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Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 15th July 2004 Read the first one and then the second one. :) http://cube.ign.com/articles/527/527243p1.html Quote:Smashing Success http://www.nintendorks.com/editorials/archives/000659.php Quote:July 01, 2004 :) Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 15th July 2004 That read was... interesting. Don't be surprised if IGN never even gets wind of that guy's response though. My take? Well, having gone to the effort of reading that IGN thing, I'm reminded of my general opinion of IGN anyway. They strive to entertain us, not inform us. If they can create controversy or an issue where there is none, they are getting more visiters, and thus are getting paid. They are to gaming what E! is to movies and TV. You can get some info there, but keep your guard up so their opinions don't get through. Honestly, with them actually talking about famous stars playing games as though I care, it's not long before they start talking about marriage scandels in the game industry, and that's when I won't even visit IGN any more. The second guy I actually find myself agreeing with. Biased towards Nintendo just a tad? Sure, but for the most part it's a fairly accurate portrayal of Nintendo's current situation, as owners of countless beloved franchises and toppers of sales charts. Halo 2 will be a HUGE thing for the XBox, I know I have my copy reserved, but Zelda GCN 2 will be huge as well, if not bigger, and MP2 will also be big, as well as Mario 128 whenever that comes out. MS does online best so far, but I have more than twice as many GCN games as I do XBox games. Not a knock on the system, and I'm missing a few XB gems, but that's just how it is. For the most part I see more games I want on the GCN at any one time than the XBox. Also, a couple of the games I have for XBox are just there because they are better versions than the GCN ones, like for example, Prince of Persia. XBox has some GREAT games, and it is the clear winner in online games, but Nintendo wins in sheer number of great games. However, mathematics are something I don't apply to these sorts of things. I want ALL the great games I can get, so I got the XBox too. Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 15th July 2004 Gotta say I completely agree with Chris. Smash Brothers is awesome, but Nintendo doesn't need to get carried away with it and take resources away from other franchises to make more of them. Quote:Justin Timberlake, who is so inept with women that he opened up a can of worms during the Super Bowl. Or maybe it was a can of boob. Heh heh :D Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 15th July 2004 I am wondering what games HAL is working on lately. I'm almost certain it's something Kirby related for the DS though... call me crazy... Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 15th July 2004 Quote:That read was... interesting. Don't be surprised if IGN never even gets wind of that guy's response though. They'll hear of it, I think. Nintendorks has been around for a long time now, after all, and back in '99 (before all the downtimes killed their readerbase) they were actually a IGN affilate... I just wouldn't expect a response. :) As for the IGN article, yeah, I didn't exactly find myself agreeing with it. Sure, Halo 2 is big. But why should Nintendo make another SSBM unless they have a good reason? I can't think of anything they could add to the formula, you know, other than online, and Nintendo has made its opinion of that quite clear. So what would be the point? More characters and levels? SSBM already has quite a few... I just don't see the point outside of "it'd sell many copies" and that isn't a good reason to make a game. It just doesn't make a whole lost of sense... And the point about it not just being SSB to counter Halo but also Zelda and Metroid is a really good one. Yes, Microsoft also has other big titles -- like Fable -- but Halo 2 is their centerpiece while Nintendo spreads it out among more franchises. And I think Metroid Prime 2 will compete well with Halo 2, like Prime 1 did with Halo... the added multiplayer mode should help. Though it better have LAN support! :) It really does look like the IGN article was a panicked reaction to thinking Nintendo needed an "answer" to Halo 2. Either that or he really wants more SSB... but the first one was answered by Nintendorks and the latter one just doesn't make a lot of sense unless the impossible happens and it goes online, so IGN's article is shown to be flawed. Dorks vs IGN - EdenMaster - 15th July 2004 Bravo, Chris. Way to tear IGN a new one. Trust me, I'm a big Melee fan. I've logged literally hundereds of hours into Melee, and I still break it out every so often and have just as much fun with it as the first day I played. It's a great game and I love it to death, but I'd rather a new Zelda or Mario than a new Melee. I'm willing to wait till Revolution comes out to see a new SSB, if that means playing an incredible new Zelda on my GameCube next year, I'm willing to make that sacrifice. