Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360?

[OB1]

Barely looks better than the XBox games. X-Box 1.5 indeed...

Seriously, I hope this isn't an indication of the graphical quality of XB360 games. I hope these are just really, really early renders from Team Ninja.

[Great Rumbler]

It looks pretty good...for this generation.

[OB1]

It looks great for this gen, but crap for next. Can't even touch Unreal 3 tech.

But let's reserve judgement until 6:30 PST tonight. Rare will be the deciding factor.

[Great Rumbler]

Can't even touch Unreal 3 tech.

Incidently, Silicon Knights has the exclusive rights to makes games based on the Unreal 3 engine.

[OB1]

Yeah.

[A Black Falcon]

Yeah, that looks great for this gen, but next-gen? I'd expect more...

As for SK and the Unreal 3 engine, I heard about that, interesting... I wonder if that says anything about what their next game will be...

[Great Rumbler]

Maybe we'll see some games based on it before the end of the decade.

[OB1]

All it says is that it should look purdy. Every game company and their uncle is using unreal 3 tech for next-gen.

[A Black Falcon]

The next generation of FPSes are mostly going to be powered by it or Doom 3, so I'm sure we will.

[Great Rumbler]

What about Quake 4?

[OB1]

Doom 3.

[Great Rumbler]

Okay.

[OB1]

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[OB1]

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[OB1]

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[Dark Jaguar]

That's a bit of a misunderstanding. The engines for various 3D computer games, mostly FPS games, but some adventure games too, did in fact use the same original game's engine, but not all, not by a long shot. And no, I don't mean the ones that looked aweful. I mean the ones that actually looked just as good but used a unique engine, simply so they had control over it. Nintendo won't be using the new unreal engine for sure, though games will likely look just as good as it, or better.

[OB1]

What on earth are you talking about.

[Great Rumbler]

Quotes please.

[A Black Falcon]

That's a bit of a misunderstanding. The engines for various 3D computer games, mostly FPS games, but some adventure games too, did in fact use the same original game's engine, but not all, not by a long shot. And no, I don't mean the ones that looked aweful. I mean the ones that actually looked just as good but used a unique engine, simply so they had control over it. Nintendo won't be using the new unreal engine for sure, though games will likely look just as good as it, or better.

I know, you can use an engine and make a very different game out of it... look at Anachronox made from the Quake II engine, for instance. But you can only do so much unless you completely redo the engine... engines are best at doing specific things. Like Prey is using the Doom III engine. The Doom III engine is best at doing encounters with small numbers of very highly detailed enemies. You could make it do crowds, but it's just not as good as that... like how Quake II struggled with outdoor areas and had size limitations.

Oh, and yes, you're right, lots of games don't use the big engines, but a lot do. The three Quake games have powered a LOT of games... there are some games that use new engines, but a significant number use already-existing engines. It's a lot easier.

[OB1]

What are you guys talking about...

[Great Rumbler]

I have no idea. But, I do have an idea about what the Xbox360 is going to be like.

[OB1]

You know, I was kind of worried that I might get convinced to spend $300+ on an XB360 this year....

Now I'm not.

[Great Rumbler]

We've seen two games so far and both look only SLIGHTLY better than current Xbox games. Remind me why MS expects people to pay $300+ for this?

[OB1]

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customizable faceplates!

Nintendo must be laughing their asses off right now. They are so going to own E3.

[Great Rumbler]

Unless MS has something better than this they're going to blown away by Nintendo and Sony.

[OB1]

Well Ghost Recon 3 looks better.

But not really next-gen...

[Great Rumbler]

I can't wait to see some in-game shots of PS3 and Revolution games.

[OB1]

Indeed. Matt-IGN is teasing us again like he did last year (which we found out was about Zelda). Look what he posted today:

I think it's about time, no?

So I'll just kick it off by stating that I'm excited about Revolution. I think Nintendo is finally getting with the program. Good stuff.

Let a new era of optimism shine its light unto the Nintendo boards.

Matt

Damn, it's almost here!

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It's like 5 days away!!!

[OB1]

I know!!! I'm hoping for leaks though!

[Great Rumbler]

Come on, you guys!! Post some leaks please!!

[OB1]

Yes please, so that I can make a leak in my pants! Hahaha, get it? Because I'd get so exicted and pee a little? Haha... ha..... ehh....

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[OB1]

When they show the Revolution I don't think I'd have complete control over my bladder!

[Great Rumbler]

I'm going to the bathroom before I start cruising the gaming sites!

[OB1]

And Episode III is the next day!

*hyperventilates*

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GGHGHGHAGAHGHGAHAGHGAHGAHGAHGAHGAHGAASHAHAH?!?!?!!! *has a heart-attack*

[A Black Falcon]

What on earth are you talking about.

Game engines... you know, the thing that powers games... and how often games use other games' engines... like with Heretic or Hexen on Doom, Hexen II or on Quake, Anachronox on Quake II, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force (& Star Trek Elite Force 2) on Quake III, Jedi Knight II or III on Quake III, etc, etc... (or for some upcoming games, Prey on Doom III, Duke Nukem Forever on Unreal Tournament, Quake IV on Doom III (I think), etc, etc... or the Build engine, which ran a long list of games from Redneck Rampage and Witchaven to Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior... you could expand this beyond FPSes, of course. For instance, the Infinity Engine runs Baldur's Gate I and II, Icewind Dale I and II, and Torment.

DJ seems to be saying that he thinks that games usually use original engines. I don't deny that, but definitely believe that lots of games use pre-existing engines. It's just so much quicker and easier to use a pre-existing engine, when compared to making something completely from scratch, that lots of developers take that path. Especially in genres like FPSes.

Oh, and it's really, really common for sequels to use improved versions of the engine created for the previous game.

Oh yeah... one last thing. DJ, you are absolutely right about one thing: I don't think we'll see Nintendo liscencing engines anytime soon.

[OB1]

But who the hell was talking about that!

[Great Rumbler]

DJ really does need to use quotes.

[OB1]

Yeah who on earth was talking about using engines in different ways? I don't think anyone was talking about that when DJ made that post.

[A Black Falcon]

But who the hell was talking about that!

GR said Silicon Knights is using the Unreal Engine. That's where it came from, discussing that.

[Great Rumbler]

DJ's post still makes no sense.

[A Black Falcon]

It's a bit confusing, but I understand his point.