26th January 2006, 3:51 PM
Hahaha and we could have be having the same conversation about giant squid the day before it was found, or a conversation about chimpanzees with gorilla-like features the day before they were found, and everyone would dimiss them as science fiction. Even though, atleast in the case of the giant squid, it was written about for thousands of years, depicted in drawings, paintings, maps, mentioned in sailor's songs, etc.
We as a mentality cant stand the thought of finding something as huge as a new animal and we have to see it documented by many people all at once on national television with experts and cross-reference all bombarding us to get in to our heads that we found something new. It's our inability to cope as a human being.
I actually saw a UFO, now you can think what ever you want (as can I) but it was an object that seemed to be extremely high up and was capable of zig zag manuevers, even at one point moving in the opposite direction with no loss in speed. I live in Florida (NASA, air force bases, etc) and I wanted to see if I could find a good comparible. But there are no missles that could move that way, nor are there any craft. Even harrier jets or helicopters have an immense loss in speed as the enertia shifts.
Eventually i came to two conclusions, it was either a meteorite 'glowing' from entry and my percieved zig-zag patterns and its opposite movements with the same speed could have because I was looking at it from such an odd angle as it litteraly fell in to earth. The problem with this theory is that the meteorite never broke apart, it actually traveled from one horizon to the other and by its end, picked up considerable speed and vanished over the horizon. There were also no reports of a meteorite touching down. My second theory is even more simple, an alien or man made craft that was either exploring the area or being tested (respectively).
I know all about the light anomalies and i've documented them all, this one took on a 'ball-lightening' "Foosball" form, however there were no planes around (or other objects creating static electricty).
While I watched it, I called a friend a few miles away and he was able to see it as well, so I knew that it wasn't something floating a few feet above me and my eyes were playing tricks on me. I had him describe its movements as I watched, they matched perfectly.
No matter what I did to study the event or ground it in known reality I came up short. My dad found an article in a news paper about a weather balloon that was released around Miami a few months before I saw the object. Using the principal as the meteorite it was plausible that what I saw was a balloon traveling up that would create crazy looking zig zags and reverse movements with no loss in speed when viewed from the ground (as its moving in 3-D). The theory matched up, so i was content with it being a weather balloon.
But looking at the article, it said that the balloon was now somewhere over the pacific (can you say Chinese spy balloon?) and could travel the air at an incredible rate. It was released 3 months before I saw the object which put it in a time frame where it should have been somewhere around Nevada. not just a couple hundred miles from its launch location (I was in Tampa at the time, a 3 to 4 hour drive to Miami).
So I'm forced back in to the first two major theories. After all, I saw something, there was an actual object in the sky.
Now lets look at bigfoot. People claim to see him, some even say that they were scared and some even called the cops to come out and investigate around their house because a large ape-like animal was outside going through the trash.
Now take a step back for a moment. Let's look at aliens and UFO sightings; They happen everywhere. Whether its a real sighting, an illusion, a classified test or a made up story, the sightings come in from all over the world. There's no 'concentrated' area where people claim to have seen the most UFO. Now, looking at our current mythology such as Champ, Pango-Pango, Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot, Abominable Snowman, La Chupracabre, etc we can see condensed, concentrated sightings. In each of these cases, it happens within a particular area.
There is no doubt that people enjoy lying to have fun. But what about the pictures? the film? Some can be evaluated to be found as hoaxes by top experts. But these top experts cannot dissprove all of them.
What's even more interesting, is that before a picture is taken (hoax or not) before someone grabs a video camera (again, hoax or not), people who claim to have seen it, describe it the same way and sometimes with details that are conducive to real life panic. For example people who claim to have seen bigfoot and give you a fully detailed story is questionable, but the people who ran away only getting glipses of it and painting a picture of what serious fields of study refer to as a North American ape, give a much more realistic picture. The same panic found in campers who are suddenly faced with a bear or large cat, wolves, etc. In some cases, a camper would spot a bear and when he would report it, the preserve would tell him that there ARE NO BEARS in that area, essentially calling him a liar. It would be years later that the park would get more reports of bears and still not find any. The park even has signs that say "Beware bears' with no official bear population because they cant be documented.
We're not only talking about the north west forests of America in to Canada, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of sightings in that area by as many people. To say that each one of these is made up or false is retarded. After all, SOMETHING was there, they saw some kind of ape-like animal.
