Nintendo sucks

[Private Hudson]

None of the above are killer-apps. They do not have the name recognition or quality of games like Final Fantasy, MGS, or Zelda, for example. They sold well because of their online modes.

Have you even heard of Madden? It's one of the most popular franchises in the world. And the rest of the games had massive hype behind them.

Or hell, how about Tony Hawk 3 and 4? Because Tony Hawk isn't a popular franchise either, is it?

I won't bring up Final Fantasy, though. It's weighed down by a HDD. And obviously isn't going to increase the PS2's sales. :)

Nintendo is behind in hardware and software sales, and I was referring to both. If you do not think that the Gamecube would see a sizable increase in hardware sales if Nintendo released some AAA online-enabled games then you are out of touch with the gaming world.

No, it wouldn't see a sizable increase. The games are going to sell about a million by themselves. The people that would buy Mario Kart online are the same people who would buy Mario Kart offline.

None of those titles you listed are AAA-quality.[/b]

SOCOM (as far as it's online capabilities are concerned) is AAA.
NFL2K3 is the best football game ever
Madden 2003 is a great football game
Twisted Metal: Black is another AAA game (arguably the first on the PS2 - now online)
Tony Hawk 3/4 --> Both AAA titles
Amplitude is an amazing game (though not popular)
Ghost Recon - Although I didn't like it
Mech Assault is, IMO, XBox's best game - certainly AAA
Unreal Championship received a lot of positive reviews as well.

I could keep going on. Admittedly, only Madden and Tony Hawk are really toward the same level of Zelda and Final Fantasy.

[quote](except for Everquest which I've heard has sold relatively poorly)

Well, it's bogged down by a subscription. And because.. why buy it for PS2 if it's on PC. So I really shouldn't have brought it up ;)

If they were offline-only then I am 100% positive that they wouldn't have sold half the number of copies.

Some games, sure. SOCOM would have sold like shit, because it was made for online play.

But then look at a game like Ghost Recon, which is selling extremely well on both XBox and PS2... and it's not even online in the PS2 version. Tony Hawk and Madden would have sold millions regardless (as Tony Hawk 3 showed - most didn't bother to take it online)

And Zelda online would kick ass. Just imagine Four Swords in 3-D.

That's true. If done properly, it'd be amazing. :)

You've done absolutely no research on this, am I right? You simply pulled this information out of your ass. The online adapters for both systems have been selling at a very rapid pace since their release, and X-Box sales in Japan skyrocketed after the launch of X-Box Live.

Sky rocketted? I'm sure Microsoft are basking in the glory of their XBox selling less than the PSOne this week. Despite the XBox being online and the PSOne not ;) And could you get the exact sales figures and dates for when XBox outsold the GCN? I thought the only time it outsold the GCN was alongside Dead or Alive Volleyball (when GCN was in a major slump).

Also, XBL! Launched around the same time as DoA:XVB. Coincidence?

The X-Box even sold more units than the Cube in Japan for a week or so. The PS2 couldn't have sold more units than its current pace, but in the U.S. X-Box sales have increased since the introduction of X-Box Live.

Now whose the one who hasn't done research? XBox sales increased? Wow.. that wouldn't have anything to do with Christmas would it? What were the sales like after Christmas? XBL! itself has sold relatively well, but with only 350,000 of them sold, do you really think that it's effected the XBox's sales at all? Don't you think that perhaps the 6million XBox owners already might have snapped up the vast majority of those 350,000?

Online capabilities have not effected the hardware sales in any great capacity, nor will they. It's just not a major factor this generation, and it's certainly not necessary for Nintendo to get into gear on the issue. If you're arguing that CASUAL GAMERS why buy the GCN because of online Mario Kart and Zelda and what have you, I would seriously doubt it. They'll all be off playing SOCOM on the PS2 and Halo 2 on XBox. Nintendo games appeal to Nintendo players, online won't change that.