26th September 2005, 3:16 PM
Ryan's doing exactly what OB1 did, ignore valid points, look for ways to stretch and bend the truth and push his own opinions as fact.
The facts are here and again, reagrdless of your opinion Ryan, everyone on Earth knows that Nintendo invented the successful d-pad and Intellivision invented the failed disk.
All you're doing is saying the Intellivision is better because you owned that system first. I owned a Commodore 64 first, then I had an Atari 2600 and an Intellivision, then I had NES. I was playing video games months after I learned to walk and even though I owned multiple systems before NES I understood that there is a clear winner when I first hooked up my NES.
Nothing will ever change the fact that Nintendo owns the patent on the cross shaped 8 direction d-Pad. Which is factually an innovative design that has set itself as an industry standard making all other forms of digital input devices for movement in video games obsolete unless the game called specifically for a radical design, such as a light gun. Look up innovative in the dictionary, that's what Nintendo did. They were the first company to design a d-pad. The Intellivision is not a d-pad because it doesn't even have directions on it; it's a blank disk with 16 points of reference. The definition of directional pad is a pad with directions on it with 8 points of reference. Which Nintendo owns the patent on. Intellivision does not.
The d-pad is a not a modernization, it is a radically different design that, as you said, is 'different under neath'. It performs the same task, but it's easier for the player, easier for the developer, cheaper to make and just plain better.
What controller had you use your thumbs? I'm so glad you walked in to this one. Every single controller ever made for home or arcade, some even used arrow keys on the number pad for controlling your character while the stick was used for aiming. All the way back to Asteroids and Pong, you used your thumbs and fingers to control the game through dials and push buttons. Using a thumb JUST for directions, was done on multiple games on multiple systems usually through the keypad before Intellivision, the first that did it was the first home console ever designed, the Channel F which had large thumb sticks that could also be rotated. The Arcadia 2001 also used thumb sticks, but i'm unsure of it's release on the market.
One of the other systems that let you control with your thumbs (on a keypad) was the Nintendo 6 in 1 which came out before Intellivision I might add. But the biggest contender for thumb-control was the Odyssey and Odyssey II which used tiny sticks that you controlled with your thumb, it came out years before the Intellivision. They are the grandfather's of the d-pad, not the Intellivision.
Again: The Intellivision control disk had no actual directions on it and 16 points of reference, not 8 as you would find on a d-pad from Nintendo, Sega, Sony, Microsoft, etc. The Intellivision control disk is not a d-pad, it is a failed input device. Nintendo created the D-Pad. Intellivision did not create the d-pad. They were close, but no where near the real deal.
Since you already made a claim that all controllers are spin-offs and modernizations of the original joysticks and rollerballs, then you have successfully made it a point to destroy both our arguments. I know you dont beleive that all controllers are remakes of joysticks and rollerballs, but I just wanted to point out how rediculous you're sounding.
You thought the Intellivision was the first console to use a controller with an input that you controlled with your thumb. But there are atleast 3 systems that did it before Intellivision, most note worthy being the Odyssey.
This is the way the industry is: You have a time line that begins in 1958 with Tennis for Two created by a bored Nuclear Physicist. The formula for his hardware would continue on until the great game's industry crash which was caused by Atari, Intellivision and others between 79 and 83 while Japan never sees the crash. Why didn't Japan have a crash? Because they had Nintendo which launched there in late 1980. In 1983/84 Nintendo tests the NES in california and New York in what was then a dead industry. Video game systems could be bought new for under 10 bucks, games went for a dollar or less. Almost every game company was out of business... and the NES was $150 bucks with 50 dollars a pop for games, it succeeded in that dead market. By the end of 1984 Nintendo had launched the NES in Japan and America with its eyes on Europe.
Suddenly, all those companies wanted to get back on the video game track. Companies like Mattel could keep their Intellivision line a float because of the resurgance of the market that was dead, not dying, but completely dead until Nintendo released the NES here.
With it's 8 direction D-Pad.
That it has a patent for.
And is titled an innovative revolution for home gaming.
And single handedly, completely recreates the industry.
And then people like you are born in to this world, people who only know what's in front of their face and dont bother to actually read in to anything, and they make claims that Nintendo sucks or Nintendo was never any good all because they're scared about their obvious tendencies to have feelings of a sexual nature towards the same sex. They claim "Master System is better!"
Nintendo wins.
"Genesis!"
Nintendo wins.
They claim "The turbo grafix is better!"
IT DIES
"Jaguar! NEC! one of those other systems no one cares about!"
DEAD
"Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, Dreamcast!"
MASS SUICIDE
"The Playstation is better!"
Oh yeah, a system from a company that makes disposable walkmans, blenders, TV's, vibrating chairs, headphones and moist wipes releases a home console for 400 bucks that is basically a SNES with a SFX chip capable of a higher polygon count that, not unlike their other devices, fails to continue working after 6 months of use. All because people like YOU, played FF7 and thought "TEE HEE they put the word "shit" in a video game! that means they're better! *SMALL DICK*" But no matter what you think, or say, or do, and no matter how hard you try, Nintendo will always be the best because of the fact that they are the only company that actually cares about the video game industry because that's ALL they DO and long after Sony stops making video game systems i'll be playing on my Nintendo while I watch you wait your turn to play, jackass.