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 15th July 2004 And what a horrible sacrifice that must be, right? Forced to play Zelda instead of what we really want, which is SSB to become a franchise Nintendo uses like Mario Party! Seriously, what was Matt thinking? Dorks vs IGN - EdenMaster - 15th July 2004 Indeed. Mario Party is a great example. Mario Party, while fun, has had so many sequels churned out that nobody cares anymore. What Nintendo is doign is keeping their SSB as their ace in the hole ofr thier new console. Give us Melee and leave us salivating for more, and we'll certainly buy a Revolution console to play a new one. Well, unless you're like us and plan to get one anyway :). Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 15th July 2004 Or how about King of Fighters? Still great games, but does it REALLY need yearly releases? Most of them are pretty similar... Mario Party is even more so. Or how about... yup, Pokemon? Frankly, to see a franchise Nintendo could easily do that to and see them NOT do it is great. And it shows that you don't have to do that to have a successful franchise of games like that (that are easy to make many versions of)... As for SSB... SSB:M is great. But SSB for N64 is also great. It's still very fun. Could there have been several versions in between, or after Melee? Given the fighting genre, absolutely. But it'd be like all those other fighting games which get old as they make more and more very similar sequels. Unless they change something big SSB would get old if they rehashed the game over and over with new releases. Though the games would probably still be great fun it'd still hurt if they did that. I know plenty of people tired of KOF or Mario Party (or Pokemon) when if they'd released fewer versions people might have kept more interest... releasing more versions helps with the harder core fans, but does it overall? I'd say no. How about Mega Man... sure, it's the #1 series for this. And it's still a fun series. But plenty of people tired of the formula years ago... so they try to change things (X, Zero, Battle Network, etc) to compensate. The issue is that then they just make similar sequels of those games. Oh well, but at least they're doing something... though I can't help but think that there could have been several less Mega Man games in the past few years... Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 15th July 2004 Exactly. Honestly, I can wait until Nintendo WANTS to do online play for the next SSB game. There are only two SSB games I'd like to see. The lesser one would be an arcade game, simply because fighting games and the arcade love each other. I know I'd enjoy defeating random people in person in the arcades. The one I REALLY want to see though would be a DS game. Now, SSB is something that really COULD be done in 2D anyway, via scaling, since the gameplay is 2D anyway. Considering the DS is 3D now, they could easily do that. I want to see this game done because the DS is online basically, and also portable smashing would be fun. However, I can wait. It's no big deal to ONLY have Melee for a few years :D (well, let's face it, I have barely touched the original since the new one came out). Mario Party is a great game, but with so MANY, well, I have a hard time justifying buying the latest version when I know a few months will pass and the next will be announced. I just keep thinking "oh, I'll just wait until the next one". For that reason, I don't own ANY of the Mario Party games :D. I would have owned the first, but by the time I got around to thinking about getting it, MP2 was out and MP3 had been announced, so it began. My standing now is that I'll wait until that very first online Mario Party game and that'll be the first I get. Yes, it'll be a while, but I am still convinced that, while not for a few years, Nintendo will eventually have to form an online plan for their console. Eh, point is, IGN really has a habbit of making up really pointless "stories" when the news is dead. Dorks vs IGN - alien space marine - 15th July 2004 IGN is made of crackwhores who dont know what their talking about. I remeber a review for Warcraft III, The IGN reviewer when talking about the story and its history didnt know a fucking thing! He said Medivh was in warcraft II exspansion and was the big evil boss leading the orcs as warcheif. What a incredible bull shit review! Its like saying Kuja was in Final Fantasy VII when actually he was in FFIX or saying Luke Skywalker was in episode I. They shouldnt talk about things and try to make people think your some kind of expert and write things you dont know about or not sure of without doing research otherwise real fans will read it and discredit your hole review for such a lack of knowledge of the series making such sloppy mistakes. The real truth is that Medivh was not even in any warcraft II game, He was in warcraft I orcs and humans and was in level 7 of the human campaigns were you had a mission to kill him inside his tower while he was summoning big ass Deamons and also had fire elementals,slimers and alot of shit to kill you. IGN is filled with morons just to get the point across. Dorks is right , SSB Melee did so well because it was the only major sequeil released and it had no major compeition when it launched untill the big guns were released later,If Zelda and Metroid had launched at the same time things would have been different.SSB Melee was a sucessful game but not compared to the other major ones nintendo is working on right now.I think the next Zelda game is a higher priority. I am sure they will make a sequeil just really late in the gamecubes life like usual or on the next console. Saying Halo 2 is the only major good Xbox game at E3 is a lie too,KOTOR II the sith lords is a big deal atleast for me, I also heard Rare is gonna make a remake of Conkers bad fur day with multiplayer and possibly Xbox live support. