24th February 2003, 3:48 PM
Ahh... good old OB1 -- only replying to stuff he has a answer for and ignoring the rest...
I gather you've never heard of Fallout 1 or 2, Lionheart, or Arcanum? They are great RPGs in unorthodox settings... Fallout is postapocalyptic, Lionheart is in a alternate history setting (the real middle ages, but with magic... so its got real historical figures in it and some kind of other races, but not the standard fantasy ones as far as I know), and Arcanum is a typical fantasy world... but in the Industrial Age, not the middle ages, and industrialization and machines are competing with magic... I haven't played it so I don't know the details, but its a interesting setting.
Still, I love classic fanasy settings at least as much...
I just don't see how this is the first ever cartoon game. It isn't. It is a well done cartoon game, but is HARDLY the first cartoon-styled game... I guess something is blinding you from seeing that... selective memory or something? Or maybe a different definition of 'cartoon game' than everone else here uses... I don't see any other way you can defend your position... since so many games over the years have used cartoonish graphics and let them influence the gameplay, I just can't see how it is innovative. Better? Improved them (improved in their eyes, I mean...) with the use of cel-shading? Yes... but innovative? No. Just improvements over ideas already around for years. That isn't innovation.
Rayman 2 wasn't cel-shaded, for example, but it did have great cartoonish graphics...
Oh, and I never said Torment had good quality CG cutscenes... just great gameplay and story... :)
It makes sense to me and doesn't seem THAT confusing...
Why not? Can you explain that?
I don't see it because it couldn't be farther from the truth...
I gather you've never heard of Fallout 1 or 2, Lionheart, or Arcanum? They are great RPGs in unorthodox settings... Fallout is postapocalyptic, Lionheart is in a alternate history setting (the real middle ages, but with magic... so its got real historical figures in it and some kind of other races, but not the standard fantasy ones as far as I know), and Arcanum is a typical fantasy world... but in the Industrial Age, not the middle ages, and industrialization and machines are competing with magic... I haven't played it so I don't know the details, but its a interesting setting.
Still, I love classic fanasy settings at least as much...
I just don't see how this is the first ever cartoon game. It isn't. It is a well done cartoon game, but is HARDLY the first cartoon-styled game... I guess something is blinding you from seeing that... selective memory or something? Or maybe a different definition of 'cartoon game' than everone else here uses... I don't see any other way you can defend your position... since so many games over the years have used cartoonish graphics and let them influence the gameplay, I just can't see how it is innovative. Better? Improved them (improved in their eyes, I mean...) with the use of cel-shading? Yes... but innovative? No. Just improvements over ideas already around for years. That isn't innovation.
Rayman 2 wasn't cel-shaded, for example, but it did have great cartoonish graphics...
Oh, and I never said Torment had good quality CG cutscenes... just great gameplay and story... :)
Quote:Read that paragraph again. I don't think it gets any more convoluted than that.
It makes sense to me and doesn't seem THAT confusing...
Quote:That doesn't matter.
Why not? Can you explain that?
Quote:The D&D thing is terribly overused in the PC gaming world. I can't believe you don't see that.
I don't see it because it couldn't be farther from the truth...