Quote:The latest issue of GamePro magazine has declared that despite the GameCube version of Soul Calibur II outselling the other versions it seems that Soul Calibur III will be exclusive to the PS2.
Apparently Namco were tempted into doing so by Sony and snapped up the chance. While it is not known if this is just a timed exclusive, such as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas or a permanent one it is certainly disappointing news for GameCube and Xbox fans.
However it is always important to remember that this is the April edition of GamePro, so there is a chance this could be a hoax. Expect some kind of official word from either Namco or GamePro soon.
That would be incredibly dumb if it's true. Afterall, the GC version sold better than the other versions.
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... that would be pretty stupid, especially because of those sales in Soul Calibur 2... :(
Well, it sold better because of Link. And I dare say that the majority of people who bought the games own more than one console..
Besides, they could always add Link to the PS2 version.. ;)
Also, it makes me wonder whether or not this is true, as the PS2 already has Virtua Fighter 4:Evo exclusive, not to mention Namco's latest offerring of Tekken (5) has, IMO, taken back the crown of best fighting game it has a lot of competition to go up against. I'm sure it'll sell decently, regardless. We should all just hope that they put more effort into it this time, and don't just release Soul Calibur 1.5 again.
Besides, if you want to play fighting games, go to an arcade you sissies. ;)
Yeah, they really are... online play is where multiplayer fighting games are headed, I think, though right now you can only get that on X-Box Live...
Arcades are dead? Well, I suppose they aren't as widely popular as they used to be, but I'm sure there are still a few very popular arcades in populated cities around your country, and indeed mine. Why else would a website like TekkenZaibatsu still be so popular? I lurk there everyday (the forums) and there's always discussions about the latest tournaments, and how to beat certain players, what ranking your characters are, etc. etc. etc. all from the perspective of people playing in arcades.
Perhaps you have to be a Tekken fan to really enjoy arcades, as it's more than likely the most popular fighting game by quite a margain. In arcades that is.
Well you live in Australia, where people outlaw violent games and ride kangaroos to work. Here in the US arcades have been dead for a long time.
There are a few successful big arcades, but on the whole the industry's dead.
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Quote:Matt responds: Strange as it sounds, this news appears to be true. For now, at least, Soul Calibur III seems to be a PlayStation 2 exclusive. My head spun when I first read that, and again when I confirmed it, because it frankly doesn't seem to make a whole lot of sense. I hope Sony is rewarding Namco with a fat, juicy paycheck to dismiss much stronger sales of the title on GameCube. My feeling at this point is that this is probably a time-stamped exclusive, meaning that Sony will get it for three or four months, and then Namco will bring it over to GameCube, Xbox (or Xenon). I think that's going to backfire in a big way, though, particularly where GameCube owners are concerned. The rule of thumb for Nintendo fans seems to be that if they don't get it first, or with some form of exclusivity, they don't want it at all.
Well the thing is, those sales WOULD have just shifted straight on over to the PS2 version if Link wasn't in the GCN version. I mean, assuming all those GCN owners had PS2s as well. I'm pretty sure they won't be losing that many sales with this move, at least not nearly as many as people seem to think.
And yes, arcades in the US are all but dead. They still exist, but for example, I can only think of two arcades, total, in all of Tulsa. There WAS like 4 :D, but two of them have already had to close down. Problem is, they only make just enough money to stay open, not enough to update their games, and so once the arcade is in a situation like the closed ones got in, where they are still stuck with Killer Instinct 2 and Marvel vs Street Fighter (not Capcom, the OLD game), well, who's going to come for that? They sell the old arcade cabinets on eBay and close up shop, or they just sell half the machines, replace them with a kid's activity center, and turn it into a super happy birthday fun zone.
DJ, not all Cube owners have PS2s, certainly, and because Link was in the game Soul Calibur 2 certainly attracted plenty of Cube owners who don't own the other consoles... sure, the PS2 sales will be higher if it's the only version, or a limited-time exclusive, but still, I think that if it was also out on GC at launch, and with something special (more than just Link, perhaps?), the GC version would again have a good chance of outselling it.
Holy shit what a stupid idea. They have the sales data in front of them, they know the GC version sold more than the other two which means that Gamecube owners are now looking forward to a sequel and then poof.
I wonder how the hardcore fans are taking this...
Soul Calibur III scans from Famitsu:
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Yeah as logical as that sounds, DJ, it isn't really true. Just look at the sales for VJ2 for an example. If the game had been GC-exclusive like the first one it would certainly have sold much better than it did (it sold very poorly), but GC owners did not care because there was nothing exclusive about it. The same goes for SCII. If Link wasn't in the game then far fewer GC owners would have bought the game, for any system. The chance to play Link in a fighting game was impossible to resist.
Idiotic move by Namco, no doubt.
Oh and the new characters look terrible. Horrible designs.
Yeah, it definitely appears to be true that Cube owners only buy games if either there's something exclusive (much better if it's also out at the same time as the other versions) or if it's an exclusive game...