You say you want proof but there's really no such thing until YOU see it, in front of you. People like you two probably watched the uncovering of the giant squid waiting for it to be a hoax, since in reality, it would be very easy to make something look like a realistic giant dead squid.
The lochness monster, Pango Pango, Champ, these could all be the product of boa-sized sea snakes or eels, marine mammals such as whales or dolphins that found a way in to the lake through underground caverns, perhaps even a new species of whale, like a 'Cave whale'. But the fact remains that SOMETHING is there that resembles at least in part, the descriptions presented by the thousands of witnesses.
This is not a mass of an entire town claiming to see the virgin mary in the sky or anything like that, because these are documented pictures and film over years and years of a time frame Some from normal people on vacation, some from self-touted experts, some even from news crews, helicopter pilots, boat captains, the list goes on and on.
Chupracabre is most likely a dog, coytote, or some similar animal that has been burned or severely wounded making its appearance groteque, but it doesnt change the fact that people witness some kind of monster killing off their chickens and tealing them in the night. Sometimes even being attacked themselves by it.
With bigfoot, this is not a magical animal, it has no special powers, it doesn't act like Harry from the Henderson family (though it could, nothing unproven is factually disproven), we are simply talking about the idea of a type of ape in north western territories that has not been captured or found dead or studied by man. There's nothing unbelievable about that, just as there was nothing unbelievable about the giant squid before it was 'proven' to the doubting Thomas's (you guys) who could stick their hand in its wounds and see it for themselves.
There are apes all over the planet, and witnesses suggest that there is an ape in the north-west forests in America. That's it.
One of my favorite examples of how idiotic people can be is the idea that pigeons do not lay eggs and give live births to an infant that already has the features of an adult pigeon (there is no bird on earth that does this even Nidifugous, while being able to run immeadiately, do not have flight at birth and look like infants). When the rumor became really popular, news reporters went around to local zoologists asking them for pictures of baby pigeons. I remember seeing an interview with a guy who raises pigeons and said "honestly, I watch them break out of the egg and i've seen them as babies, but i have no pictures of it." and had to show the news crew the actual pigeon nests, with the actual eggs, and the actual infant pigeons.
It was probably one of the most stupiderest moments of human history I had the misfortune to witness.
We as a mentality cant stand the thought of finding something as huge as a new animal and we have to see it documented by many people all at once on national television with experts and cross-reference all bombarding us to get in to our heads that we found something new. It's our inability to cope as a human being.
I actually saw a UFO, now you can think what ever you want (as can I) but it was an object that seemed to be extremely high up and was capable of zig zag manuevers, even at one point moving in the opposite direction with no loss in speed. I live in Florida (NASA, air force bases, etc) and I wanted to see if I could find a good comparible. But there are no missles that could move that way, nor are there any craft. Even harrier jets or helicopters have an immense loss in speed as the enertia shifts.
Eventually i came to two conclusions, it was either a meteorite 'glowing' from entry and my percieved zig-zag patterns and its opposite movements with the same speed could have because I was looking at it from such an odd angle as it litteraly fell in to earth. The problem with this theory is that the meteorite never broke apart, it actually traveled from one horizon to the other and by its end, picked up considerable speed and vanished over the horizon. There were also no reports of a meteorite touching down. My second theory is even more simple, an alien or man made craft that was either exploring the area or being tested (respectively).
I know all about the light anomalies and i've documented them all, this one took on a 'ball-lightening' "Foosball" form, however there were no planes around (or other objects creating static electricty).
While I watched it, I called a friend a few miles away and he was able to see it as well, so I knew that it wasn't something floating a few feet above me and my eyes were playing tricks on me. I had him describe its movements as I watched, they matched perfectly.
No matter what I did to study the event or ground it in known reality I came up short. My dad found an article in a news paper about a weather balloon that was released around Miami a few months before I saw the object. Using the principal as the meteorite it was plausible that what I saw was a balloon traveling up that would create crazy looking zig zags and reverse movements with no loss in speed when viewed from the ground (as its moving in 3-D). The theory matched up, so i was content with it being a weather balloon.
