11th August 2003, 6:12 PM
Hey, in chat you seemed to say that I hadn't said a bunch of things I said. So here are quotes.
Note my only mention of B-K in that response was to say that I don't have it and should get it eventually.
Here I say exactly when I got DK64 and exactly how much I have played B-K -- two more facts you seemed surprised by yesterday, yet I have clearly put in this thread in writing days earlier.
I won't bother quoting your responses because they were both about one line long and said nothing. As I said, like usual for the parts of my posts I put the most work into.
I go through batteries slowly and my parents buy them for me anyway. No issue there. :)
Look at the two big quotes of mine up there. You did respond before, but on a level that is very, very marginally above the 'didn't respond' category. And you did that in plenty of of other places too.
The fact you were surprised yesterday by the fact that I don't own B-K and that I haven't played it for more than a few hours, two things I'd said days earlier in this thread, says more than I ever needed to know about how you don't actually read my posts.
Fine then, we won't talk about B-K's graphics anymore until I get B-K. Which has been my goal for some time in this thread, but you just won't drop it...
So what exactly must I do to have all this incredible knowledge? Bore myself to the point where I'd rather watch paint drying playing all three games three or four times each? As I said, once through is just as good. And as far as talking about stuff like platform-jumping, unless a game takes a dramatic shift partway through, getting well into it can definitely suffice too...
Now with B-K I already admitted I am a bit sketchy, which is why in all my long comparison posts I do not talk about that game... but B-T? I've played that one plenty to see how it works.
I just find this idea that you need extensive knowledge of a lot of games in the genre, more than I have played (though I have played a fair number of games in this genre, which makes your arguement pretty bizarre...), strange.
I have beaten (the final boss of, not collected all items in) Mario 64, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Donkey Kong 64, Sonic Adventure 2, and Rayman 2... and also have, and have played a fair amount of, Mario Sunshine and Banjo-Tooie.
Oh, and I've played a few other demos/rentals, such as Croc (the PC version, not the PSX version)... now THAT is a 3d platformer with a lot of platform jumping. a REAL lot. Still, its a fun game... :)
Quote:B-T feels like DK64, but with one character. It doesn't feel like I do any more or less platforming, because you don't. DK64 had just as much platforming as B-T, its just split up some by how you have to do varying tasks as each of the five Kongs instead of doing most stuff as standard Banjo-Kazooie and just limited tasks as the other playable characters.
That is a gameplay difference that does differentiate them, for sure. But nowhere NEAR as dramatically as you make it sound.
And DK64 just doesn't have so much less platforming. That is simply untrue.
As for 3d platformers... I got kind of sick of them after getting three of them in around a year (Mario 64, DK64, Rocket). Oh, they were fun... but it got old, somewhat. So similar, and the idea of 'a small number of open worlds where you collect items' is okay but just not as good as more focused quest platformers, IMO.., That is why I loved Rayman 2 so much -- it was different! Rayman 2 is, IMO, the second best 3d platformer after Mario 64...
Now I'm having fun with B-T, probably, because its been quite a while since I played a 3d platformer...
Look. I didn't think DK64 was one of the best games on the N64. It did get somewhat dull at parts, and there were several levels I didn't like very much. They weren't bad, but I just wasn't that interested by them... but the game WAS fun enough to slowly make progress. Somewhat repetetive? Yeah. Do you spend a lot of time collecting? Well, sure, but you do that in every single game in the genre... DK64 was just different in that it has five characters so you need to go back over places more than usual. I didn't mind that, you clearly did. Difference of opinion, oh well...
As for Banjo-Kazooie, I really should buy that game... eventually...
Oh, and the PSP WILL have to deal with the major issues that its format brings up: battery life (it CAN'T be very good!), fragility (a disc-based media... yes, more fragile and easier to break...), maybe skipping (games, I bet, are harder to deal with that problem with than music is), and most importantly PRICE...
Note my only mention of B-K in that response was to say that I don't have it and should get it eventually.
Quote:Only in your own mind.
Oh, and no response to the first paragraph of that quote I had there (that starts 'As for 3d platformers...')? Huh... but you usually don't really respond in any length to the parts that I put the most work into.
Oh, and have you played Rocket? It was pretty good, even if it did get old before the end... 3d platformers based on item-collecting tend to do that... but I did beat the game (though without anywhere near all the tickets).
Also... I got DK64 at Christmas '99. Is that so different from you that you need to constantly say that I didn't have a N64 in 1996 or something? Sure its a bit different for me (I never bought a N64 game for more than $50, for example, and got the system for $100 with two controllers) but not THAT dramatic.
And its not like I wasn't informed, given that I read magazines and the internet...
I just haven't played much of B-K. Just a store demo once and several hours with the rom, which is why I won't compare the graphics -- roms don't look the same as the real thing, I know.
Its a pretty good game but I don't see how its so much better than DK64... maybe because to me its not...
Oh, and I really think its SO STUPID that you must keep saying I have low standards for games. It is just FALSE... I just have DIFFERENT ONES FROM YOU. That is DIFFERENT, not "I LIKE BAD GAMES"...
Here I say exactly when I got DK64 and exactly how much I have played B-K -- two more facts you seemed surprised by yesterday, yet I have clearly put in this thread in writing days earlier.
I won't bother quoting your responses because they were both about one line long and said nothing. As I said, like usual for the parts of my posts I put the most work into.
Quote:Well probably not "hundreds", but definitely well over a hundred dollars since the SP came out.
I go through batteries slowly and my parents buy them for me anyway. No issue there. :)
Quote:What points did I ignore? I replied to every single one of his points and then some. The only defense you ever have is saying that I don't respond to your points, which is a bold-faced lie. You are the one that chooses to ignore my points (like Sony having experience in the handheld market), and sometimes even change your own argument when you're losing.
Look at the two big quotes of mine up there. You did respond before, but on a level that is very, very marginally above the 'didn't respond' category. And you did that in plenty of of other places too.
The fact you were surprised yesterday by the fact that I don't own B-K and that I haven't played it for more than a few hours, two things I'd said days earlier in this thread, says more than I ever needed to know about how you don't actually read my posts.
Quote:Funny how you didn't mention that before, huh? And you claimed that BK's graphics were worse than DK64 even though you only played BK for just a few minutes.
Fine then, we won't talk about B-K's graphics anymore until I get B-K. Which has been my goal for some time in this thread, but you just won't drop it...
Quote:As far as you see you are correct, but that's not saying much. I have more experience with the games (and the genre as a whole), so I notice the differences between the Banjos and DK much easier than you do.
So what exactly must I do to have all this incredible knowledge? Bore myself to the point where I'd rather watch paint drying playing all three games three or four times each? As I said, once through is just as good. And as far as talking about stuff like platform-jumping, unless a game takes a dramatic shift partway through, getting well into it can definitely suffice too...
Now with B-K I already admitted I am a bit sketchy, which is why in all my long comparison posts I do not talk about that game... but B-T? I've played that one plenty to see how it works.
I just find this idea that you need extensive knowledge of a lot of games in the genre, more than I have played (though I have played a fair number of games in this genre, which makes your arguement pretty bizarre...), strange.
I have beaten (the final boss of, not collected all items in) Mario 64, Rocket: Robot on Wheels, Donkey Kong 64, Sonic Adventure 2, and Rayman 2... and also have, and have played a fair amount of, Mario Sunshine and Banjo-Tooie.
Oh, and I've played a few other demos/rentals, such as Croc (the PC version, not the PSX version)... now THAT is a 3d platformer with a lot of platform jumping. a REAL lot. Still, its a fun game... :)