The Episode III spoiler-filled reviews and impressions thread

[Darunia]

Wtf? First of all, Chewbaccca doesn't save Yoda at all. He just happens to make a cameo as one of two surviving wookies. Given that he's one of the last of his species, it shouldn't be so much of a coincidence that he is also the wookie that appears in the later episodes. And given that his entire planet was wiped out in Episode 3, that gives him perfect motivation to join the rebels against the Empire.

I don't recall Kashyyyk being wiped out... I only recall there being two Wookies in the end, but it got wiped out? And I'm just saying that two enormous characters in Episodes IV-VI meet in Episode III... it's making it "too small of a world" if everyone from those episodes meets everyone in these episodes. Boba Fett, Captain Antilles now, Chewbacca, etc... ? It's a galaxy, and everyone is constantly being reused in the scripts as if... oh forget it, you do not, can not, and will not understand my point.

Again, there's another discussion going on about this, but it's not as though this all happens in 10 seconds. His mind has been warped and twisted with hate and anger since Episode 2, and there were any scenes in Episode 3 in which he was just becoming more and more confused.

Watch it again, it does happen insomething like 10-30 seconds. He marches in, and sternly lobbies Mace Windu to leave Palpatine alive. Having failed, he cuts his hand/arm off. Immediately after, he exclaimes "what have I done!", AND THEN HE IMMEDIATELY swears fealty to the Emperor. It just happened too fast; there should have been more conflict within Anakin than that.

He caught him by surprise. The next time Sidious is shown he has guards with him. Would be much harder trying to take on someone of (near) equal power with many other people involved. He probably gives up because he understands that it's better to secure his own life and wait for the right moment to re-emerge.

I know you're trying to justify it, but you can't--no one can. Palpatine had two Imperial bodyguards when Yoda attacked him. And seeing as the Emperor's ruled destroyed whole worlds, enslaved whole lraces, and killed countless billions, wouldn't it HAVE BEEN WORTH A SECOND TRY, YODA? At least he should have tried to form a resistance, as with Bail Organa? No, my friend, you can't justify his abdication. Why? Because Lucas added him in Episode V, and his character was never meant to appear before that. In trying to force Yoda into it, he has all of these questionable plotholes.


This is something I'm not sure on given that I haven't seen the later episodes in a lonmg time, but what if the 2nd Death Star had already been started years earlier.. Besides that, there are many other reasons why they might have wanted to hastily build the second death star.

Perhaps, thats a good guess... but can't you see that you're struggling to come up with answers for Lucas here, you're not actually stating factual responses? Just admit that some things are inexplicable.

[/b]Well, two people. But I would not call that piloting. All they (might have) achieved was to alter it's trajectory so as to avoid a head on colision and land as safely as possible.[/b]

One person--Obi-wan didn't fly it. Anakiin PILOTED IT... he guided it from outer space onto a relatively small landing area in a super city, whereon if he'd missed he could've killed thousands of civilians. He piloted it knowing that he would be able to. Unrealistic, bad writing there. He never said "oh wait--what if I can't do this...?" He's Anakin Skywalker, not god.

Riiiight... Because by the end of the movie Anakin was perfectly sound of mind.. He wasn't twisted by the dark side, manipulated by Sidious, and what he had done at all.

Sound of mind or not, if he loved Padme, it should've made a difference to him.

Maybe I just have better perception than the other 6 billions people out there, because those backgrounds and sets looked like they'd been done on MS Paint (sarcasm). But since it's just a difference of opinion, there is no point in arguing this any further.


Destroyed it?? He only enhanced it. Just a wrikly faced acrobat? Riiiight.. Whines like a girl? You mean where he's complaining about being weak when Windu is about to kill him? You know he was just pretending, right? And he was in more than 2 scenes of the movie, btw.. Other scenes also enhance his character. Particularly his manipulation of Anakin, and his speech to the senate.

I have nothing but respect for Ian McDiarmid. But when I thought of Palpatine in the pre-prequels world, I thought of him as being a dark, silent, old, wicked, conservatively-mannered politician. Seeing him so "active" and colorful destroyed MY perception of that anyway; and clearly the rest of the world prefers the acrobatic/whiney version anyway.

