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Please look at that list I made.

Note that no Cruis'n games are in it.

Now try thinking about your comment again. THE GAMES I LISTED are better than BAR, NOT ONES I DIDN'T LIST.


Oh, and Rush 2049 is so much better than BAR its not even funny... BAR is fun, sure, but as good as Rush? Absolutely not.

You're absolutely nuts.

Forget it. You obviously won't listen.

All I will say is you have strange criteria for games being similar -- Gradius and Wing Commander are very similar because you shoot at stuff in both games (they have absolutely nothing else in common gameplay wise I can see), but Battlezone and Mario Kart's battle mode aren't even remotely similar because you go slower and have just one weapon in MK? Huh? Explain how your logic makes sense?

I made the Gradius/WC comparison because you were having difficulties (to put it nicely) distinguishing Mario Kart from other racers. Battlezone is a very slow tank game where you shoot missiles at people. There are more similarities between Gradius and Wing Commander or Contra and Doom than there are with MK and Battlezone. For one thing MK's battle mode isn't even the main part of the game.

I said that. I was just wondering if Battle Wheels or Twisted Metal was first...

Well seeing as how the PSX came out after 1993 I think it's a pretty safe bet that Battle Wheels came out first.

Just try to explain how that comment is sane. Contra's areas like that are a straight cooridor. You go to next area. Kill all baddies at the end of the cooridor. Automove to next one. Its closer to a shooting gallery than to Doom, or even Catacomb 3d.

I was talking about those "3d" parts, dummy.

And so you've played Catacomb and know that it isn't a FPS and all you do is stand in points and shoot? Really? Doesn't sound like that to me...

http://www.3dgamers.com/games/catacomb3d/

Download the file and look at those screenshots. Then talk again.

Yeah I have played it, actually. I can send you the files next time I'm on Direct Connect. It's not a 3D game, just barely more than the 3d parts in Contra.

If they aren't how about you give a EXPLANATION of why Gradius and Wing Commander should be in the same genre? I haven't seen you give one yet... not one that carries any weight whatsoever... while I did give a longer reason why they should not. And like usual you didn't directly respond.

You are confusing me with yourself, my dear boy. You never give me a direct response, as you have proven over and over in this thread.

I gave you an answer to that question several times now, and you just keep on bringing this stupid-ass argument back to square one!! Here is what we both said just a few posts up:

Me: ALL shooters belong to the same genre. Contra, Gradius, Doom, and Wing Commander. They are all seperated by distinct sub-genres. WC isn't nearly enough "sim-like" to truley belong in the sim genre, and you know that.

Let me follow your rules by comparing Gradius to Wing Commander. All shooters share a few basic traits: shooting, flying, and dodging enemy fire. You stripped down racing games to similar basic qualities, and now I'm doing the same thing for space shooters. If Wing Commander didn't have that very simple perspective change and was played from a top-down angle like Gradius (with all of that shield management, etc. retained) would you still call it drastically different from the likes of Gradius? No, you wouldn't. So the only major difference you can find is a paper-thin perspective difference.

You:Okay, okay, Wing Commander is a simplistic space sim. I know.

Now... if you took TIE Fighter and put it topdown, I'd still argue that its much more a sim than an action game. But Wing Commander admittedly is a simpler game.

Honestly, I never really liked Wing Commander's 'kill group of enemies, warp to next group, kill them, warp to next group, kill them, end mission' gameplay... so simple, compared to better space sims...

Try this arguement with X-Wing, TIE Fighter, I-War, Battlecruiser, Freespace, X, or a dozen other games and you'd lose. Because those just AREN'T ACTION GAMES!

You basically admitted that I was right, and the only retort you could come up with was that TIE Fighter isn't like WC! THAT'S IT!!

You just happened to forget everything and didn't expect me to check previous posts. This is very, very pathetic and arguing with someone as inane as yourself is extremely tiresome. Just give it up already.