Dorks vs IGN

[A Black Falcon]

OB1, you're probably lucky that no one here is a big Doom/Quake fan... :)

True, the other games in their engines can sometimes be better than their games. Probably not for Doom (that game's better than Heretic or Hexen for sure, or Chex Quest...), but for Quake 3? Q3 is not as good as Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force and Star Trek Elite Force 2, Jedi Knight 2 and Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, etc., I'd say... I've only played a little of Quake 3, but it seems like a pretty simple 'run and shoot' thing. Very fast... and so are all the games in the engine. They all play somewhat similarly in ways, and you can tell that they're in the same engine... fast, not that great in big outdoor areas (though it gets better as things progress), etc... It's a fun engine, but not perfect for sure. Like in JK2/JKJA. Those games are fun, I can't deny it. I just played the Jedi Academy demo yesterday. Thought it was pretty good. Definitely better than JK2. I'll say more if anyone else cares... but it did make me want the game, unlike the JK2 demo...

But I still have the fundamental complaints that the Q3-engine JK games were sped up and made more like Quake and less like Jedi Knight and that they made the path you take blindingly obvious like most FPSes and not obsured like JK. Sure, there are still puzzles and jumping puzzles and stuff, but you never have much of a question as to where you are supposed to be going. It's too bad.

And I got to mention it, of course. Automaps are great and I sadly miss them in FPSes.

Anyway, my point... Doom is a great classic shooter. Quake is good too, but it's not as good as Doom. And Quake II and Quake III went downhill more.

edit: as for Doom 3, here's one thing that'll be limiting who gets it. The system requirements.

An Nvidia GeForce 3 graphics card or ATI Technologies 8500: Column author Dwight Silverman says that given the game's demanding visuals, serious gamers should splurge for a GPU from Nvidia's GeForce FX or 6800 line or ATI's Radeon 9800 or X800 series. He says more frugal PC owners can make do with a GeForce 5900XT or a Radeon 9600XT.

A 1.5-gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 chip or AMD Athlon 1500: Though these will run the game, Silverman suggests a 2GHz Pentium or equivalent, with the "ideal" processor being 3 GHz or over.

384MB of memory: Again, Silverman stresses that this is a minimum requirement, and he recommends 512MB at least, with 1GB preferred.

Two GB of hard drive space:. Four GB is suggested if your PC is running low on free space.