22nd February 2005, 3:02 PM
Whether it applies to him or not, there is one phrase everyone should hear.
Do not attempt to extract the splinter out of another's eye until you have removed the board from your own. Jesus said that I think...
This is not meant to say anyone here has more of a problem than anyone else. The point is that it is important to look at yourself before another.
Meaning, whatever problems you may see with OB1, it is best to simply deal with your own, the ones you have awknowledged yourself, firsthand.
You know, I don't get it across sometimes but I myself do enjoy civil debate as well. In the past we have both discussed our differing views on things like RPGs, mostly RPGs in fact, without it becoming too heated. We simply get our viewpoints out there and end on some terms we can both agree to, in those good cases anyway. I enjoy exchanges like that. For example, we both agreed, regarding the Majora's Mask thing, that the saving system was both something some people had no problem with but enough people did have a problem that it could have been designed better with those people in mind. I made it clear I played the game in a way that those problems didn't come up, but you made it clear that others wanted the freedom to not worry about the clock. I think we can both agree that loosing all your ammo during a save was a rather stupid thing to do :D (really, what purpose does forcing the character to randomly slice down bushes for 5-10 minutes before being able to set off on the next mission serve?). Sure, the exact same argument was done in a much more heated fasion many times before, but we worked it out that time in such a way that it hasn't come up since, which is a sign that a debate has truly been resolved. The important thing isn't to convince the other side you are right, but rather if that can't be achieved, to at least come to some common understanding that allows both viewpoints to exist.
Really ABF, take my advice to block OB1 for however long you think you need into consideration. I'll debate topics with you in the mean time in that civil manner so you have something to look forward to.
Do not attempt to extract the splinter out of another's eye until you have removed the board from your own. Jesus said that I think...
This is not meant to say anyone here has more of a problem than anyone else. The point is that it is important to look at yourself before another.
Meaning, whatever problems you may see with OB1, it is best to simply deal with your own, the ones you have awknowledged yourself, firsthand.
You know, I don't get it across sometimes but I myself do enjoy civil debate as well. In the past we have both discussed our differing views on things like RPGs, mostly RPGs in fact, without it becoming too heated. We simply get our viewpoints out there and end on some terms we can both agree to, in those good cases anyway. I enjoy exchanges like that. For example, we both agreed, regarding the Majora's Mask thing, that the saving system was both something some people had no problem with but enough people did have a problem that it could have been designed better with those people in mind. I made it clear I played the game in a way that those problems didn't come up, but you made it clear that others wanted the freedom to not worry about the clock. I think we can both agree that loosing all your ammo during a save was a rather stupid thing to do :D (really, what purpose does forcing the character to randomly slice down bushes for 5-10 minutes before being able to set off on the next mission serve?). Sure, the exact same argument was done in a much more heated fasion many times before, but we worked it out that time in such a way that it hasn't come up since, which is a sign that a debate has truly been resolved. The important thing isn't to convince the other side you are right, but rather if that can't be achieved, to at least come to some common understanding that allows both viewpoints to exist.
Really ABF, take my advice to block OB1 for however long you think you need into consideration. I'll debate topics with you in the mean time in that civil manner so you have something to look forward to.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)