:D
The facts are here and again, reagrdless of your opinion Ryan, everyone on Earth knows that Nintendo invented the successful d-pad and Intellivision invented the failed disk.
All you're doing is saying the Intellivision is better because you owned that system first. I owned a Commodore 64 first, then I had an Atari 2600 and an Intellivision, then I had NES. I was playing video games months after I learned to walk and even though I owned multiple systems before NES I understood that there is a clear winner when I first hooked up my NES.
Nothing will ever change the fact that Nintendo owns the patent on the cross shaped 8 direction d-Pad. Which is factually an innovative design that has set itself as an industry standard making all other forms of digital input devices for movement in video games obsolete unless the game called specifically for a radical design, such as a light gun. Look up innovative in the dictionary, that's what Nintendo did. They were the first company to design a d-pad. The Intellivision is not a d-pad because it doesn't even have directions on it; it's a blank disk with 16 points of reference. The definition of directional pad is a pad with directions on it with 8 points of reference. Which Nintendo owns the patent on. Intellivision does not.
The d-pad is a not a modernization, it is a radically different design that, as you said, is 'different under neath'. It performs the same task, but it's easier for the player, easier for the developer, cheaper to make and just plain better.
What controller had you use your thumbs? I'm so glad you walked in to this one. Every single controller ever made for home or arcade, some even used arrow keys on the number pad for controlling your character while the stick was used for aiming. All the way back to Asteroids and Pong, you used your thumbs and fingers to control the game through dials and push buttons. Using a thumb JUST for directions, was done on multiple games on multiple systems usually through the keypad before Intellivision, the first that did it was the first home console ever designed, the Channel F which had large thumb sticks that could also be rotated. The Arcadia 2001 also used thumb sticks, but i'm unsure of it's release on the market.
One of the other systems that let you control with your thumbs (on a keypad) was the Nintendo 6 in 1 which came out before Intellivision I might add. But the biggest contender for thumb-control was the Odyssey and Odyssey II which used tiny sticks that you controlled with your thumb, it came out years before the Intellivision. They are the grandfather's of the d-pad, not the Intellivision.
Again: The Intellivision control disk had no actual directions on it and 16 points of reference, not 8 as you would find on a d-pad from Nintendo, Sega, Sony, Microsoft, etc. The Intellivision control disk is not a d-pad, it is a failed input device. Nintendo created the D-Pad. Intellivision did not create the d-pad. They were close, but no where near the real deal.
Since you already made a claim that all controllers are spin-offs and modernizations of the original joysticks and rollerballs, then you have successfully made it a point to destroy both our arguments. I know you dont beleive that all controllers are remakes of joysticks and rollerballs, but I just wanted to point out how rediculous you're sounding.
You thought the Intellivision was the first console to use a controller with an input that you controlled with your thumb. But there are atleast 3 systems that did it before Intellivision, most note worthy being the Odyssey.
This is the way the industry is: You have a time line that begins in 1958 with Tennis for Two created by a bored Nuclear Physicist. The formula for his hardware would continue on until the great game's industry crash which was caused by Atari, Intellivision and others between 79 and 83 while Japan never sees the crash. Why didn't Japan have a crash? Because they had Nintendo which launched there in late 1980. In 1983/84 Nintendo tests the NES in california and New York in what was then a dead industry. Video game systems could be bought new for under 10 bucks, games went for a dollar or less. Almost every game company was out of business... and the NES was $150 bucks with 50 dollars a pop for games, it succeeded in that dead market. By the end of 1984 Nintendo had launched the NES in Japan and America with its eyes on Europe.
Suddenly, all those companies wanted to get back on the video game track. Companies like Mattel could keep their Intellivision line a float because of the resurgance of the market that was dead, not dying, but completely dead until Nintendo released the NES here.
With it's 8 direction D-Pad.
That it has a patent for.
And is titled an innovative revolution for home gaming.
And single handedly, completely recreates the industry.
And then people like you are born in to this world, people who only know what's in front of their face and dont bother to actually read in to anything, and they make claims that Nintendo sucks or Nintendo was never any good all because they're scared about their obvious tendencies to have feelings of a sexual nature towards the same sex. They claim "Master System is better!"
Nintendo wins.
"Genesis!"
Nintendo wins.
They claim "The turbo grafix is better!"
IT DIES
"Jaguar! NEC! one of those other systems no one cares about!"
DEAD
"Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, Dreamcast!"
MASS SUICIDE
"The Playstation is better!"
Oh yeah, a system from a company that makes disposable walkmans, blenders, TV's, vibrating chairs, headphones and moist wipes releases a home console for 400 bucks that is basically a SNES with a SFX chip capable of a higher polygon count that, not unlike their other devices, fails to continue working after 6 months of use. All because people like YOU, played FF7 and thought "TEE HEE they put the word "shit" in a video game! that means they're better! *SMALL DICK*" But no matter what you think, or say, or do, and no matter how hard you try, Nintendo will always be the best because of the fact that they are the only company that actually cares about the video game industry because that's ALL they DO and long after Sony stops making video game systems i'll be playing on my Nintendo while I watch you wait your turn to play, jackass.
:D