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 15th July 2004 KOTOR II... yes, that is a top X-Box game. But it's getting a just about simultaneous PC release so that doesn't really count as any kind of exclusive... :) I'm looking forward to console gamers discovering the Black Isle (erm, Obsidian, but it's all Black Isle people...) is just as good at RPGs as Bioware. The unfortunate part is that it doesn't come until Black Isle is dead and Interplay moribund. :( IGN. They are stupid. But go to Gamespy and you'll see how IGN can be made on occasion to look good. Anyone else recall their Mario vs Donkey Kong review? :S But still, stuff like this does NOT make them look good... Halo vs SSBM is not the best possible comparison by any means. DJ: Arcade SSB would be pretty cool, wouldn't it... DS? I don't know how it'd use the touchscreen or double screens, but wireless multiplay would be cool. Though that connects to online... and the Game Boy. Why hasn't there been a GB SSB game yet? It's not like it has some huge technical barrier or something! There should have been at least one by now, I think. Mario Party. Yeah, I kind of feel similarly. I wouldn't mind having one of them. The minigames in Kirby 64 are in that style and I definitely enjoy that game (well, the fruit collection one stinks, but Hundred Yard Hop is more fun than it should be to play in multiplayer mode...). But there are six now, and they keep making them, so I kind of have thought that I'll wait for the next one or something like that... though if I get one it probably should be N64. I still only have three NGC controllers, and one of them doesn't work right... (that's also why I have played SSB for N64, BTW -- 4 player mode. Or even three.) My biggest question for IGN really is why we need another SSB. I just don't think the reasons are there. Not without online (or a Game Boy/DS release). Nintendo has more than enough franchises that they don't need to worry that much about one game... yes, Halo 2 will be huge. But it'll be huge no matter what Nintendo does and what they should do is release great games to go against it. Like the lineup they're already working on, perhaps. :) Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 15th July 2004 Yeah, I really wasn't thinking it should use the duel screen or touch screen modes myself. Anything I can think of would just make it cheap. Honestly, the upcoming Metroid game for DS, where you just point at the thing you want to die and it dies, seems so cheap as to kill all challenge. I mean, aiming should involve SOME level of challenge. Mouse or control stick, you still need to actually point with some level of real aiming difficulty. Here, you just touch the thing you want to die. That's about as challenging as playing Duck Hunt by actually putting the light gun right up against the screen (come on, I know we all did it) rather than actually standing a few feet back and actually aiming. Eh, anyway, I can't see it working with a fighting game in any reasonable way. There is the matter of the control stick and "smashing", but I imagine simply having a button you hold down or click to "trigger" that mode would allow that and still keep things simple enough. Yeah, concerning KOTOR, it was only an exclusive for a few months, so that doesn't really count as a killer app for the XBox. KOTOR 2 seems the same way. Honestly, I think I'll get the PC version there as, concerning the first one, the XBox version has NOTHING on the PC version, at all, but the PC version has control and graphical superiority (plus, the bugs are actually getting fixed, somewhat). Dorks vs IGN - alien space marine - 16th July 2004 Dark Jaguar Wrote:Yeah, concerning KOTOR, it was only an exclusive for a few months, so that doesn't really count as a killer app for the XBox. KOTOR 2 seems the same way. Honestly, I think I'll get the PC version there as, concerning the first one, the XBox version has NOTHING on the PC version, at all, but the PC version has control and graphical superiority (plus, the bugs are actually getting fixed, somewhat). They did sort of release a patch for Xbox live, Gave those bonus extras they had in the pc version and maybe fixed a few bugs.