Anyone else played this game? It's AWESOME. Probably one of the best action/platformers of this generation. Maybe some of Sony's are better, but I haven't played them so I wouldn't know about that, but I what I do know is that Psychonauts should be played by all. Sadly it was not.
If anyone wants me to elaborate on Psychonauts I will.
I'd have gotten it if I had Windows XP, a PS2, or an Xbox... :( Tim Schaefer is amazing, one of the great developers... Maniac Mansion: Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle, and Grim Fandango? Um... yes, I want that...
Yes, and it's a very good game though not without a few minor faults. I'd definitely put it in my top three platformers of this generation (the original Jak & Daxter still being my number one).
Quote:I'd have gotten it if I had Windows XP, a PS2, or an Xbox...
Dude, you can get used PS2s [the redisgned ones] for less than $100. Not to mention that there are more games than just Psychonauts available for it.
Great Rumbler Wrote:Dude, you can get used PS2s [the redisgned ones] for less than $100. Not to mention that there are more games than just Psychonauts available for it.
I'd highly recommend getting a PS2. There are so many games (good and great ones) that you can't get on any other system.
$150 is far too much, and I haven't seen any used PS2s in a long, long time... the local gamestore has a bunch of PS2s, but they'[re all broken ones 'to be repaired someday'... like the five or six original-style NESes there. :)
The used consoles I have seen are the Atari 2600 (not all that interested), Genesis (almost convinced myself to get it, but not quite... I think I would have if I saw more good Genesis games around.), SNES (got it), PSX, PSOne (got it), and Gamecube... and obviously I have a GC. :)
You need to shop around more. I got my redesigned PS2 for about $120 at a local pawnshop and that was several months ago.
There are only so many places to look that have used consoles... and either way, I'm not getting another console right now. Maybe in the summer... depending on when Revolution comes out, probably...
You're missing out on an entire generation of games.
Eh, I'll catch up eventually... remember, I just got a SNES last summer, still don't have a Genesis (though that's probably the console I've played most that I don't own), and just got a PSOne within the last week...
... other than a PS2 and Xbox, I want a Genesis/32X/Segacd (though those have the standard 'batteries' problem that means that your saves will die... maybe get a real Sega CD to feel good about yourself and then play the games on your PC? :)) and a Dreamcast... though DC doesn't have that many exclusives, once you count all the games that have been re-released on PS2, Xbox, or GC, it has a few...
As for PS2 and Xbox though, at this point the question is if you should wait... it would seem to make sense. With the next generation here, they can't keep the prices for new consoles at $150 forever... and the X360's backwards compatibility list should grow, and we'll see how backwards compatible the PS3 is at some point (that is, how long the list of games that don't work right is, and which games those are)...
A Black Falcon Wrote:Eh, I'll catch up eventually... remember, I just got a SNES last summer, still don't have a Genesis (though that's probably the console I've played most that I don't own), and just got a PSOne within the last week...
... other than a PS2 and Xbox, I want a Genesis/32X/Segacd (though those have the standard 'batteries' problem that means that your saves will die... maybe get a real Sega CD to feel good about yourself and then play the games on your PC? :)) and a Dreamcast... though DC doesn't have that many exclusives, once you count all the games that have been re-released on PS2, Xbox, or GC, it has a few...
As for PS2 and Xbox though, at this point the question is if you should wait... it would seem to make sense. With the next generation here, they can't keep the prices for new consoles at $150 forever... and the X360's backwards compatibility list should grow, and we'll see how backwards compatible the PS3 is at some point (that is, how long the list of games that don't work right is, and which games those are)...
If I were you I'd hold out on buying any old systems. The reason being because I think publishers are going to take advantage of services like Revolution's Virtual Console and Xbox Live Arcade. That's why I just sold off my Super Nintendo and N64, I'm just going to rebuy the games I really want to have them all in one place. I just hope Nintendo releases some type of massive storage device because I plan on buying quite a few.
No, there's something different about actually owning the real game that isn't there for emulated ones... I thought about that when I got the SNES, but decided that it was worth it. In addition, I doubt that ALL SNES games will be available on the thing... or even just all the ones that I own the carts for... and the same goes for the N64 (though as newer it's a bit more likely, there are still games like ones from publishers that went out of business...)