He was a very important plot device. And made for some great visual candy.

I wouldn't call him VERY important... he could have just used Christopher Lee for another half hour. General Grievous was too elaborate to just be in the movie for that short a time, and to do so little.

Another very careful move on his behalf to show how 'weak' he was (though he was not weak at all) to manipulate Anakin. Everything he did he had planned perfectly to get Anakin to join him.

I dunno... I still think Palpatine could've found a better way that wouldn't have scarred him for life... and I still argue that he shoudn't have been scarred that easily, as Luke wasn't.

Again, he had very carefully manipulated everything. He had complete control and they trusted everything he said. As far as they were concerned he could not set a foot wrong because he was such a brilliant puppeteer.

I understand that, but there has to have been some questioning element in all of the galaxy, beyond Bail Organa?

I think I know why you were confused. You're an idiot.

I wasn't confused, kind sir, I said it was confusingly jumbled together. It hopped from one scene to another and then back and forth, and it tried to blend too much plot over the course of ten minutes. I just don't think that it was done well.[/b]


Uhh... there were a lot of things in the original 3 episodes that looked far more fake than anything in the latest installments.

Even the fakest elements of Episodes IV-VI seem pale next to the Photoshop abominations of the prequels.

I'm sure she had plenty of time to think about the names during the 9 months of gestation.

That's a poor counter argument to have made, as all you did was venture a guess.


Something tells me that the birth was unexpected and they didn't exactly have the best facilities available where they were. Given that they weren't exactly in the best hospital of the galaxy.

She delivered the children in some manner of a hospital room, with state-of-the-art (however cartoon-like and stupid) medical droids. I think at least one of them knew something about anesthesia.

Uhh.. their memory banks were wiped at the end of Episode 3. This was clearly shown. At least C3PO's was. I doubt whether or not R2-D2 was capable of attachment of any kind.

I KNOW why THEY don't remember him; why doesn't HE remember THEM? He flies with R2-D2 as his wingman throughout the Clone Wars, and then never sees him again until on the Death Star in Episode IV, and then again on Bespin in TESB. No reaction or anything? That's just dumb. That's just another way how the two trilogies conflict and don't blend all that well.

How did you think he became Darth Vader? Some weird disease turning his body into metal?? So what, anyone who is operated on on a table is just ripping off Frankenstein??

I knew he was surgically rebuilt after a confrontation on a lava-world with Obi-Wan... it's just the way that they filmed it that I didn't like.

Well, it is not just for the love of Padme, despite what Anakin himself says. It's because of his lust for power. Something he himself admits in the movie. He wants more than what the Jedi's will teach him, even though he knows he shouldn't

Good point, I concur.


...and then DJ says,


The very last part was very well done. You could actually FEEL Anakin's failure as he's lying around sans 3 limbs and on fire as hell. He chose the darkness over everything in the end.

Yes, that was a very well-filmed sequence, with Anakin on the shores, just sizzling with hatred... and Obi-Wan's almost in tears, saying "you were like a brother to me!" That was a powerful scene indeed.

Still though, his fall to the dark side was too quick. Palpatine seemed pretty smart right up until he went and spilled the beans WAY too soon. In a cult they don't go THAT fast. They don't go from "you are still a Jedi but check this out, the dark side is AWESOME".

I don't think anybody here is arguing that his fall wasn't done too hastily. That was an enormous speedbump in the storywriting.

Oh well, at any rate it's exactly what I expected, except I thought Grevious would be cooler considering how cool he was in the animated series. I guess having your lungs collapsed by Mace can do that to you... But, in the movie he seemed like a total wuss.

Yea; pretty much.

Oh and, is it just me or do light saber battles look less like talented skill and more like just randomly trying to bash the other guy to death?

I suppose that's true; they have lost a lot of their fencing form.

And wow, he sorta broke off that operating table like Frankenstein's monster didn't he? Why was he even shackled down anyway? Then he screams like Calculon.

Thank you for clarifying that for me, DJ! That's exactly what I was trying to say; I hated that scene, it was lame and cheesey. I would've thought he would've been in a bacta tank for...like a century, not latched to a table like a lame Frankenstein parody.