Dorks vs IGN

[A Black Falcon]

OB1, it's kind of absurd to say that though Doom and Quake (Quake II and III didn't get anywhere near as much universal praise, but Doom and Quake I do) have massive fanbases, get on 'top 10 best PC games ever' lists just about every time (both were in all of the PCG Top 50 lists I can remember, and Doom certainly was in the top 10; Doom also won GameSpy's 2001 top 50 list and Quake was in the top 10, etc...), have lots of people saying that they are still fun games to play (especially in multiplayer mode) to this day, etc., because you dislike them they are actually awful? Seriously? It's an "opinion", OB1. Of yours. That doesn't make it fact that makes everyone who doesn't see it a moron.

Sure, id has decayed somewhat over time... Quake II isn't as good as Quake I and QIII was also not as good. And id is definitely pre-eminently a company about making amazing graphics engines. Can't deny that. But Quake, and especially Doom? While people can be messed up about what a good game is, these aren't softcore fans you know... and Doom has stood the test of time by any measurement I can make.

Sure, I'd rather play Dark Forces or Jedi Knight than Doom or Quake. But that's probably the Star Wars fan in me talking as much as anything... :)