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[A Black Falcon]

Actually the way Doom plays is very similar to something like Contra, and I'm not just talking about the fake 3D parts. In Doom you can only shoot along one horizontal line, in Contra you can only shoot in eight directions; in Contra all you do if fight hoards of enemies, in Doom all you do is fight hoards of enemies and find keys. Perspective is only paper-thin and if that's the only thing you can think of then you have a very limited imagination.

You are still ignoring the critical difference that Contra has LOTS of platform jumping and Doom has pretty much none... that makes for very different gameplay!

I never said that Mario Kart was technically innovative.

True. But you use such broad terms with it that it would be easy to infer that you sort of meant it.

The only thing that Mario Kart didn't completely change in that genre was the fact that you raced around a track. EVERYTHING else in the game is very innovative and changed the entire genre. Mario 3 is evolutionary, but Mario Kart is revolutionary.

Mario Kart did to the racing genre what Mario 64 did to the platform genre. And how do you define "revolution"? A sudden or momentous change in a situation. That is exactly what Mario Kart caused, but you of course would not know that since you did not play console games until the end of the N64's life.

This is getting very tiresome since you obviously don't know what you're talking about, so just quit trying to save your ego.

Fine. Lets just drop it. This clearly is going absolutely nowhere... "it was extremely innovative" "no, it was pretty innovative but not extremely innovative" "your an idiot no it was extremely innovative!" etc....



Then all I'll say is that, IMO, F-Zero is more fun that Mario Kart. The SNES games.

"It probably would have happened anyway"??? Oh now that's rich! You're losing this argument so badly that now you're trying to use that lame excuse. So I guess Wolfestein 3D really isn't that innovative since the FPS genre probably would have happened anyway, or the inventor of the toaster oven shouldn't be given any credit since the toaster probably would have been invented by someone else.

This is getting very pathetic, ABF.

There were already games where you drove around a arena and shot stuff.

There were games where you drove around a track and shot stuff.

Mario Kart just combined the two first, with a better variety of weapons than before.

Oh, and Wolf 3D wasn't the first FPS. ID made one before it...

The N64 may have a bunch of good unrealistic racers in its library, but at the time Rush 2 came out there weren't really any good regular car racers available.

I don't really like realistic racing games so I see absolutely nothing wrong with their lack on n64.