(thats if you have Xbox live :( ) I didnt find the bugs to bad, Never noticed anything so bad you couldnt play and have fun. I dont see why the Graphics actually have to be better? The Xbox version is pretty damn good anyways. Also you need a good computer for the PC version and possibly a graphics card. The Controls to me are not as good like a Console controler it just so easy to use and get into. To me its kind of like Final Fantasy they had a PC version for all of them except FFX, But nobody cared for the pc version even with superior graphics,The PSone versions were the ones that sold the most and got the most publicity. I need a reason to use my Xbox for games now, The only game I played religously was KOTOR to me it was better then Final FantasyX, Mech Assault and Project Gotham 2 kind are boring, PG2 isnt as fun as GT3, Since GT3 it allowed you to buy loads of cars and customize and upgrade them at shops in the game, You also could race in the simulation mode with any car you wanted if it fit the tournament rules,In PG2 as soon as your finnished a compition you cant reuse the same car in the next one. The only advantages in PG2 is Xbox live and car damage, Customizable sound track. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 16th July 2004 Quote:Yeah, I really wasn't thinking it should use the duel screen or touch screen modes myself. Anything I can think of would just make it cheap. Honestly, the upcoming Metroid game for DS, where you just point at the thing you want to die and it dies, seems so cheap as to kill all challenge. I mean, aiming should involve SOME level of challenge. Mouse or control stick, you still need to actually point with some level of real aiming difficulty. Here, you just touch the thing you want to die. That's about as challenging as playing Duck Hunt by actually putting the light gun right up against the screen (come on, I know we all did it) rather than actually standing a few feet back and actually aiming. Metroid aiming removes all challenge? Not according to the previews, which said that it made it hard to play and cumbersome... it's unique but the control scheme didn't get too good early impressions. But I'd have to try it to see how it really works... As for SSB (or other fighting games) I can't think of much that would use a touchscreen either. Doesn't seem really right for that genre... Quote:Yeah, concerning KOTOR, it was only an exclusive for a few months, so that doesn't really count as a killer app for the XBox. KOTOR 2 seems the same way. Honestly, I think I'll get the PC version there as, concerning the first one, the XBox version has NOTHING on the PC version, at all, but the PC version has control and graphical superiority (plus, the bugs are actually getting fixed, somewhat). PC games generally don't seem to "count" for exclusivity. Think of Rogue Squadron for instance... it was on PC too soon after its N64 release but it's a N64 exclusive... it's a bit different when the PC version comes out a lot later (GTA, Halo, etc), but when they are close, calling it exclusive is stupid. It is this team's first console game, but it should go fine. They're quite used to making games built on Bioware engines (this being their fourth such game). :) KOTOR... the PC version is better if you have a good PC. It's got a minimum install of like 4 or 5 gigabytes and pushes hardware, so if you don't have a pretty good machine it won't look as good as the X-Box title. But if you do, you can make it look better... just like Morrowind. FF7 and FF8 did get PC versions. But they weren't great ports and the graphics actually look worse on PC because the PC doesn't have the 'benifit' of the fuzziness of a TV, and is running at much higher resolutions, so the backgrounds looked quite bad... in a way the PSX versions actually have better graphics. :) Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 16th July 2004 Indeed, plus that KOTOR update only added in the PC exclusive content, and they will NOT add in any more content. Also, no bugs were fixed at all, not a one. Finally, that content update is only for the English version. I think you speak French natively asm, so you don't get it. FF7 and FF8 did indeed get PC releases. Why didn't I go for them? Well, I could point out that my PC at the time SUCKED (though now I COULD play KOTOR for PC and make it look better), but I'll also point out that even if my PC could play those games (which had much higher requirements than they should have), I wouldn't get them for a few reasons. First off, as ABF pointed out, the higher resolutions actually HURT those games. In some ways they look better, but in some ways, FF8 in particular here, they look worse. Then comes the actual games. Both of them are horribly glitchy. It's as though Eidos (the porters) only tried ONE computer setup, and when it worked they said "okay that's enough" and sent it off. You have to have a VERY specific setup for either to work at all. Patches have been released though. Not by Eidos mind you, but unofficial ones. They not only fix the games, but they have a few special updates. However, I'll go ahead and base this purely on what is officially available. Anyway, FF7 did get one bonus, a lot of translation errors were fixed. FF7 had a decent enough translation anyway, but it did have a lot of stupid errors like the whole "that's how you fooled 'em" "that's how you fool them eh?" thing. At least no spoony bards :D. This isn't enough to make up for the skippy music and videos (they used some outdated compression method that does NOT work with the faster CD-ROMS we use today), the occasional missing textures, and the glaring texture problems that are revealed by the boosted resolution combined with the PC moniter's superior sharpness anyway. Also, there are the controls. They basically