In some cases buying the emulated version might well be worth it, if it's a battery-save game for instance, but that doesn't mean that old consoles aren't worth owning, for sure...
Quote: I just hope Nintendo releases some type of massive storage device because I plan on buying quite a few.
SD cards... 1GB+, if you spend the money...
A Black Falcon Wrote:No, there's something different about actually owning the real game that isn't there for emulated ones... I thought about that when I got the SNES, but decided that it was worth it. In addition, I doubt that ALL SNES games will be available on the thing... or even just all the ones that I own the carts for... and the same goes for the N64 (though as newer it's a bit more likely, there are still games like ones from publishers that went out of business...)
In some cases buying the emulated version might well be worth it, if it's a battery-save game for instance, but that doesn't mean that old consoles aren't worth owning, for sure...
SD cards... 1GB+, if you spend the money...
I value having all my games in one place over storing away consoles and cartridges. I plan on getting rid of my Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube as I upgrade to their successors.
Meh, whatever floats your boat.
I just don't understand why people would want to get rid of stuff just because it's older... it doesn't make the games any worse, and you're not going to be able to play everything you have/had for that old console again for quite some time, even if you ignore the advantage of actually owning the real cartridge/CD...
I'm a collector, so my systems rarely get sold.
I was once like you, but recently I realized I have far too much stuff. Much of it was game related, and I just don't have time for games like I used to. You're talking to someone who kept all the cartridges, boxes, and manuals, inserts, etc. in mint condition. (I got $60 for Final Fantasy III) I finally asked myself why I'm keeping it all and I really didn't have a good answer.
I've played most of the games I really enjoyed dozens of times through. Super Mario World, Donkey Kong Country, DKC 2, Uniracers, Final Fantasy III, Legend of Zelda A Link to the Past...been there, done that. It's very probable that I'll want to play some of them again and hopefully I'll be able to get them through the Revolution. If I don't, oh well, here's looking ahead.
Quote:it doesn't make the games any worse
Same with books I don't intend on reading again or movies I don't care to watch again, what's the sense in keeping them?
I used to be like that when I was younger. I sold most of my original NES games to get a SNES and almost immediately regretted it. Since then I've bought most of the games back. While I may go months or years at a time without playing a certain game the occasion almost always comes where I have the urge to play a game, and since I still have all of my system hooked up it is really easy just to pop a cartridge/CD in and play for a bit. I'm definitely a collector as I also have quite a lot of DVDs, and I would guess I keep things because if I buy something I want to be able to use it whenever I get the urge to, and if I get rid of it I have lost that privilege. I can be pretty random at times so the urge to watch or play something happens with me quite a lot, which is why I tend to hang on to things.
Yes, "I've played it before" is a fallacious argument, because you'll want to play it again and greatly regret losing it... I know that I wish I still had pretty much all of the games I had but have lost for various reasons (Mega Man 4 and Kirby 1 for GB, Micro Machines V3, Zelda: Seasons, and Mario Deluxe for GBC (I still have those last two actually, but the carts broke...), and a group of five papersleeve PC CDs I lost four years ago or so... (Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament, MechCommander Gold, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Death Rally, and Worms Armageddon).
Of those, the only one I don't miss is Worms Armageddon. And that's because it was no improvement over Worms 2, and I have Worms 2.
In short, I like being the person buying the older games other people have sold to the store, not the one selling them. :) My buying habits carry that out... I buy a lot of used games... (can't help it for older consoles, it's not exactly possible to get new PS1 or SNES games anymore... and I've bought 4 SNES and 8 PS1 games within the last few weeks. :) The majority of my purchases for consoles still being sold are new... not all, but a majority.)
Oh, I keep boxes and manuals, but not necessarially the ad inserts and health/safety warnings... and of course used games very frequently don't include manuals, or even boxes...
A Black Falcon Wrote:Yes, "I've played it before" is a fallacious argument, because you'll want to play it again and greatly regret losing it... I know that I wish I still had pretty much all of the games I had but have lost for various reasons (Mega Man 4 and Kirby 1 for GB, Micro Machines V3, Zelda: Seasons, and Mario Deluxe for GBC (I still have those last two actually, but the carts broke...), and a group of five papersleeve PC CDs I lost four years ago or so... (Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament, MechCommander Gold, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Death Rally, and Worms Armageddon).
