23rd May 2005, 8:12 PM
OB1, I must agree fully with Weltall on this.
He has made his intentions clear, not only in this thread but in the reviews forum itself in the rules thread.
Basically what he's saying is he just wants a review forum, and for it to really look the way he wants, no matter how important it may be or the limited readers, he basically just wants a clear and concise review to be given. I had some problems with one of the rules, yes, but it was just a minor complaint over something, and I would have just let it go if Weltall pressed the issue. Not important at all to me it is, yeess.
A 500 word limit is basically just him saying "try to make it long and give some detail on what formed your opinion and some details on the game itself". I'm sure he'd cut some slack if it managed to be just 450 words. He's just making sure you think things out so it's not full of something saying "Halo SUCKS! Haha!" like you might find at GameFAQs. It is censorship, but it's very reasonable and I for one agree with it. There would be no point to the forum otherwise.
You may bring up that you don't believe there is any good reason for the forum. Perhaps not, except that Weltall wants one. I for one would like an easy to find library of the general opinions of the various peoples of Tendo City on all manner of games. It's a handy thing that lets me avoid just asking them directly. To me the reviews are just a way to find out more about the people here, namely what they think of specific games and why they think it.
Sure it's no big deal, but he's only asking a very small thing here. This isn't some slippery slope here. We'll know when things get "out of hand", trust me. As he said, this forum didn't even exist beforehand. He's not changing anything that's already here. He's creating a new place and I think applying some rules to it is just fine.
You accuse Weltall of making a big deal out of nothing. However, it is clear that it is you that is blowing things out of proportion. You accuse him of letting his "power" get to his head. I believe that this might more accuratly describe you.
Finally, you really do Weltall a great disservice. First off, to say Weltall is "refusing" any outside help is untrue to say the least. Not only is he VERY willing to accept donations, he has actually requested them before. He has only stated that he doesn't want to really ask for them, not that he won't accept them if offered. To bring that up as some argument about his worth is odd, as though you are trying to suggest that Weltall's worth here is nill and we could do better without him. I'm sorry, but Weltall has done a fine job and I don't think it's very much for him to ask us to obey a few rules here and there. He even explained it fully. Truthfully, he doesn't even owe us an explanation. It's merely good manners to do so. In fact, you agree with that. You yourself have stated to me on a previous incident when you altered some threads that you didn't owe me an explanation at all.
Last, I must say that ice-9, at least when I was there, was never really THAT strict. I kept going to TC not because I felt I could do whatever I want (though I must admit that is a nice perk in the new version) but because of the people. The people more than anything else make the place. If the rules killed it, I wouldn't have kept coming back to TC so often. Also, they didn't have anything to do with me leaving for half a year.
At any rate, I think you really need to take some time to sit down and really think about the situation here OB1. I believe once you have calmed down you will see that this is not a big deal at all. And, don't lie to us. Clearly you are having some level of emotion over this. It may be pride or something other than anger, but emotion is clouding your rational thought at the moment, and it's too clear for you to deny it. Please, calm down, and think.
Secondly, I AM aware that I said "lastly" or something similar like 3 times up there.... Sorry, I trail off...
He has made his intentions clear, not only in this thread but in the reviews forum itself in the rules thread.
Basically what he's saying is he just wants a review forum, and for it to really look the way he wants, no matter how important it may be or the limited readers, he basically just wants a clear and concise review to be given. I had some problems with one of the rules, yes, but it was just a minor complaint over something, and I would have just let it go if Weltall pressed the issue. Not important at all to me it is, yeess.
A 500 word limit is basically just him saying "try to make it long and give some detail on what formed your opinion and some details on the game itself". I'm sure he'd cut some slack if it managed to be just 450 words. He's just making sure you think things out so it's not full of something saying "Halo SUCKS! Haha!" like you might find at GameFAQs. It is censorship, but it's very reasonable and I for one agree with it. There would be no point to the forum otherwise.
You may bring up that you don't believe there is any good reason for the forum. Perhaps not, except that Weltall wants one. I for one would like an easy to find library of the general opinions of the various peoples of Tendo City on all manner of games. It's a handy thing that lets me avoid just asking them directly. To me the reviews are just a way to find out more about the people here, namely what they think of specific games and why they think it.
Sure it's no big deal, but he's only asking a very small thing here. This isn't some slippery slope here. We'll know when things get "out of hand", trust me. As he said, this forum didn't even exist beforehand. He's not changing anything that's already here. He's creating a new place and I think applying some rules to it is just fine.
You accuse Weltall of making a big deal out of nothing. However, it is clear that it is you that is blowing things out of proportion. You accuse him of letting his "power" get to his head. I believe that this might more accuratly describe you.
Finally, you really do Weltall a great disservice. First off, to say Weltall is "refusing" any outside help is untrue to say the least. Not only is he VERY willing to accept donations, he has actually requested them before. He has only stated that he doesn't want to really ask for them, not that he won't accept them if offered. To bring that up as some argument about his worth is odd, as though you are trying to suggest that Weltall's worth here is nill and we could do better without him. I'm sorry, but Weltall has done a fine job and I don't think it's very much for him to ask us to obey a few rules here and there. He even explained it fully. Truthfully, he doesn't even owe us an explanation. It's merely good manners to do so. In fact, you agree with that. You yourself have stated to me on a previous incident when you altered some threads that you didn't owe me an explanation at all.
Last, I must say that ice-9, at least when I was there, was never really THAT strict. I kept going to TC not because I felt I could do whatever I want (though I must admit that is a nice perk in the new version) but because of the people. The people more than anything else make the place. If the rules killed it, I wouldn't have kept coming back to TC so often. Also, they didn't have anything to do with me leaving for half a year.
At any rate, I think you really need to take some time to sit down and really think about the situation here OB1. I believe once you have calmed down you will see that this is not a big deal at all. And, don't lie to us. Clearly you are having some level of emotion over this. It may be pride or something other than anger, but emotion is clouding your rational thought at the moment, and it's too clear for you to deny it. Please, calm down, and think.
Secondly, I AM aware that I said "lastly" or something similar like 3 times up there.... Sorry, I trail off...
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