Whoo!
p.s. I finished MGS3, amazing game. The story does indeed wrap up nicely, and ties in with the other games well. It also seems to go to nice efforts to point you in the direction of why Big Boss himself defected in the first Metal Gear game. Yummo.
So what do you think of RE4?
Did you find out why you shouldn't hide... anywhere? :D
I only just started, but it seems muchos fun. I love shooting at the arms of villagers so that they can't throw hatchet's at me! And that incendiary grenade should be a BLAST........hehe hehehehehhahahahah HAHAHHAAHAHAHHA
Just wait until you get the rifle with the scope. It's very satisfying to shoot off a villager's head at 100 paces, epsecially when there just standing around acting stupid.
Also for added fun, shoot their legs and then when the fall down on their knees do a suplex on them.
Shoot their legs!! Why didn't I think of that!!?
Saves a lot of bullets when you shoot them once in the legs and then just stab them to death.
Decent game, kind of a disappointment thus far, though. Perhaps I brought it upon myself by intentionally avoid previews/reviews, but I was kind of hoping this game would take the series back to it's hay-day. Given that REmake was such a large step in the right direction (though I never played RE 0) I'm kind of wondering when it's going to become less action and more survival horror.
Hell, at least when the series started leaning more towards action (RE2) it actually took a few hours before the Survival Horror disapated.
Other than my fond remembrance of the original game, it's solid.
I avoid reviews a lot these days too, but I do tend to at least get an idea of what the gameplay is supposed to be like before diving in. In other words, I had hoped you would have read by now, at the very least, that the general idea is that this game is a massive departure from the previous RE games. In face, Code Veronica (a game that is pretty much exactly like the rest of the series) should have been called 4, and this one could be known simply by a subtitle.
Quote:more survival horror
One word: Regenerators
It'll be a while, but once you get there... :)
Quote:I was kind of hoping this game would take the series back to it's hay-day.
More than anything, RE4 takes the series in a whole new direction and not back to its roots. I beat the game this past weekend and I loved every minute of the games, but then I've never really been a big fan of survival horror games, so maybe that has something to do with it. I think the game does get better though as you progress through it, so maybe you'll start to enjoy it more.
The game is getting more and more enjoyable, but purely because it's becoming more and more action oriented.
Regenerators? Are they the guys who once you blow their heads up, the big squid things pop out of them?
And by taking it back to it's roots, I didn't necessarily mean it had to be an exact copy of REmake (though that would be fantastic..). I was expecting it to be different, but I wasn't expecting it to become even more action oriented.
One positive at least is that I don't have any herbs/eggs/fish/aid sprays left. It's adding a little bit of tension.
Of course, this doesn't mean that I'm not enjoying the game. I do like it a lot. But I may just return it to EB if I finish it in the next couple of days, and pick up a 2nd hand copy of REmake.
RE4 is so much better than all of the previous RE games put together it's not even funny.
And it's LONG. If you beat it within the next couple of days then you have no life!
I'm on holidays from work!
Pfft, still. It's the end of summer over there! Go outside, have some fun! Ride a kangaroo, pet a dingo! Fight a croc!
My...
my girlfriend and I are taking a day trip to Moreton island to swim at the beach, go sand taboggoning and feed some dolphins...
..Is that good enough?
....
damn you, ocean-boy.
I miss the ocean... I want to feed some damn dolphins...
Okay! Wait by the end of the street, I'll be there in a sec!
Quote:Regenerators? Are they the guys who once you blow their heads up, the big squid things pop out of them?
No, believe me you'll know what the Regenerators are when you start fighting them. :)
The ocean is nice...
Okay, you can't swim in it in this state unless you like hypothermia. But still, it's nice. The Maine coast is pretty.
As for RE, RE4 is a new direction. RE0 was 'more of the same'... and people have gotten tired of 'more of the same', which is why RE4 has done so well.
Which Holiday are you celebrating in Australia right now? Nothing going on in America, well maybe something Jewish...
... it's... it's Kangaroo Day...
:crap:
Sorry, that was the best I could come up with...
I have a full-time job and am currently taking 2 weeks of holidays which I have accrued since I started working there.
Ah, vacation. That would be a swell thing to have one day.
