The Episode III spoiler-filled reviews and impressions thread

[Private Hudson]

I don't recall Kashyyyk being wiped out... I only recall there being two Wookies in the end, but it got wiped out? And I'm just saying that two enormous characters in Episodes IV-VI meet in Episode III... it's making it "too small of a world" if everyone from those episodes meets everyone in these episodes. Boba Fett, Captain Antilles now, Chewbacca, etc... ? It's a galaxy, and everyone is constantly being reused in the scripts as if... oh forget it, you do not, can not, and will not understand my point.

Well, from the scenes they showed, they were the only wookies. If they were the only Wookies left. I do understand your point, and I do recognize that Lucas did it to appease hardcore fans (I admit I smiled when I knew it was Chewbacca). But in all honesty, it doesn't come off as cheasy at all to me; it seems perfectly plausible. Particularly when you take into account that the events in Episode 3 give Chewbacca perfect motives for participating in the later episodes.

Watch it again, it does happen insomething like 10-30 seconds. He marches in, and sternly lobbies Mace Windu to leave Palpatine alive. Having failed, he cuts his hand/arm off. Immediately after, he exclaimes "what have I done!", AND THEN HE IMMEDIATELY swears fealty to the Emperor. It just happened too fast; there should have been more conflict within Anakin than that.

My point was that there was conflict within Anakin since Episode 2. The way he resigns into Dark side seems almost as though he feels he has to. He has given into the temptation that had been dangled in front of him for some time.

I know you're trying to justify it, but you can't--no one can. Palpatine had two Imperial bodyguards when Yoda attacked him. And seeing as the Emperor's ruled destroyed whole worlds, enslaved whole lraces, and killed countless billions, wouldn't it HAVE BEEN WORTH A SECOND TRY, YODA? At least he should have tried to form a resistance, as with Bail Organa? No, my friend, you can't justify his abdication. Why? Because Lucas added him in Episode V, and his character was never meant to appear before that. In trying to force Yoda into it, he has all of these questionable plotholes.

Yoda failed to defeat him the first time, what logic is there in fighting him a second time when he would be more well prepared?? There is far greater logic in leaving, and waiting until the time is right to take him on again. Which is what he did. Had he gone on to try and fight him again, and died, then Episodes 4,5,6 wouldn't have had a happy ending. :p

Perhaps, thats a good guess... but can't you see that you're struggling to come up with answers for Lucas here, you're not actually stating factual responses? Just admit that some things are inexplicable.

It seems to me like you're struggling to come up with flaws. It's a perfectly logical solution to a 'mistake' that doesn't really exist.

One person--Obi-wan didn't fly it. Anakiin PILOTED IT... he guided it from outer space onto a relatively small landing area in a super city, whereon if he'd missed he could've killed thousands of civilians. He piloted it knowing that he would be able to. Unrealistic, bad writing there. He never said "oh wait--what if I can't do this...?" He's Anakin Skywalker, not god.

He participated. And Anakin didn't pilot it. He even says that being able to pilot the ship is irrelevent, because the best he can hope to do is not crash it in the worst possible way. He guided it to a relatively safe landing. And he is also cocky, arrogant and brash. There was no time for self-doubt. He was in a situation and had to address it properly. By doing his best to land safely.

Sound of mind or not, if he loved Padme, it should've made a difference to him.

Instead, he took it as an insult. He's done all this 'for her', yet she doesn't appreciate it. She's been influenced by someone he now hates and has turned against him. This merely serves to feed his hate and anger even further. I'd say the only reason he didn't kill her is because he loved her, so it did make some difference.

Maybe I just have better perception than the other 6 billions people out there, because those backgrounds and sets looked like they'd been done on MS Paint (sarcasm). But since it's just a difference of opinion, there is no point in arguing this any further.

The only thing that I could think of that could be construed as slightly lame is the world with all the colorful giant flowers, but that was a stylistic choice, rather than terrible CG..