Of those, the only one I don't miss is Worms Armageddon. And that's because it was no improvement over Worms 2, and I have Worms 2.
In short, I like being the person buying the older games other people have sold to the store, not the one selling them. :) My buying habits carry that out... I buy a lot of used games... (can't help it for older consoles, it's not exactly possible to get new PS1 or SNES games anymore... and I've bought 4 SNES and 8 PS1 games within the last few weeks. :) The majority of my purchases for consoles still being sold are new... not all, but a majority.)
Oh, I keep boxes and manuals, but not necessarially the ad inserts and health/safety warnings... and of course used games very frequently don't include manuals, or even boxes...
I sold them over a month ago and haven't regretted it one bit. Like I said, I really did play them too much. I had to force myself to finish Donkey Kong Country 2 last time I went through...it just wasn't as fun as it used to be (because I've played it so many times). That's saying alot since I consider DKC2 to be the best 2D platformer ever. I hadn't played my N64 in years. I'm hoping that their availability on the Revolution will spark a renewed interest. I'm still hanging on to my Dreamcast until I wear it out. I still get urges to play Samba De Amigo every now and then, but the other 28 games I have for it I haven't touched in a couple years.
What's the point of keeping my Xbox, PS2, or Gamecube if their successors are backwards compatible? To have two systems that play the same games?
I just don't like keeping alot of stuff anymore. It's not as if I can take it with me when I die. I enjoyed my time with them and there will be future games I can enjoy just as much.
I recently played some DKC2, loved it! I do have to wonder why you would force yourself to play it. You shouldn't be just pulling it out and saying "I should play this again". Put it AWAY for a while. Wait a few years. Eventually you may just suddenly WANT to play it, THEN you should play it. What, are you on some sort of gaming schedule or something?
So...Psychonauts...anyone ELSE played it?
Dark Jaguar Wrote:I recently played some DKC2, loved it! I do have to wonder why you would force yourself to play it. You shouldn't be just pulling it out and saying "I should play this again". Put it AWAY for a while. Wait a few years. Eventually you may just suddenly WANT to play it, THEN you should play it. What, are you on some sort of gaming schedule or something?
No, I said I forced myself to finish it. I wanted to play it and it was right towards the end when my interest just fizzled out. Seriously, all that was left was Bramble Scramble and the special levels. I finished it at 102% (that was my intention when starting it again) and put it away.
Psychonauts has some really awesome level design, especially in Lungfishopolis and The Milkman Conspiracy.
Quote:I recently played some DKC2, loved it! I do have to wonder why you would force yourself to play it. You shouldn't be just pulling it out and saying "I should play this again". Put it AWAY for a while. Wait a few years. Eventually you may just suddenly WANT to play it, THEN you should play it. What, are you on some sort of gaming schedule or something?
DJ is exactly right...
A Black Falcon Wrote:DJ is exactly right...
except that his assumption was entirely wrong.
Not really... but really, selling stuff just because you don't want to play it right now? So shortsighted... eventually yes much of it will become available, but who knows exactly when, and how much... and again, it's just not quite the same played in emulation... though if the Rev. has addon controllers that are exactly like SNES and N64 controllers that will be less true, I'm not so sure that that's going to happen. :) (and it's still not quite as good having it just on a HDD as opposed to being on real media... yes I know that carts have potential drawbacks too (mainly battery backup; 'potential' to signify that some games (parts of the GBA and N64 lineups) use flash memory backup), but... that's why you keep the cart, but get a download version too? :))
GO BUY PSYCHONAUTS RIGHT NOW!! I'm serious.
Who are you directing that at?
A Black Falcon Wrote:Not really... but really, selling stuff just because you don't want to play it right now? So shortsighted... eventually yes much of it will become available, but who knows exactly when, and how much... and again, it's just not quite the same played in emulation... though if the Rev. has addon controllers that are exactly like SNES and N64 controllers that will be less true, I'm not so sure that that's going to happen. :) (and it's still not quite as good having it just on a HDD as opposed to being on real media... yes I know that carts have potential drawbacks too (mainly battery backup; 'potential' to signify that some games (parts of the GBA and N64 lineups) use flash memory backup), but... that's why you keep the cart, but get a download version too? :))
Here's what you need to understand. I don't want to have to drag out my consoles from under my bed and deal with safely storing away cartrdiges and keeping them in such great shape as I did. I want them all in one place, the Revolution can offer that, the end. As far as the emulation goes, you can leave that judgement up to me, as I'm sure it varies from person to person. Perhaps you value playing it like it was originally intended to be. Me, I don't care anymore.