But looking at the article, it said that the balloon was now somewhere over the pacific (can you say Chinese spy balloon?) and could travel the air at an incredible rate. It was released 3 months before I saw the object which put it in a time frame where it should have been somewhere around Nevada. not just a couple hundred miles from its launch location (I was in Tampa at the time, a 3 to 4 hour drive to Miami).
So I'm forced back in to the first two major theories. After all, I saw something, there was an actual object in the sky.
Now lets look at bigfoot. People claim to see him, some even say that they were scared and some even called the cops to come out and investigate around their house because a large ape-like animal was outside going through the trash.
Now take a step back for a moment. Let's look at aliens and UFO sightings; They happen everywhere. Whether its a real sighting, an illusion, a classified test or a made up story, the sightings come in from all over the world. There's no 'concentrated' area where people claim to have seen the most UFO. Now, looking at our current mythology such as Champ, Pango-Pango, Loch Ness Monster, Big Foot, Abominable Snowman, La Chupracabre, etc we can see condensed, concentrated sightings. In each of these cases, it happens within a particular area.
There is no doubt that people enjoy lying to have fun. But what about the pictures? the film? Some can be evaluated to be found as hoaxes by top experts. But these top experts cannot dissprove all of them.
What's even more interesting, is that before a picture is taken (hoax or not) before someone grabs a video camera (again, hoax or not), people who claim to have seen it, describe it the same way and sometimes with details that are conducive to real life panic. For example people who claim to have seen bigfoot and give you a fully detailed story is questionable, but the people who ran away only getting glipses of it and painting a picture of what serious fields of study refer to as a North American ape, give a much more realistic picture. The same panic found in campers who are suddenly faced with a bear or large cat, wolves, etc. In some cases, a camper would spot a bear and when he would report it, the preserve would tell him that there ARE NO BEARS in that area, essentially calling him a liar. It would be years later that the park would get more reports of bears and still not find any. The park even has signs that say "Beware bears' with no official bear population because they cant be documented.
We're not only talking about the north west forests of America in to Canada, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of sightings in that area by as many people. To say that each one of these is made up or false is retarded. After all, SOMETHING was there, they saw some kind of ape-like animal.
You say you want proof but there's really no such thing until YOU see it, in front of you. People like you two probably watched the uncovering of the giant squid waiting for it to be a hoax, since in reality, it would be very easy to make something look like a realistic giant dead squid.
The lochness monster, Pango Pango, Champ, these could all be the product of boa-sized sea snakes or eels, marine mammals such as whales or dolphins that found a way in to the lake through underground caverns, perhaps even a new species of whale, like a 'Cave whale'. But the fact remains that SOMETHING is there that resembles at least in part, the descriptions presented by the thousands of witnesses.
This is not a mass of an entire town claiming to see the virgin mary in the sky or anything like that, because these are documented pictures and film over years and years of a time frame Some from normal people on vacation, some from self-touted experts, some even from news crews, helicopter pilots, boat captains, the list goes on and on.
Chupracabre is most likely a dog, coytote, or some similar animal that has been burned or severely wounded making its appearance groteque, but it doesnt change the fact that people witness some kind of monster killing off their chickens and tealing them in the night. Sometimes even being attacked themselves by it.
With bigfoot, this is not a magical animal, it has no special powers, it doesn't act like Harry from the Henderson family (though it could, nothing unproven is factually disproven), we are simply talking about the idea of a type of ape in north western territories that has not been captured or found dead or studied by man. There's nothing unbelievable about that, just as there was nothing unbelievable about the giant squid before it was 'proven' to the doubting Thomas's (you guys) who could stick their hand in its wounds and see it for themselves.
There are apes all over the planet, and witnesses suggest that there is an ape in the north-west forests in America. That's it.
One of my favorite examples of how idiotic people can be is the idea that pigeons do not lay eggs and give live births to an infant that already has the features of an adult pigeon (there is no bird on earth that does this even Nidifugous, while being able to run immeadiately, do not have flight at birth and look like infants). When the rumor became really popular, news reporters went around to local zoologists asking them for pictures of baby pigeons. I remember seeing an interview with a guy who raises pigeons and said "honestly, I watch them break out of the egg and i've seen them as babies, but i have no pictures of it." and had to show the news crew the actual pigeon nests, with the actual eggs, and the actual infant pigeons.
It was probably one of the most stupiderest moments of human history I had the misfortune to witness.