30th July 2003, 1:19 PM
Quote:I've been into PC games since we got our first one in the beginning of 1992. And GB since getting it in christmas '94. So saying "I wasn't into gaming then" is just false. "I never played much SNES" is true, but that isn't what you said. And anyway... I also was reading Nintendo Power as far back as 1992. And some older back issues, since I mostly got it from the library (they still get it so I still read it there sometimes...). So I wasn't exactly ignorant of Nintendo gaming even years before I had any Nintendo systems...
So there goes that arguement.
Yeah there goes that argu-- oh wait, that means absolutely nothing! You played the PC and Gameboy back then--not exactly great racing platforms. All of the best racing games at the time were out for the arcades and consoles.
Quote:My first experience with Mario Kart was with PC Mario Kart clones Wacky Wheels and Skunny Kart... both clearly rip off Mario Kart and both are quite fun. I like them, especially Wacky Wheels. But just like Mario Kart they are racing games.
I am amazed that you are trying to say Mario Kart isn't a racing game (because that IS what you are saying by saying its as different as Gradius and Wing Commander -- Wing Commander and Gradius aren't in the same genre so by extrapolation you are saying that Mario Kart isn't a racing game... which is a totally insane statement...). IT IS.
YES, it did a few things new! I agree! IT did! BUT ADDING SOME NEW THINGS WHILE EXPANDING ON PREVIOUS THEMES DOESN'T CHANGE THE GENRE OF THE GAME!
It just makes it a unique-at-the-time racing game.
"racing platformer"? Gameplaywise it makes absolutely no sense. None. Mario Kart has nothing to do with platformers... except the fact that it looks like its set in Mario World. Setting it in Mario World doesn't mean that its a platformer, it means its a racing game with a Mario theme.
It plays like a R A C I N G game, not a platformer... the gameplay has nothing in common with platformers so I don't see where you get this arguement from.
What will you say to try to save your failed arguement now, that Gradius and Wing Commander are in the same genre?
I never said that Mario Kart isn't in the same genre as other racing games, dummy. I said that it revolutionized the genre like Mario Bros. did to platformers (well not quite that much, but still). Gradius and Wing Commander are both space shooters so they belong to the same genre. They are just in different sub-genres. Gran Turismo is a racing sim (like WC is a space sim), and Mario Kart is a cart racer (would you call it a racing sim? I sure hope not!), a completely different sub-genre. Your inability to see the major differences between Mario Kart and Gran Turismo is very sad. And then you try to downplay Mario Kart's significance because it's been copied by just about every single racing game that came after it? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!
Quote:If 5's up to 7's means 'panned' and 'hated so much by most in the gaming community' means 'by OB1' then yes. I'd say 'mediocre reviews' myself, since that's a more accurate term...
And you'd have to show me proof that its "hated by the gaming community", because I've never seen any. That's because its not. It might be thought of as a somewhat mediocre series, but 'hated'? No, way too strong term there. "Very simple to the point of possibly too simple, and not original" sounds closer to what reviews say... they do not say "wow these games stink!" At least not usually.
And anyway its not like I'm the only person who likes it, as GR prooves.
Gamespot Cruisn Exotica review... its a 5.8, but by reading the review I see that its exactly the kind of thing I'd like.
http://www.gamespot.com/n64/driving...ica/review.html
Want proof? Here you go!
IGN gave Cruis'n USA a 4.0, CVG (Britain's best multiplatform mag) gave it a 1/5, Nintendojo gave it a 4/10, etc.
The average score of Cruis'n USA is 47.8%, Cruis'n World a 59.0% and Cruis'n Exotica a 56.7%. That's pretty crappy.