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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
Barely looks better than the XBox games. X-Box 1.5 indeed...
Seriously, I hope this isn't an indication of the graphical quality of XB360 games. I hope these are just really, really early renders from Team Ninja.
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
It looks pretty good...for this generation.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
It looks great for this gen, but crap for next. Can't even touch Unreal 3 tech.
But let's reserve judgement until 6:30 PST tonight. Rare will be the deciding factor.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Quote:Can't even touch Unreal 3 tech.
Incidently, Silicon Knights has the exclusive rights to makes games based on the Unreal 3 engine.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
Yeah.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - A Black Falcon - 12th May 2005
Yeah, that looks great for this gen, but next-gen? I'd expect more...
As for SK and the Unreal 3 engine, I heard about that, interesting... I wonder if that says anything about what their next game will be...
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Maybe we'll see some games based on it before the end of the decade.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
All it says is that it should look purdy. Every game company and their uncle is using unreal 3 tech for next-gen.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - A Black Falcon - 12th May 2005
The next generation of FPSes are mostly going to be powered by it or Doom 3, so I'm sure we will.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
What about Quake 4?
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
Doom 3.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Okay.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Appropriate.
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Dark Jaguar - 12th May 2005
That's a bit of a misunderstanding. The engines for various 3D computer games, mostly FPS games, but some adventure games too, did in fact use the same original game's engine, but not all, not by a long shot. And no, I don't mean the ones that looked aweful. I mean the ones that actually looked just as good but used a unique engine, simply so they had control over it. Nintendo won't be using the new unreal engine for sure, though games will likely look just as good as it, or better.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
What on earth are you talking about.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Quotes please.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - A Black Falcon - 12th May 2005
Quote:That's a bit of a misunderstanding. The engines for various 3D computer games, mostly FPS games, but some adventure games too, did in fact use the same original game's engine, but not all, not by a long shot. And no, I don't mean the ones that looked aweful. I mean the ones that actually looked just as good but used a unique engine, simply so they had control over it. Nintendo won't be using the new unreal engine for sure, though games will likely look just as good as it, or better.
I know, you can use an engine and make a very different game out of it... look at Anachronox made from the Quake II engine, for instance. But you can only do so much unless you completely redo the engine... engines are best at doing specific things. Like Prey is using the Doom III engine. The Doom III engine is best at doing encounters with small numbers of very highly detailed enemies. You could make it do crowds, but it's just not as good as that... like how Quake II struggled with outdoor areas and had size limitations.
Oh, and yes, you're right, lots of games don't use the big engines, but a lot do. The three Quake games have powered a LOT of games... there are some games that use new engines, but a significant number use already-existing engines. It's a lot easier.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
What are you guys talking about...
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
I have no idea. But, I do have an idea about what the Xbox360 is going to be like.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
You know, I was kind of worried that I might get convinced to spend $300+ on an XB360 this year....
Now I'm not.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
We've seen two games so far and both look only SLIGHTLY better than current Xbox games. Remind me why MS expects people to pay $300+ for this?
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
...
customizable faceplates!
Nintendo must be laughing their asses off right now. They are so going to own E3.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Unless MS has something better than this they're going to blown away by Nintendo and Sony.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
Well Ghost Recon 3 looks better.
But not really next-gen...
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
I can't wait to see some in-game shots of PS3 and Revolution games.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
Indeed. Matt-IGN is teasing us again like he did last year (which we found out was about Zelda). Look what he posted today:
Quote:I think it's about time, no?
So I'll just kick it off by stating that I'm excited about Revolution. I think Nintendo is finally getting with the program. Good stuff.
Let a new era of optimism shine its light unto the Nintendo boards.
Matt
Damn, it's almost here!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
It's like 5 days away!!!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
I know!!! I'm hoping for leaks though!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Come on, you guys!! Post some leaks please!!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
Yes please, so that I can make a leak in my pants! Hahaha, get it? Because I'd get so exicted and pee a little? Haha... ha..... ehh....
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Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
When they show the Revolution I don't think I'd have complete control over my bladder!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
I'm going to the bathroom before I start cruising the gaming sites!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 12th May 2005
And Episode III is the next day!
*hyperventilates*
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 12th May 2005
GGHGHGHAGAHGHGAHAGHGAHGAHGAHGAHGAHGAASHAHAH?!?!?!!! *has a heart-attack*
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - A Black Falcon - 12th May 2005
Quote:What on earth are you talking about.
Game engines... you know, the thing that powers games... and how often games use other games' engines... like with Heretic or Hexen on Doom, Hexen II or on Quake, Anachronox on Quake II, Star Trek Voyager Elite Force (& Star Trek Elite Force 2) on Quake III, Jedi Knight II or III on Quake III, etc, etc... (or for some upcoming games, Prey on Doom III, Duke Nukem Forever on Unreal Tournament, Quake IV on Doom III (I think), etc, etc... or the Build engine, which ran a long list of games from Redneck Rampage and Witchaven to Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior... you could expand this beyond FPSes, of course. For instance, the Infinity Engine runs Baldur's Gate I and II, Icewind Dale I and II, and Torment.
DJ seems to be saying that he thinks that games usually use original engines. I don't deny that, but definitely believe that lots of games use pre-existing engines. It's just so much quicker and easier to use a pre-existing engine, when compared to making something completely from scratch, that lots of developers take that path. Especially in genres like FPSes.
Oh, and it's really, really common for sequels to use improved versions of the engine created for the previous game.
Oh yeah... one last thing. DJ, you are absolutely right about one thing: I don't think we'll see Nintendo liscencing engines anytime soon.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 13th May 2005
But who the hell was talking about that!
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 13th May 2005
DJ really does need to use quotes.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - OB1 - 13th May 2005
Yeah who on earth was talking about using engines in different ways? I don't think anyone was talking about that when DJ made that post.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - A Black Falcon - 13th May 2005
Quote:But who the hell was talking about that!
GR said Silicon Knights is using the Unreal Engine. That's where it came from, discussing that.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - Great Rumbler - 13th May 2005
DJ's post still makes no sense.
Dead or Alive 4... for the XB360? - A Black Falcon - 13th May 2005
It's a bit confusing, but I understand his point.