evil dictators and the like have been...

Quote:The U.S has had a pretty ugly history of intolerance with segregationist and corporate greed that tainted the U.S congress soul. In reality any goverment could turn ugly in the just the right enviroment conditions.

Yes, we do have a history of intolerance.

And a lot of it is related to religion influencing people into it... and much of the rest is religious influenced people acting on what they consider their religious values...

Quote:Can you also say in the light of recents events do you think that the U.N could truly bring order? If they are so disorderd themselves!

They certainly can't as long as we don't want them to try. Though I don't see any connection between this and religion...

ASM: Avril Lavigne is a dork! My female friend I are writing a story where we kidnap and torture her.