22nd February 2005, 1:46 PM
OB1, if I offended you in any way please note that was not my intention. I am simply trying to end the squabbling here. I am aware of your reasons for the deletion, but it still wasn't really justified. Text is much smaller than images, and thus the load times were not affected in any significant way by such posts. Also, it would appear EM's comment was actually pretty tame. I can understand how you would take it offensively, but bear in mind I am almost positive he didn't mean it in any sort of offensive light.
I would ask that you read my entire post. Despite what you may think, I really am trying to put an end to this. I am aware some of what I said is speaking of your character in a less than positive light, but I also point out your good side, the part I like having here. The fact of the matter is I want you to stay, but at the same time I must acknowledge the faults that can lead to a lot of anger here. We all have our faults. Yours aren't any worse than anyone else's, but they do seem to the the ones that are the most abbrasive to people here. I've learned to deal with that as well as the rest of the faults here, so honestly I don't care, but I submit that a little more tact and a little less sensitivity would be most helpful. This isn't about who is right or wrong, this is about turning a potential chernobyl into a mere 3 mile island. To that end, ignore percieved insults wherever they may emerge.
To others here, constant complaining about this is not what I would call a solution. I can understand your anger over the deleted posts, but let's just take it in stride. It is nothing worth arguing about. Let it be. You know, lead by example.
To Weltall, indeed such abuses of admin power here are not exactly a good thing. OB1 isn't the only one who did it, as you well know. EM only moved the thread, but to some secret alcove only a few people know about. That is about the same as deletion I'd say.
ABF and OB1, you both have issues with each other. You see the other as a horrible argumentative person very often. I submit that perhaps taking a break from each other is in order. OB1 has taken the first step by deciding to actively ignore ABF's posts. ABF has not made this leap yet, and having spoken with him, I'm aware of his reasons why. He just doesn't like to give in.
The nature of who is right or wrong in those arguments really has no meaning to me. Most people here just ignore it and don't even take sides. ABF is convinced that OB1 needs to be "taught a lesson" even though his method is a rather childish one. OB1 is convinced that ABF is too stubborn (and to an extent he is right) but the main offense is not giving his viewpoint a chance. I've seen enough arguments to know that ABF does make some good points and his viewpoint isn't something to be insulted at every corner.
To both of you, just let it be. OB1 has taken the first step. ABF, you can easily follow by doing the same. However, further than that, do not make fun of each other. That means don't point out any character flaws you may see ABF, that just points out your stubborness. And to OB1, that means that despite what you may think of ABF's points, or how uninformed you believe them to be, don't just insult him over it, not even passively.
Again, I do not wish to incite any more silly arguments. These are the real problems I have noticed. I myself have a personality flaw very similar to their's in that I can't back down from a hopeless argument if my pride is threatened. I think I have managed that well enough that I can start talking with OB1 again without fear of flying off the handle over trivial things. Now then, let's all not become a flame war fest.
I have a feeling some of what I said could lead to more arguments, but I hope the good points I made will be the only thing paid attention to. Any insults you may percieve were not intended. Intention is what matters after all.
Let's not force Weltall's hand, or we'll ALL be Yatta'd!
I would ask that you read my entire post. Despite what you may think, I really am trying to put an end to this. I am aware some of what I said is speaking of your character in a less than positive light, but I also point out your good side, the part I like having here. The fact of the matter is I want you to stay, but at the same time I must acknowledge the faults that can lead to a lot of anger here. We all have our faults. Yours aren't any worse than anyone else's, but they do seem to the the ones that are the most abbrasive to people here. I've learned to deal with that as well as the rest of the faults here, so honestly I don't care, but I submit that a little more tact and a little less sensitivity would be most helpful. This isn't about who is right or wrong, this is about turning a potential chernobyl into a mere 3 mile island. To that end, ignore percieved insults wherever they may emerge.
To others here, constant complaining about this is not what I would call a solution. I can understand your anger over the deleted posts, but let's just take it in stride. It is nothing worth arguing about. Let it be. You know, lead by example.
To Weltall, indeed such abuses of admin power here are not exactly a good thing. OB1 isn't the only one who did it, as you well know. EM only moved the thread, but to some secret alcove only a few people know about. That is about the same as deletion I'd say.
ABF and OB1, you both have issues with each other. You see the other as a horrible argumentative person very often. I submit that perhaps taking a break from each other is in order. OB1 has taken the first step by deciding to actively ignore ABF's posts. ABF has not made this leap yet, and having spoken with him, I'm aware of his reasons why. He just doesn't like to give in.
The nature of who is right or wrong in those arguments really has no meaning to me. Most people here just ignore it and don't even take sides. ABF is convinced that OB1 needs to be "taught a lesson" even though his method is a rather childish one. OB1 is convinced that ABF is too stubborn (and to an extent he is right) but the main offense is not giving his viewpoint a chance. I've seen enough arguments to know that ABF does make some good points and his viewpoint isn't something to be insulted at every corner.
To both of you, just let it be. OB1 has taken the first step. ABF, you can easily follow by doing the same. However, further than that, do not make fun of each other. That means don't point out any character flaws you may see ABF, that just points out your stubborness. And to OB1, that means that despite what you may think of ABF's points, or how uninformed you believe them to be, don't just insult him over it, not even passively.
Again, I do not wish to incite any more silly arguments. These are the real problems I have noticed. I myself have a personality flaw very similar to their's in that I can't back down from a hopeless argument if my pride is threatened. I think I have managed that well enough that I can start talking with OB1 again without fear of flying off the handle over trivial things. Now then, let's all not become a flame war fest.
I have a feeling some of what I said could lead to more arguments, but I hope the good points I made will be the only thing paid attention to. Any insults you may percieve were not intended. Intention is what matters after all.
Let's not force Weltall's hand, or we'll ALL be Yatta'd!
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)