6th June 2003, 3:27 PM
If you think debating is about convincing other people, I'd suggest better strategy than, "You don't know what you're talking about, shut up, grow up, I'm not going to listen to you."
I do want to have a discussion, if that's possible. I'm all for diversity of ideas. I want to honestly become the pupil. As such, I have many questions about your philisophy that I either do not understand or do not gel with my philosphies. In each case, I'll ask a question.
How so? If it's humanly impossible I understand, but how is that you become exempt when someone expects you to max out the human potential?
Can you define the human potential? Is that a human-wide standard, or an individualized potential? Should the parent encourage the child to be the best that he can be or demand that the child be the best that he can be? Will this create self-motivated individuals?
Yes, that's bad parenting. I'm talking about pushing them to get work done, do it right and take responsibility for it.
What if the child is taught to be self-motivated: he takes responsibility, gets his work done, and gets it right? Is it better to be self-motivated or motivated by a fear of punishment/pressure from parents? Is there a human-wide standard of "doing it right?" In other words, is 65% considered "doing it right?"
There is no balance, nor the perception of it in human social structures.
Okay, educate me. I have come to a personal conclusion that balance/imbalance has far-reaching social, historical, emotional, physical, biological, and aesthetic impact. Teach me why I am wrong.
Since you know everything, I would suggest you quickly become the President of the United States and then Leader of Earth. I mean think about it, you just contradicted everything that's already been proven and studied through human social development and then you say you know better? Come on.
Did I ever imply that I know everything? I'm human, it's impossible for me to know everything. If I knew everything, I would have known exactly what to say to bring about the best outcome for the entire world. But I don't know what the best thing to say is. I have an opinion, and just like everyone else, my pathology gets mixed up with this opinion. Obviously, if I don't know about everything that's been proven and studied through human social development, I don't know everything. Teach me. What has been proven and studied through human social development? Maybe then I can make an educated opinion?
If you think for one second that money has nothing to do with human beings and life itself in the survival of our species you couldn't be more wrong.
I would like a historical argument for this.
we instinctively want to jeopardize our relationships with our family and become ass-backwards rebellious dill-rods who want to fend for themselves because our brains are desperately trying to get it through our conscious minds that we aren't going to survive by depending on other people. And no you dont become just like them, you learn from it and become better than they are
If everyone lived like this, it seems to me that it would be a very sad world. Humans are inherently social beings. We depend on interaction with others to live. It confuses me when you claim that humans naturally desire to be independent from other humans. Life without emotional, social, or other commitments would seem sad.
Isn't it interesting that children grow up to have either very similar behaviors to their parents or the polar opposite behavior of their parents. If everyone learns from their parents, why does physical abuse run in families?
And now I’ve got you two telling me that we need more love and care when it's that very same ideal that creates fucking serial killers!
How does love and care create serial killers? From your previous post, why is it a good thing that fathers drink on the weekends?
Teacher, I must question why it is so important that people be raised as you were? Why is it so important to you that society fits your ideal of it? Aren't you taking responsibility for changing the society? In that case, aren't you doing the precise thing that you proscribe is the downfall of society?