30th July 2003, 11:47 AM
Quote:F-Zero is very different from Gran Turismo and Mario Kart is very different from both of them. TIE Fighter and all of those other space sims are very much alike, true, but that's because there's very little innovation in the space sim genre. Mario Kart is as much different from other car racing games as Gradius is from Wing Commander.
With Mario Kart it's not just "racing with weapons" as you so ignorantly put it, it's racing around crazy tracks with the kinds of power-ups that you'd see in a Mario game. It's essentially a car platformer, and that is very different from the likes of Outrun and GT.
Car platformer? Never heard it called that and don't think it makes any sense whatsoever. It is a racing game with karts and weapons... nothing more.
Yes, you have Mario-ish tracks. So? Every game has a threme... and it makes it stand out but doesn't make it unique. Its not unique anymore...
I haven't played the original Mario Kart much at all, really... I never was talking about Super Mario Kart... just the series in general, mostly MK64 because that's the one I know.
Yes, it (the series) has weapons. And when the first Mario Kart came out it was a small change from what had gone before and was nice. But the weapons and Mario-theme tracks don't make it so unique, any more than any other racing game...
Saying Mario Kart is to Outrun as Gradius is to Wing Commander makes absolutely no sense. its more like what Gradius is to Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth.
Different gameplay systems with the same underlying philosophy.
I see no possible way that anyone could ever say that Mario Kart and games like Cruisn or Outrun are in different genres like Gradius and Wing Commander... its totally insane...
Quote:Says the guy who likes the atrocious Cruisin' series and dozens of other terrible racing games.
You are letting your hatred color the objective viewpoint that while you hate that game (or, as GR points out, Serious Sam) they aren't actually bad games -- they are just games in a style you dislike.
There is a critical difference that you refuse to acknowledge. CRITICAL.
*waits to see OB1 ignore this difference and again say "If I hate it it must be bad and terrible and anyone who likes it is a complete moron!" like he always does*
Sure they aren't super deep or anything, but is that REALLY always necessary? What exactly is wrong with 'turn off your brain' games, like simple racing games, shooters, or 2d scrolling shooters like Star Soldier?
Quote:Of course you've never thought of that, you're ABF. Mario Kart has a perfect balance of weapons and power-ups. The power-ups are actually more important than the weapons themselves, and no other racing game did that before MK. Wipeout is F-Zero with Mario Kart's weapons/power-ups concept.
But Wipeout plays very different from any games it takes ideas from... its not completely original sure but not really derivitive. Wipeout plays quite different from those games... of course most to all games aren't truly new, they just improve nicely on older ideas. Wipeout did that. So did Mario Kart.
As for weapons. IT WASN'T THE FIRST WITH WEAPONS. IT WASN'T THE FIRST WITH POWEUPS ON THE TRACK. It might have had more variety of pickups than games before it, but the idea of weapons on the track was far from new.
Go play, for example, the RC Pro-Am games... there are missile (straight, not homing) and mine pickups in Super RC Pro-Am for GB... more, I believe, in RC Pro-Am 2 for NES...
Quote:Yes you were, but you're losing ground so you're changing your argument.
Very sorry to break up your whole case, but it was a joke. Obviously it has sufficient differences from the SNES games that you could dislike one and not the other.
Quote:I love many of those old 2D racers and the Cruisin' games are nothing compared to them. Those games took actual skill to play, while Cruisin' is the easiest piece of crap I've ever suffered through.
I think you both are remembering those games as being more challenging than they were and haven't played much Cruisn'. Because there is no other way to justify that comment.
Quote:That was the point I was trying to get across when we were still talking about Mario Golf...
Unlike Mario Kart vs. other racing games, Mario Golf vs other golf games does appear to have something of a real difference. Not so much that its not still golf, of course, though.