DKC2, DKC, Mario World...I've played them so many times that in every level I know exactly where the secrets and bonus stages are. I beat Uniracers again, almost a decade later and it's not as fun as I remember it being. I know the patterns of the enemies, I know what level is next and everything that I can do in it. Can you understand that that just isn't as fun as it used to be when I first discovered it?
Secondly, I don't need to keep so much stuff. I'm appaled at all the crap I have that I rarely use. When I moved in December I swore to myself that I'd have less shit to move next time.
Lastly, I don't know why this matters to you so much. I did what I did and I'm very satisfied with myself.
You really, REALLY, need to buy a PS2, ABF. I'm completely serious here.
Great Rumbler Wrote:You really, REALLY, need to buy a PS2, ABF. I'm completely serious here.
ABF, listen to him. There are so many games to enjoy. Go get one.
Let it be known that Psychonauts is not a terrible game.
It is in fact one of the best games I've played in a while. It's like somewhere between Invader Zim and Tim Burton's stuff.
Why didn't this game sell well? I mean I want closure, meaning a sequel! It's all a conspiracy, with grieving widows and den mothers!
My milk is fortified with what the world wants... what the world NEEDS...
Maybe I'll get Psychonauts when I get a new PC in a few months that can finally run the thing... :)
Just make sure you get a decent PC controller. This game really is designed for control pads.
Quote:Why didn't this game sell well?
Your guess is as good as anyone else's.
Quote:Just make sure you get a decent PC controller. This game really is designed for control pads.
Erm... I've had gamepads for my PC for ten years... true, my current one has issues (the d-pad broke off of my p880) but the analog stick is still fine and I'll probably get yet another gamepad later this month to replace it anyway (because none of the four I have work properly... :)).
Quote: Just make sure you get a decent PC controller.
Like an Xbox360 controller.
Well if it's just the direction pad that's broken, it'll work fine. The XBox 360 controller is good too.
The X360 controller would not be a good choice because it maps some of the shoulder buttons as analog axes, I believe... I had a pad that did that, and it was awful! Lots of games only let you map buttons as actions, not axes... and plus, it's $40. This Saitek p880 was $20 a few years ago... and yeah, it's partially broken, but it does work for some things, and is a pretty good controller overall, despite a few flaws.
Most importantly perhaps, though, it has six face buttons. The X360 pad has only four. All of my PC gamepads have six face buttons, and I am not going to change that as long as there are decent six-button pads available... the layout is so much better than four button ones that settling for only four really isn't even worth seriously considering, to me.
There are alternative drivers for the pad you know, ones that let you map the buttons and sticks as you see fit. That's what I use.
But does MS have such software for the X360 pad? And does it let you map axes as buttons?
Either way though that doesn't change the not-so-great basic design of the pad...
What, exactly, is wrong with the Xbox360 controller?
A Black Falcon Wrote:But does MS have such software for the X360 pad? And does it let you map axes as buttons?
Either way though that doesn't change the not-so-great basic design of the pad...
What do you think I was talking about? It's unofficial, but the driver I'm talking about does let you do all that, including changing an axis into a button press, and adding dead zones.
GR, you should know the problem ABF has is that he HATES the 4 shoulder button design. I myself like it, because in some cases (where you are using both control sticks all the time, like in an FPS) it really helps. That said, I would like it if they had both a 4 button shoulder setup and 6 button layout for the face buttons.
Quote:What, exactly, is wrong with the Xbox360 controller?
"+" means a good thing, "=" a neutral, "-" a bad thing.
Original Xbox Controller ("fat" one)
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+ good button layout -- almost a six-button design. Not quite as good as one, but close...
+ triggers instead of shoulder buttons
+ good analog sticks and (small, but Sidewinder-style) dpad
- should have a real six button layout with C and Z, not this offset design
Xbox Controller S (when compared to the original pad)
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+ still has six buttons on the face and two triggers, unlike the 360 controller
= analog sticks are different; not better or worse I think, just different.
= the controller's smaller size really doesn't matter one way or the other
- dpad made normal crosspad design; still fine, but the Sidewinder style is a bit better, I thought.