Well.. vactation, except I'm not actually going anyway. I'm saving a couple of weeks for Winter, when I'll go down south to the snow! I've never seen snow before.
Back onto the game, I only just got out of the village! The game is obviously much bigger than I thought. Hell, the map for this castle is MASSIVE!
But I wouldn't know that!
Don't listen to him, snow is great...
Oh, vacation...
I forgot about that odd British (and apparently Australian) slang phrase, "holiday", which you use not just for REAL holidays (meaning the ones Americans call holidays, you know, the right way :D) but for imagined ones like vacations. Yeah, I guess you could consider a vacation "holy" too.
As to snow, let it be known I guess that there are good parts and bad parts of snow. ABF focuses on the good, OB1 on the bad. When you get those two together.....
GR: I smell a sitcom!
Yeah, thanks to new sitcom spray! Now your home too can smell of laugh track!
Wow... what are the odds that ABF and OB1 would manage to have an arguement about snow!
We disagree about how good winter is, yes. :)
I have a car and have to drive places every day. ABF stays in doors at all times and doesn't have a car. So you do the math...
You dislike winter. Those things don't change anything... after all, it's not like everyone in the northeast hates winter. And that includes adults. :)
Why can't you just admit that there are good things about winter... sure, you don't do some of them (skiing, for instance). But the fact that you don't do them doesn't make them irrelevant, or count as any kind of point against them as fun activities...
And I just don't like hot weather. It probably comes with living in a cold state.
Well I live in a nice climate. We have hot weather, but we never get too hot. I think Summer will average a nice mid 30degree celcius range. And in winter, the coldest our city has ever gotten, in recorded history, is 1 degree celcius, I believe. So yeah, weather is nice her all year round.
But I've never once seen snow. So that's why I'd love to see it. Do some skiing, dress like George in the Seinfeld episode that he gets his Gortex coat! That's the icing on the cake right there.
Celsius? What is this "celsius"?
Something involving a complicated formula that makes it an intelligible temperature... :)
Whatever. Fahrenheit totally kicks it booty all the way to absolute zero!
How is Fahrenheit better than Celcius?
Uhh... because there are more degrees without having to use decimals, making it easier to differentiate temperatures? :)
Decimals aren't a big deal to me. Fractions, those get annoying.
Kelvin, now that's a fun one. It's the Celsius degrees only with 0 placed at the point where things stop vibratin' entirely on the atomic level.
32 Degrees = The Real Freezing Point
RE4 is more action than Survival Horror? what does that mean? Survival Horror denotes action! You try to SURVIVE in an environment of HORROR. Diseased monster people run at you with knives and squid-heads and you shoot them or run. Fight or flight. Instincts, man! Monsters with yuck and gross fling at you with EW and NASTY and you DIE so you SHOOT THEM with ACTION. Come on!
Once start having to protect Ashley it starts to be more about survival.
Yep, but there's also the simple fact that in previous games the idea was to conserve ammo and health items, meaning you did whatever it took to avoid confrontation. Basically, hide and seek with idiots.
So what you're saying lazy is that any game where you're trying not to die should be in a genre prefixed with a "Survival"?
The reason it was called Survival horror is what DJ stated above. It was not a game about action, rather suspense and tension. Action was a last resort that you could not look toward at all times because if you did, you would not survive because you would run out of bullets.
I'm starting to really love the game, but certainly no where near the level of REmake, or the original Resident Evil. The whole shoot the hell out of endless waves of enemies is too reminiscent of Halo for my liking. ;) Hell, throw in a strafe function (which would be handy, btw) and you have a standard Third Person shooter in a horror setting. Though, an admittedly good third person shooter. OH NO!! Ashley is trying to turn the crank but there are diseased cult members after her!! Thank god I have this TMP with 150 bullets and a shotgun with 30!! That'll completely kill the tension nicely!!
And the villagers are far too much like zombies for the whole "There's no zombies in this game" deal to work.
And god forbid that we have half decent puzzles.
