27th June 2003, 7:58 PM
Blinders, right.
As for Darunia... are you REALLY that stupid? I guess so... its just so sad to se someone who has convinced themselves that strong racism isn't just okay, its a good thing. Its so sad... and the way you say what you say offhand like "yeah I do that but it doesn't mean I hate them" is awful and idiotic.
You cannot be the way you say you are and not hate them. Its impossible.
I'd feel sorry for you if I wasn't thinking how awful your views are. It kind of makes feeling sorry for you impossible... you're just a misinformed idiot convincing himself that his absurd views are okay.
Ah, keep grudges forever. Great idea! Look where it got other people that do that!
How about the Slavs? Hundreds and hundreds of years of ethnic warfare is fine, right? I mean, who cares that the offences date back to the 1200s... you can never forgive! We should still be mad at them and should still be trying to kill them 500 years from now! I see the error of my ways now!
It also got the American Indians and Africans pretty far during the colonial days, huh?
You don't completely forgive the people responsible for what happened, but you have to recognize the circumstances and you can't blame the generations after them for anything.
And there are a lot of mitigating circumstances. In both of those socities, the government had total control. The people really didn't know... in Japan the government had the faith of the people and used that to do all kinds of things. It really shows what happens when the people believe absolutely in what they are told... its a scary thing for us, sure, but we can't just say 'its different so its bad'. We can say 'what they did is bad', but not 'they are evil because they did what they were trained from birth to do'... that'd be absurd...
As for Germany, it was pretty similar -- people just not ready for democracy, a major depression, a group blaming someone for their ills... it makes sense that the Germans would listen!
Of course, before the Depression no one did. In their first election the Nazis failed miserably. It was only the Great Depression that brought them to power... isn't it funny, the fact that our burst economic bubble is directly responsible for the European part of World War II?
Look. There are lots of people you can blame for all of this... some more guilty than others, sure. But there are lots to blame... and you are just taking it way, way too far. It was the result of a lot of circumstances beyond most anyone's control. Societies listened to people they shouldn't have, but in their situation I can't blame them much...
I don't hate them, I just insult them,, make fun of them, use derrogatory terms for them, refuse to try to understand the truth, and spew hate for their beliefs! That's not so bad!
Yes, actually, it is the same thing.
Your example, on the other hand, makes no sense.
Quote:...point being...? Am I trying to hide that? Just becuase you live in a peachy-lubby world of PC goodness and your standards are hippie-quality harmony doesn't mean mine are. I don't HATE anyone really...not the Japanese, not the Mexicans, not the Germans...but I do harbor grudges against some nationalities. Do I say Japs, and Spicks...? Yes. Do I dislike their culture and history...? Yes; based on very real historical evidence. DO I HATE THEM? Eh; no. I'm not trying to defend myself (nor should I even have to), but I'm just establishing a base to stand on.
As for Darunia... are you REALLY that stupid? I guess so... its just so sad to se someone who has convinced themselves that strong racism isn't just okay, its a good thing. Its so sad... and the way you say what you say offhand like "yeah I do that but it doesn't mean I hate them" is awful and idiotic.
You cannot be the way you say you are and not hate them. Its impossible.
I'd feel sorry for you if I wasn't thinking how awful your views are. It kind of makes feeling sorry for you impossible... you're just a misinformed idiot convincing himself that his absurd views are okay.
Quote:Forgive and forget? Oh; sure...that's find and dandy. Oh wait, no it's not...who started WWII, inwhich 50 million (that's 50,000,000!) people were killed...? Germany and Japan. Maybe you can shrug that off...but I can't so easily dismiss that as being ancient history. Those people were very real, and many of them would still be alive today, and if not, then their descendants would be.
Ah, keep grudges forever. Great idea! Look where it got other people that do that!
How about the Slavs? Hundreds and hundreds of years of ethnic warfare is fine, right? I mean, who cares that the offences date back to the 1200s... you can never forgive! We should still be mad at them and should still be trying to kill them 500 years from now! I see the error of my ways now!
It also got the American Indians and Africans pretty far during the colonial days, huh?
You don't completely forgive the people responsible for what happened, but you have to recognize the circumstances and you can't blame the generations after them for anything.
And there are a lot of mitigating circumstances. In both of those socities, the government had total control. The people really didn't know... in Japan the government had the faith of the people and used that to do all kinds of things. It really shows what happens when the people believe absolutely in what they are told... its a scary thing for us, sure, but we can't just say 'its different so its bad'. We can say 'what they did is bad', but not 'they are evil because they did what they were trained from birth to do'... that'd be absurd...
As for Germany, it was pretty similar -- people just not ready for democracy, a major depression, a group blaming someone for their ills... it makes sense that the Germans would listen!
Of course, before the Depression no one did. In their first election the Nazis failed miserably. It was only the Great Depression that brought them to power... isn't it funny, the fact that our burst economic bubble is directly responsible for the European part of World War II?
Look. There are lots of people you can blame for all of this... some more guilty than others, sure. But there are lots to blame... and you are just taking it way, way too far. It was the result of a lot of circumstances beyond most anyone's control. Societies listened to people they shouldn't have, but in their situation I can't blame them much...
Quote:Like father like son. I don't hate ANY single nationality(that's ignorant and archaic); but as I mentioned I have...hesitations about some. An example would be...Iraq. Some Iraqis don't like us. Do all of them WANT to kill us? No. But for that exception, should I like Iraqis?
I don't hate them, I just insult them,, make fun of them, use derrogatory terms for them, refuse to try to understand the truth, and spew hate for their beliefs! That's not so bad!
Quote:Not quite the same thing...yet when a 12 year old steals his mother's car and runs over and kills someone, who gets in trouble, the parents who were ignorant or the 12 year old?
Yes, actually, it is the same thing.
Your example, on the other hand, makes no sense.
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