just mapped the console controls to keyboard, so it's still a 1st person control method (not first person view, first person control :D) which is awkward with a keyboard. A little mouse support would have been greatly appreciated for things like menu navigation. Anyway, while one can use a PC controller, it just doesn't feel right... Though, I'm sure some won't care. Overall, I'd say the console versions of these two really are better than the PC ports. I'd attribute that to Eidos' failings at that job myself. I don't own either port as you might imagine, but I've seen all I need to see. Now, I have only read a few things about the MMX ports. I downloaded the MMX demo, and found it VERY blocky in appearence, and thus inferior to the SNES version. Now, maybe they did some anti-aliasing for the full version or something, but the demo certainly didn't. I imagine similar things might be wrong with the other X games that made it to PC, but I don't know enough to be certain. However, other PC ports get it right. FFXI for example from all accounts is exactly what a port should be. Graphically, if you have a powerful enough machine, it looks better, though the only improvement is the higher resolutions (and things that result from that, like the menus are smaller and thus more out of the way), the point is the higher resolutions actually make it look GOOD. Aside from that, not a single difference, but since both versions can play with each other on the same servers, they HAVE to be identical (hence why the PS2 version NEEDS the HDD). Anyway, since those types of RPGs are generally played with keyboard and mouse, and there's the higher resolution, the PC version really is the better pick I think. The reason one might not get the PS2 version would be purely because they want to get the HDD and as of yet it's ONLY sold with that game packed in, and they don't want to waste money on a second version of a game they already got. Considering that as far as gameplay and all the OTHER graphical thing, both are exactly the same, that isn't really a bad decision if you really want that HDD. Eh, anyway, what was I saying? Oh yes, in the case of KOTOR, it really seems like the PC version is in every way better. Not really a suprise. I mean, while the XBox version did come up with a nice targetting system and a pretty decent control method, it just doesn't match PC controls for this sort of game. Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 16th July 2004 Speaking of companies being totally ignorant but pretending they know what they talk about, only to find that you can't fake knowledge... http://www.planetnintendo.com/ff1/ Quote:FF1 on TV! Indeed, anyone who knows about the whole sorted history of FF games can tell these guys just read an FAQ for "FF2" (called that back during the SNES days here in America as we all know) and did no extra research beyond that. Having watched G4 a few times myself, I have to say that entire network is totally clueless on EVERYTHING about what we gamers want. Dorks vs IGN - EdenMaster - 16th July 2004 Dark Jaguar Wrote:Mario Party is a great game, but with so MANY, well, I have a hard time justifying buying the latest version when I know a few months will pass and the next will be announced. I just keep thinking "oh, I'll just wait until the next one". For that reason, I don't own ANY of the Mario Party games :D. I would have owned the first, but by the time I got around to thinking about getting it, MP2 was out and MP3 had been announced, so it began. My standing now is that I'll wait until that very first online Mario Party game and that'll be the first I get. Yes, it'll be a while, but I am still convinced that, while not for a few years, Nintendo will eventually have to form an online plan for their console. Indeed. I bought Mario Party 4 some time ago during a game drought so I could have something new to play (specifically the time between SFA and RE0), and I'm happy with it. However, I will not shell out another 50 bucks to get the <i>EXACT SAME GAME</i> plus maybe 30 or 40 more mini games. I have Mario Party 4, and it will probably be the last Mario party I buy on the GameCube. I'll consider buying a new one for Revolution when it comes out (and you know there will be a MP for Revolution not long after it's launch). Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 16th July 2004 Quote:Overall, I'd say the console versions of these two really are better than the PC ports. I'd attribute that to Eidos' failings at that job myself. I don't own either port as you might imagine, but I've seen all I need to see. Now, I have only read a few things about the MMX ports. I downloaded the MMX demo, and found it VERY blocky in appearence, and thus inferior to the SNES version. Now, maybe they did some anti-aliasing for the full version or something, but the demo certainly didn't. I imagine similar things might be wrong with the other X games that made it to PC, but I don't know enough to be certain. I have MMX-PC, but haven't really played the SNES version so I can't really judge... :D I thought it looked good, but I wasn't comparing it to the SNES game. I have heard that it isn't as good looking though, and it's probably true. For your information, they also ported over