- black/white and start/back button layout is horribly messed up, making it kind of like having four face buttons with two weird ones in the corner. Major flaw!
Xbox 360 Controller (when compared to the original Xbox controller or even the S)
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= returns start and back to the center of the controller like the original pad and unlike the very strange S design (+ compared to S, = compared to original)
= the rest of the controller's features
- four face buttons (idiots...)
- shoulder buttons in addition to triggers (horrible, horrible design decision!)
- Tries to make you to have wireless controllers for a full setup of four (unless you use a USB hub, possibly?)
- no ports for memory cards/headsets/etc, forcing wireless headsets and fewer memory cards per system (perhaps not as imporant with a hard drive, but still a negative)
... yes, I prefer the original Xbox controller. I was at my cousins' for a few days this week, played some Xbox (since I gave them Guilty Gear X2 #Reload... :)). I definitely still prefer the original controller, though the S is decent too. None of the three are as good as the GC controller though, certainly...
Quote:had both a 4 button shoulder setup and 6 button layout for the face buttons.
There are some PC gamepads like this, actually... I don't have one, but I think the newer Saitek p990 has dual shoulder buttons while keeping the six face button layout, for example.
Quote:- four face buttons (idiots...)
I really don't understand your love for six face buttons and I've never felt like a controller really needed more than four. That's a neutral, as far as I'm concerned.
Quote:- shoulder buttons in addition to triggers (horrible, horrible design decision!)
They work just fine.
Quote:- no ports for memory cards/headsets/etc, forcing wireless headsets and fewer memory cards per system (perhaps not as imporant with a hard drive, but still a negative)
Headset plugs into the controller, chief. And you shouldn't buy the 'tard pack anyway, it's pretty much worthless. Harddrive >>>>>>> Memory cards. You can use two memory cards at a time anyway, the same as the GC and PS2.
Xbox 360 controller > than any other controller before it
If you bother to look up reviews and impressions of the 360 hardware close to launch, you'll see that the controller was very well received. Many proclaimed it as the most comfortable console controller yet.
Four buttons works fine, and the shoulder + triggers work so much better than 4 shoulder buttons (Playstation controller). I suspect you just haven't given yourself adequate time to adapt.
Quote:Xbox 360 controller > than any other controller before it
I don't know if I'd necessarily go that far, but there's certainly nothing terribly wrong with it.
Actually, the best gamepad ever is still the N64 controller. Absolutely no question about it.
Quote:I really don't understand your love for six face buttons and I've never felt like a controller really needed more than four. That's a neutral, as far as I'm concerned.
And I've never understood why so many people don't care about how Sony has destroyed the six-button controller (Saturn and N64 had six, PSX four...)...
Quote:They work just fine.
No, they don't. You need the same fingers for both sets of buttons, meaning either you have to clumsily use your middle fingers for the triggers (awkward) or ignore the upper shoulder buttons (the best idea, like the Z button on the GC they should not exist)... neither option is really a good one. Why can't they just see that the best solution is a standard 6-button layout with two triggers and no shoulder buttons? :( It's so much easier to use and more effective...
Quote:You can use two memory cards at a time anyway, the same as the GC and PS2.
Actually, I think that all consoles should support four cards like the N64 did (as well as the Dreamcast and Xbox), so that's not a good point. It's a negative for all of those systems. :)
It's also more convenient to have the memcard port in the controller than in the system, for all of those stupid games that force you to use port one and require you to switch cards to use them since one card usually can't hold everything...
The harddrive point is good though, as I said. Still, having the option is a good thing.
Quote:If you bother to look up reviews and impressions of the 360 hardware close to launch, you'll see that the controller was very well received.
Of course I know that. My point is that I disagree with their assessment...
Quote:or ignore the upper shoulder buttons
Why would you ignore them? They're easy to use; much more so than the Z-button on the GC controller [which wasn't nearly as bad as some people made it out to be].
Quote:Actually, I think that all consoles should support four cards like the N64 did (as well as the Dreamcast and Xbox), so that's not a good point.
The only reason that was an issue back was because memory cards were so small. Xbox360 memory cards are 64MB, more than enough to hold all your saved games.
Quote:for all of those stupid games that force you to use port one
Do such games even exist anymore?