30th July 2003, 1:03 PM
Quote:Wipeout is F-Zero with bad, floaty controls, that's it. Mario Kart revolutionized the genre, WO did not.
I didn't say it revolutionized the genre (I said it didn't), but its different enough from what came before and a lot of fun... at least from XL on its fun, I think the first one isn't quite as good.
Quote:Oh please, now you're trying to compare RC Pro Am to Mario Kart?? I guess you don't consider Mario Bros. innovative because Pitfall was actually the first platformer. It has a few similarties with that game, but almost everything it did was completely new and innovative. Mario Kart is no different.
Oh, Mario Kart did new things. But nowhere near enough to create a new genre.
As for SMB... no, it didn't create the platformer genre, Pitfall did. But it did totally revolutionize that genre so much that it might as well have created it... Mario Kart doesn't come anywhere near the standard needed to say its a different genre. As for it revolutionizing the racing genre... that's a more reasonable statement. It did have a big impact. Not as big as you're saying, but it did have a big impact.
And I mention RC Pro-Am because its a racing game with weapons pickups... or how about SpyHunter?
Quote:But that's not what you originally said. Now you're changing your stance because you are losing.
*Note to self: never joke with OB1 because he'll never accept that you were joking*
I WAS ANNOYED AT YOUR ABSOLUTE REFUSAL TO ACCEPT THAT CRUIS'N COULD BE CONSIDERED GOOD BY SOME PEOPLE SO I MADE AN INTENTIONALLY DUMB COMMENT!!!
Its the truth, no matter if you accept it or not.
Quote:Rad Racer (which Cruisin' tries to copy) is a very simple NES racer yet it's infinitely more challenging and fun than any of the Cruisin' games. Outrun is king of the straight-forward 2D racer, and it blows Cruisin' out of the water. There's simply no comparison there.
I have heard that Cruis'n is quite similar to Rad Racer in style before... but haven't played Rad Racer, so I can't make a comparison.
Oh, and Outrun is a great game, I agree.
Quote:Wow, is there any games subject that you're not completely clueless about? Mario Golf is a great, fun golf game with Mario characters, but it was not revolutionary. Mario Kart was!
Could you for once read what I say without twisting my words into what I don't mean?
When it came out, yeah, Mario Kart did have a much bigger impact to its genre than Mario Golf... that is true.
But I do think you somewhat overrate the game's impact on the whole racing genre. Clearly it created the kart-racing subgenre, but did it revolutionize the rest of the racing genre? Not from what I can see... you can say all weaponsbased racers copy it but I see no proof of that. There are enough weaponsbased racing games from before Mario Kart to make it reasonable to say that while they might have taken some inspiration from Mario Kart the weapons would have been about the same had Mario Kart not happened.
As for Mario Golf, I really shouldn't say anything because I've never played it... and have only played demos of a few PC golf games.
Oh, except to say that I saw a TV ad for Mario Golf yesterday. It was pretty funny... :)