Mario Golf is out now

[A Black Falcon]

There's nothing like it! Battlezone is absolutely nothing like Twisted Metal or the battle mode in Mario Kart. It's a TANK game!

Not 'absolutely nothing'... not much, sure, but not nothing. After all in both you have a first-person viewpoint and have to drive around shooting at enemies in a field. Sure its not all that similar, but that IS a similarity in its most basic sense.

As for car combat, the first one I could find mention of is 1993's Battle Wheels for Atari Lynx... not sure if there was one before that. As for Twisted Metal, when did the first one of those come out?

Removing jumping doesn't make a drastically different game.

Its different. But I would call both action games, for sure.

It's perfectly appropriate for Mario Kart. As I said before, revolution means "Marked by or resulting in radical change", which is what Mario Kart did! It brought about a radical change to the racing genre, and it's pointless for you to try to refute that.

It really is pointless to argue over semantics like this...

So there you have it.

Yeah, whether or not it was the first FPS depends on how you define FPS. If you go by gameplay, it wasn't.

Must we go over the whole "you have low standards for racing games" thing all over again?

Its not low standards. Its what I like in racing games.

For instance... I know that F1 and NASCAR games are technically well done. However, to me, they are no fun at all... while Cruis'n, which I know is nowhere near as good as the best racing games, I find to be fun. Simple fun, and probably more fun when you don't play it that often (which is why i never bought one for n64 -- there are a lot of n64 games that are much more deserving of my money...), but fun nonetheless.

Oh, and I love how you take my list of great racing games, pull out a couple of them that you have issues with, and ignore the rest... because you know those are all good games, maybe? :)