MMX3, 4, and 5. Why they skipped 2 I don't know. But I did get 4 and 5. But they're PSX ports and came later, so I think that they are pretty much console-perfect. Those are good ports. I have a lot of PC games, actually, that came out both on PC and consoles -- Rollcage Stage II, Future Cop LAPD, Moto Racer 2, Need for Speed: High Stakes, MDK2, etc... many more... most of them are fine ports. Sure, some have annoyances. There are a lot of games that don't let you use the mouse in menus. Save systems can be annoying -- why does Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo limit me to 2 save slots? Why do MMX4 and MMX5 have their save system broken into two seperate files each with about five files inside (emulating a PSX memcard)? Why does Beyond Good & Evil have such an annoying control scheme that makes me use the mouse in some menus and the keyboard in others, while always having to confirm with left mouse? Etc. But those things can usually be adjusted to and don't ruin the game unless there are other things wrong too, I'd say... Quote:FF7 and FF8 did indeed get PC releases. Why didn't I go for them? Well, I could point out that my PC at the time SUCKED (though now I COULD play KOTOR for PC and make it look better), but I'll also point out that even if my PC could play those games (which had much higher requirements than they should have), I wouldn't get them for a few reasons. Just play the PC demos of FF7 and FF8... it's painfully obvious that the resolution and sharpness doesn't work. The polygonal parts look great, but those backgrounds... ouch... I played the FF8 demo a few months back and it's still painful to think about. :D Oh, and as for KOTOR, I'd also bet that mouse control can work better in that kind of RPG than a gamepad... Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 16th July 2004 MMX3 actually had a PS/Saturn release (only in Japan, so it's actually RMX3) with FMVs and everything, I wonder if the PC vesion was that... Anyway, skipping 2 after doing 1 is kinda odd, but oh well. I actually did play a demo of FF7 PC. All it had was the colloseum mini-game though, which is hardly a good sampling of the game... Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 16th July 2004 http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/review/R23754.html Yeah, this version does have the added cutscenes and stuff... it has the not as good graphics, but it does have that. And a real save system, like in X1 PC. Though no packed-in gamepad, I think... :) And the FF7 demo I played some years back was an early part in the game... an hour or two of the game. Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 16th July 2004 More than the demo I played... If it's really the start of the game, then at least you got a taste of what the game is like. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 16th July 2004 Changed that post, DJ, with new information. :) And the demo I played was the one PC Gamer put on its CD. Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 16th July 2004 Like I have ANY idea what that had on it. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 16th July 2004 It was years ago, but I remember ... um, some long bridge, and a lot of random battles, and then this village, and then it gets destroyed or something and the people chase the badguys on some form of mass transportation and it ended there. Yeah, not too helpful. :) Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 16th July 2004 Hmm, sounds like the very first mission... I think... Was there a reactor draining the magic life energy of the planet you were trying to bomb? Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 16th July 2004 Isn't that good detail for a demo I played once for a hour or two six or seven years ago? :) *checks for disc* Ah, as I thought. It's the 3Dfx-only version of the demo. Dorks vs IGN - EdenMaster - 17th July 2004 It's funny that we were talking about Melee here. Tonight, I signed up for a Melee tournament, happening on August 1st. I'll have to dust off my copy of Melee and get Ganondorf ready for battle once again... Dorks vs IGN - OB1 - 18th July 2004 Yeah I saw this stuff, very funny. I agree with Matt that Nintendo does make some very odd business decisions (we can all agree on that), making a new Mario Party each year but completely ignoring their best-selling GC franchise, SSB. I'm not really anxious for a SSB sequel but I'd certainly rather see one than ten friggin hundred Mario Party games in the system's lifecycle. If I had it my way each major franchise would only get one sequel per console, so that we could get some new and original titles. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 18th July 2004 Mario Party is made by Hudson, right, not Nintendo? That might be part of why there are so many versions, it isn't a first-party development... The other case for this of course is Pokemon, but I didn't really think that that had to be said. :D Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 18th July 2004 Yeah, Hudson makes Mario Party. Quote:The other case for this of course is Pokemon, but I didn't really think that that had to be said. It makes money. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 18th July 2004 So they make sequels. Need more be said? ... I will anyway. It should follow this same rule -- not too many seuqels or stuff released with no discernable point except raking in the cash. It makes money but by most other standards just doesn't seem like a very good idea. Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 18th July 2004 Quote:but by most other standards just doesn't seem like a very good idea Apparently they're giving people what they want... Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 18th July 2004 But how many people REALLY want that many Pokemon or Mario Party games? Sure a lot of people buy them because they like the games, but if they thought about it... Dorks vs IGN - OB1 - 19th July 2004 I'd rather see more SSB's than Mario Parties and crappy Pokemon games. Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 19th July 2004 I'm sure just about all of us would, but I don't want SSB to become another washed out series with too many sequels like that two. They'll make another SSB when they think they can do something new that'll warrant a sequel, I'm sure of it. Dorks vs IGN - OB1 - 19th July 2004 What I propose is that they take some of the resources out of Mario Part 10, 11, and Pokemon: Pikachu's Stupid House Pet Simulator to make a SSB 3. Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 19th July 2004 Nintendo doesn't make Mario Party though, Hudson does. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 19th July 2004 Quote:I'm sure just about all of us would, but I don't want SSB to become another washed out series with too many sequels like that two. They'll make another SSB when they think they can do something new that'll warrant a sequel, I'm sure of it. Exactly my point. If Pokemon came out only once a generation and SSB yearly, you'd be saying the opposite thing I bet OB1... Dorks vs IGN - OB1 - 19th July 2004 Yes, which is why we need a balance. And I'm talking about resources, funds, GR. Maybe Hudson could work on a new SSB with HAL. Oh I don't know, I'm just throwing around ideas. Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 19th July 2004 What they could do is team up with Capcom to make the next SSB game and it could be "Super Smash Brothers: Nintendo vs. Capcom" and it would be totally awesome. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 19th July 2004 I don't think Hudson makes fighting games, though... :) As for GR, that would be cool but I wouldn't put much hope on it. Street Fighter may not be full of blood but it's still definitely a lot more violent than SSB, and Nintendo cares about stuff like that... Dorks vs IGN - OB1 - 19th July 2004 I'd like to see a Nintendo Vs. id Software fighting game, where Nintendo's characters (aside from Falcon) would just feel real sorry for the poorly-designed id characters, and then Mario would offer to give them a makeover with his awesome painting skills. And then beat them up. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 19th July 2004 You really hate id, don't you... Dorks vs IGN - OB1 - 19th July 2004 Yes. I just don't get why people like them so much. Some of their games are kind of fun, but not nearly as good as people praise them for. But the one thing that I can't stand most of all is their 12-year-old goth kid art direction. OooOooh, this skeleton has three heads and ROCKETS on his shoulders!!! ![]() Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 19th July 2004 Quote:Street Fighter may not be full of blood but it's still definitely a lot more violent than SSB, and Nintendo cares about stuff like that... I'm sure if Nintendo told them to leave off on the violence they would. Dorks vs IGN - Dark Jaguar - 19th July 2004 Have you played SSB? That game has pretty much the same level of violence as SF. I mean, it's still you and another human smacking the holy karp out of each other for the amusement of it. Some of that looks painful anyway. I know I wouldn't like one person to hold me down while someone else beats me upside the head with a bat. I think the mafia is known for that particular thing anyway... I guess the fact that it was Mario doing the smack down fit then... Dorks vs IGN - Sacred Jellybean - 19th July 2004 I don't think Super Smash Bros. characters and Capcom characters would mesh together well. :confused2 Seeing that in action would make my stomach hurt. Dorks vs IGN - Great Rumbler - 19th July 2004 There's a Japanese-only GC that's like SSBM, but with Hudson and Takara characters. You could play as Optimus Prime and turn into a truck and run over people. Awesome game. Dorks vs IGN - A Black Falcon - 20th July 2004 But the Capcom characters look more like real people. SSB characters just don't really look like that... it looks cartoonish in the violence, not that realistic. The only way I can see it working is if they used the mini-SF characters from Puzzle Fighter and Pocket Fighter... As for ID, they may have lost some of their more creative talent (John Romero and Tom Hall), but who they do have still can make okay games. Fine, I don't own any ID games after Keen 6. But I doubt very much that they are as bad as you say... and Doom and Quake show up regularly on best game ever lists, and I'm sure it's for a pretty good reason (played each a little)... |