24th July 2005, 4:46 PM
Quote:Pulling out bad quotes from a religious text proves absolutely nothing. Do you have any idea how many things you could drag out of the Bible that are pretty horrible? It's all about the interpretation and which parts the religious group in question decides to selectively read...
Yes! I do know ABF ! The same site I posted "skeptics anonted" does a lashing of the bible as well , Yah I know Deuteronomy and leviticus are shit and especially that "yahweh" is not the loving merciful "just" father he claims to be all the time , But guest what the quran was plagairised taken straight from those torah books! Allah is a knock off 10x of the biblical angry Yahweh of the Torah of the bible mixed with the pagan and "Talmud" crap which is even worse then the Torah since the Talmud permits pediphilia and wife rape & beatings murdering of gentile non jews unbelievers.
How much research and knowledge of Islam do you know? Have you met former Muslims? Read the quran, Studied Islamic and arab history?Been to those damn pro islamic websites even american ones?Been shafted and treated like shit by muslims and read the quran and find out they are following its commandment to "chastise and shun the disbelievers" they are losers?
Ive read non jeudeo christian holy books, Like the aviesta and the gathas of the Zoroastrains, Read about Buddism, Studied alternate gospels like the Gnoistic, Read even the mandeist text sopposedly written by the famous "john the baptiser" were like gnoistic believed the creator "yahweh"was a blind imperfect twin to the perfect god they worship and receieve his secret knowledge, As the arguement imperfection cannot come from perfection, As if Adam was a sinner and flawed so must his maker?
Of all religons besides say the X rated polytheistic "caanism" the faith of pheocians and carthargians, Ancient isrealites , Islam shocks the hell out of me the most as a depraved piece of crap as part of its origins come from those.
Christians can undo the garbage in the old testament because of the Gospel in the new testament, So they are not commanded to wage and slay those disbelievers and hathens were you find them, As they are now all commanded to try save the sinners and "love your enemy like you love yourself".
Quote:It's all about the interpretation and which parts the religious group in question decides to selectively read...
Unfortunately islamic radicals and fundiementalist interpret things this way as do the majority of most real faithful muslims! The liberal muslims are ones traped in the cage, because there is escape by conversion to another faith as that would mean death , They are hoping to alter their cage to make it more pleasant of a prison.
The moderates or the Liberal Muslims are the ones who are the most absurde making huge stretches trying to "modernise" the crazy cult.
8:12 When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers because they oppose Allah and Muhammad.
8:13 That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment.
8:14 That (is the award), so taste it, and (know) that for disbelievers is the torment of the Fire. Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire.
8:15 O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell.
8:16 Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end.
8:17 Ye (Muslims) slew them not, but Allah slew them. And thou (Muhammad) threwest not when thou didst throw, but Allah threw, that He might test the believers by a fair test from Him. Lo! Allah is Hearer, Knower. Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing.
8:18 That (is the case); and (know) that Allah (it is) Who maketh weak the plan of disbelievers.
8:35 And their worship at the (holy) House is naught but whistling and hand- clapping. Therefore (it is said unto them): Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve.
8:36 Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men) from the way of Allah. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be conquered. And those who disbelieve will be gathered unto hell, Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell.
8:37 That Allah may separate the wicked from the good, The wicked will He place piece upon piece, and heap them all together, and consign them unto hell. Such verily are the losers.
8:38 Tell those who disbelieve that if they cease (from persecution of believers) that which is past will be forgiven them; but if they return (thereto) then the example of the men of old hath already gone (before them, for a warning).
8:39 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.
8:50 If thou couldst see how the angels receive those who disbelieve, smiting faces and their backs and (saying): Taste the punishment of burning!
8:55 Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the ungrateful who will not believe.
8:59 And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah.
8:60 Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
8:65 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence.
8:66 Now hath Allah lightened your burden, for He knoweth that there is weakness in you. So if there be of you a steadfast hundred they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a thousand (steadfast) they shall overcome two thousand by permission of Allah. Allah is with the steadfast.
8:67 It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.
7:4 How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them.
7:5 No plea had they, when Our terror came unto them, save that they said: Lo! We were wrong-doers.
7:9 And as for those whose scale is light: those are they who lose their souls because they disbelieved Our revelations.
7:11 And We created you then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who make prostration.
7:18 He said: Go forth from hence, degraded, banished. As for such of them as follow thee, surely I will fill hell with all of you.
7:30 A party hath He led aright, while error hath just hold over (another) party, for lo! they choose the devils for protecting supporters instead of Allah and deem that they are rightly guided. Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided.
Who chooses devils to be friends of disbelievers?
7:31 O Children of Adam! Look to your adornment at every place of worship, and eat and drink, but be not prodigal. Lo! He loveth not the prodigals.
7:32 Say: Who hath forbidden the adornment of Allah which He hath brought forth for His bondmen, and the good things of His providing ? Say: Such, on the Day of Resurrection, will be only for those who believed during the life of the world. Thus do we detail Our revelations for people who have knowledge.
7:36 But they who deny Our revelations and scorn them - each are rightful owners of the Fire; they will abide therein.
7:38 He saith: Enter into the Fire among nations of the jinn and humankind who passed away before you. Every time a nation entereth, it curseth its sister (nation) till, when they have all been made to follow one another thither, the last of them saith unto the first of them: Our Lord! These led us astray, so give them double torment of the Fire. He saith: For each one there is double (torment), but ye know not. Entire nations of the jinn (evil spirits made from fire) have been tormented with fire.
Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment.
7:39 And the first of them saith unto the last of them: Ye were no whit better than us, so taste the doom for what ye used to earn.
7:40 Lo! they who deny Our revelations and scorn them, for them the gates of heaven will nor be opened nor will they enter the Garden until the camel goeth through the needle's eye. Thus do We requite the guilty. Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell.
7:41 Theirs will be a bed of hell, and over them coverings (of hell). Thus do We requite wrong-doers.
7:50 And the dwellers of the Fire cry out unto the dwellers of the Garden: Pour on us some water or some wherewith Allah hath provided you. They say: Lo! Allah hath forbidden both to disbelievers (in His guidance),
7:80 And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you? Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species.
7:81 Lo! ye come with lust unto men instead of women. Nay, but ye are wanton folk.
7:101 Such were the townships. We relate some tidings of them unto thee (Muhammad). Their messengers verily came unto them with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but they could not believe because they had before denied. Thus doth Allah print upon the hearts of disbelievers (that they hear not).