I have nothing but respect for Ian McDiarmid. But when I thought of Palpatine in the pre-prequels world, I thought of him as being a dark, silent, old, wicked, conservatively-mannered politician. Seeing him so "active" and colorful destroyed MY perception of that anyway; and clearly the rest of the world prefers the acrobatic/whiney version anyway.

Well, that's an odd way to look at it. He only does a few acrobatic things, and his whining is nothing more than acting. The rest of the time is him showcasing his puppetteering prowess and his knowledge of the force. To me it seems like the same character as in Return of the Jedi, only it showcases him even better.

He was a very important plot device. And made for some great visual candy.

I wouldn't call him VERY important... he could have just used Christopher Lee for another half hour. General Grievous was too elaborate to just be in the movie for that short a time, and to do so little.

True, Dooku could have done the same job, but he had already served his purpose as another plot device. If I was to complain about his character, it's that it didn't really show him kicking any ass. I'd have liked to have seen exactly how he obtained those Jedi sabres, to really build up the fight between he and OB1.

Another very careful move on his behalf to show how 'weak' he was (though he was not weak at all) to manipulate Anakin. Everything he did he had planned perfectly to get Anakin to join him.

I dunno... I still think Palpatine could've found a better way that wouldn't have scarred him for life... and I still argue that he shoudn't have been scarred that easily, as Luke wasn't.

Well, sometimes in movies some things are better left unexplained. Particularly in fantasy. Here's another plausible explaination that I came up with: It wasn't the lightning that scarred him, but his use of the power. Perhaps it took a lot out of him, so much so that it sped of the aging process 100fold.

I understand that, but there has to have been some questioning element in all of the galaxy, beyond Bail Organa?

Eh.. They might merely be too scared to question it. Or just far too under his influences. I don't know, it didn't stop me from suspending my disbelief. It's fantasy involving all sorts of magical powers, afterall. And he was influencing everyones minds, consciously and subcounsciously. Everything he did in the movie (and obviously anything that he would have done in the universe that obviously would not be shown in the movie) was plotted and planned by him so as to tighten his strangehold on the senate.

It's almost like arguing: Did no one in Germany disagree with what Hitler was doing?

I wasn't confused, kind sir, I said it was confusingly jumbled together. It hopped from one scene to another and then back and forth, and it tried to blend too much plot over the course of ten minutes. I just don't think that it was done well.[/b]

It was hardly jumbled together. It was extremely exciting mixing the two final confrontations together.. And what you said implies that it confused you..

Though, we can only agree to disagree. I thought it was done extremely effectively.

Even the fakest elements of Episodes IV-VI seem pale next to the Photoshop abominations of the prequels.

That's a poor counter argument to have made, as all you did was venture a guess.

But you made a stupid arguement. You really think anyone who is pregnant doesn't even bother to even contimplate a babies name until the moment it is born? It's something that doesn't need to be explained.

She delivered the children in some manner of a hospital room, with state-of-the-art (however cartoon-like and stupid) medical droids. I think at least one of them knew something about anesthesia.

That doesn't necessarily mean that any means of anesthesia is available. Particularly given the rushed/makeshift circumstances that they were in..

I KNOW why THEY don't remember him; why doesn't HE remember THEM? He flies with R2-D2 as his wingman throughout the Clone Wars, and then never sees him again until on the Death Star in Episode IV, and then again on Bespin in TESB. No reaction or anything? That's just dumb. That's just another way how the two trilogies conflict and don't blend all that well.

Well, Grumbler had a satisfactory explaination in the other thread. I also posted another possible explaination when I editted my above post earlier.

I knew he was surgically rebuilt after a confrontation on a lava-world with Obi-Wan... it's just the way that they filmed it that I didn't like.

Oh.. well you should have said that. Fair enough. I disagree. But it could be another way of Lucas trying to subconsciously convey Anakin turning into a monster. One who is confused and misunderstood at that..