Also, their efforts to avoid backtracking (which really did enrich the whole atmohsphere of previous games) resulted in redundant level design. Instead of exploring and noting that you'll have to come back to this room later and things of that nature.. It's all laid out for you. Can't get past those horses with fire shooting out of them? Don't worry, there's a key right next to them that'll open a door 12 meters behind you where you can beat a simple boss character to turn off a switch that'll stop the fire flowing! Jesus, why not just have a big dude guarding the entrance where the fire horses were! Not to mention that as soon as you get through that area, you get to take on 30 zomb.. I mean villagers all at once! Wow, survival!!!
p.s. Great game. :)
p.p.s. (0 degrees = water freezes) + (100 degrees = water boils) = clearly superior.
I thought that RE4 was a lot less redundant in level design that any of the other Resident Evil games, once you make it past the area with the village. For the first few hours you're in the ares around the village, but after that you got a lot of different areas like a lake, an industrial facility, a crumbling ruin, and an old prison.
Backtracking through the same rooms in some of the other RE games looking for keys and crests just wasn't that appealing to me.
1.) Resident Evil 4 is designed for th gameplay to choose what he wants to do. Do you run from the monsters or attack them? If you conserved your ammo, you can kill them all and make the area safe (sometimes). I can go through any Resident Evil game and kill everything with shotguns and rocket launchers, but the idea is that you conserve those weapons for larger enemies or kill-or-be-killed situations.
2.) Suspense and tension is generated by the game player's take on the situation. You find a letter describing a creature called El Gigante, and that this creature has been let loose for the purpose of killing you. This simple foreshadowing is what creates suspense. When the chainsaw maniac is running at you, do you run away, or use a weapon? if you do use a weapon, do you use a handgun to throw some pot shots at him, or do you use the shotgun to slow him down or even knock him down? Which weapon has the most ammo? He's getting closer, should you run in to a building? You even described the scene with Ashley turning the cranks on the platform and using a shotgun to kill off the baddies. That shotgun has a huge spread from that distance, are you going to hit Ashley? Is the weapon strong enough to kill off the monsters from that distance? What about the enemies that are now right next to you? This is how tension is generated. If you conserved your ammo and made sure to explore everything and collect every ammo box and herb, then all you have to worry about is killing them off before they get to Ashley.
3.) The Genre term "Survival Horror" comes FROM Resident Evil, Capcom coined the genre. It means a video game where you try to survive horrors, such as monsters in a spooky, cinematic setting. In every RE game, you can run from something, or kill it. Your choice, choose what is the better long term strategy.
4.) Halo? What the fuck did I miss?
5.) There is no strafe function because it creates a more suspensful setting, player-to-character interaction. Every Resident Evil game is a third person shooter in a horror setting, that's what Survival Horror games are.
6.) They are Ganados, victims of Los Plagas, a parasitic creature. They are no longer human. Zombies from previous RE games are human beings infected with a man-made viral strain that was never intended to be unleashed in such a massive outbreak, but rather through a controled environment to create bio-weapons such as the Tyrant Project. These viruses are owned by Umbrella (who is dismembered in RE4). Your claim that the villagers act too much like Zombies makes no sense to me. Zombies cant run, dodge, think, carry weapons, use machinery or drive a truck. Never at any time in any Resident Evil game did a zombie ever run after me, climb a latter and throw a pitchfork at me, or throw anything for that matter. Zombies consume flesh and try to eat you, Ganados simply want you dead for the sake of their religion and their plan.
7.) There are more puzzles in RE4 than any other RE game, including some that require to have a knowledge of math and basic color wheels. Far more complex than "get a key, use a key". Or did you mean something else?
8.) Let me try to understand you.
You complain of a lack of suspense and tension, and then complain of the suspense and tension...?
You approach, a door and check it: "It's locked. It's a sturdy door, a prison perhaps?" so you check the hall way next to it, it's blocked. You find a key on a painting and you try it on the prison door, you unlocked it. You tell Ashley to wait, so you can make sure it's safe and you go down in to the dark dungeon. There is a man behind prison bars chained to the wall, his eyes have been sewed shut and he is wearing an iron suit. There is a switch next to him...
And then you say "why cant there just be a big dude blocking the hall way". Well Hudson, it wouldn't be suspensful or generate tension if there was.
When you enter next area, you are quickly surrounded in one of the best parts of the game. Now you decide how you turn the crank to get the stairs down while avoiding dozens upon dozens of enemies and then raise the platforms in the water to escape.
These are the same type of situations from previous Resident Evil games including REmake. Then you finish up by saying great game btw. Well, you're obviously trolling.