I'm not sure I follow. I never buy a game JUST because I can only get it on a system. I have to also WANT it. I mean, why would they not WANT the game just because it's also on PS2? That doesn't make any sense. Could it also be that they wanted the first one but after that they didn't want what was basically just more of the same? Without some sort of survey to check for that, it's hard to say which it was there...
Uhh... I thought this had been pretty much proven over the years... VJ2 is a perfect example. It sold badly. And worse on PS2 than GC, I think. Why, after VJ1's relative success? I'd put it squarely on the fact that a PS2 version came out too... it wasn't exclusive or special anymore. And look at how Nintendo is doing all these deals to put Cube exclusive extras in games (Punch-Out in Fight Night, Mario team in that baskebtall game, etc)... Nintendo isn't doing it for fun, they're doing it because they know otherwise those games wouldn't sell at all on Cube because Cube owners just don't seem to care much about most third-party games...
I thought of the 'more of the same' thing, but that should affect sales on all systems equally as opposed to more so on one system than any other.
And also, as of right now it's PS2 exclusive, not PS2 first. Maybe that'll change later, but who knows.
ABF is exactly right, Nintendo fans want their exclusives. Like I mentioned a few months ago, most Nintendo fans have never even thought about NBA Street until they heard about the exclusive Nintendo characters being put into the game. DJ, you didn't even think that it was a good game. You soon found out about the great scores that it got, but the whole thing did prove a point. The NBA Street Mario deal wasn't nearly as good of a move as putting Link in SC II, but Nintendo knows what they need to do to get third-party games to sell to their fans.
So.. umm..
Wouldn't it be cool if all the Nintendo characters were playable in TimeSplitters: Future Perfect. And, umm.. there were even specially designed Nintendo levels. And even a Mario/Zelda tileset for the Map Maker!?! Fuckin A I'd buy that game.
I want a game where you can play as Miyamoto-Link.
Eh, Time Splitters 2 really isn't that good... Well, I didn't think so anyway. Better than a lot of FPS games out there, buuuut a huge let down considering I was expecting a Perfect Dark killer.
Actually, if TS3 had like Samus Aran, Joanna Dark, Megaman, etc as playable characters that would be really cool and it would make sense alot more than other mascots like Link or Mario.
Although a melee fighter in a first person shooter would be pretty awesome, you'd be bad as fuck if you could actually win. :D
Well lazy, actually they have done that.... It's some XBox game... like an entry in the Unreal series. They went and added close range fighting to it. Also Halo 2 has a kickarse weapon that DEFINES close range combat in the form of a laser sword. It's amazing how much arse you can kick with that no matter what the enemy has if you can just get in a closed space to take people on. Well, the trick there is they made it so that when you are within 3 meters of the enemy, if you are targetting them, you can click and you will instantly close the distance in a second and kill them. Dashing around the room that way makes it very hard to target you.
Why on earth did you expect TS2 to be a PD-killer? PD took 4+ years to make, TS2 took less than 2. Are you again going to claim that I stated such? Which is a complete fabrication, btw.
If you were expecting a PD killer, you obviously hadn't played TS1. The games emphasis was always on multiplayer (and IMO, that facet of the game did surpass PD)and a greatly improved single player. I don't think anyone was thinking that the game would be some sort of campaign mode masterpiece, as good as it was.
And TS was always cartoony (Future Perfect a little less so..) so I think Mario and Link could fit in. Though, I guess they'd have to only character a bow and arrow/bombs and shoot fireballs.. It'd still be cool to be playing deathmatch with Mario's theme music in a Mario styled world!
TS2 was good game, not PD or Goldeneye good, but good in its own rights. Plus it had some really cool multiplayer modes and such.
Sounds completely uninteresting. :)
That's because you're different, ABF. Too different to enjoy the simple pleasures of life, like TS2 and Resident Evil 4. It's a shame really.
Not to mention oral sex!
...I'm assuming that he doesn't enjoy that.
I haven't played Timesplitters... just commenting on it based on the fact that it's a primarially multi-player FPS, and I've never been able to keep myself interested in multiplayer FPSes for very long periods of time...
Actually I am talking multiplayer... The physics just don't feel right.
And I quote:
OB1 Wrote:Hey if you want Perfect Dark 0 just wait for Time Splitters 2!
He'll find a loophole, DJ... :)
Now I've been searching the archives for that quote, but it seems this version of the board was created AFTER TS2 was released, and since we lost all the old threads, seems as though I won't be able to actually prove what I read. But, know this, OB1 DID state that, at least he THOUGHT, TS2 would be the PD killer. He may not have said it with certainty at the time, just that he THOUGHT it would be that way from the company involved, but he did say it. Then again, to argue it without proof is sort of silly, so I guess I'll need to depend on the reader's memories.
Wait, why am I stating that anyway? ... Wait a sec, I didn't even bring it up in this thread! OB1 did!
Sorry OB1, I'll just let it be I guess. That's not an exact quote anyway, it's paraphrase. Anyway, who cares?
TS2, not a bad game, never said that. However, I must say I really didn't enjoy any aspect of it as much as Perfect Dark.
I NEVER said that TS2 was going to be a "PD killer". Never. Your "paraphrase" is a complete fabrication, a twisting of the truth.
TS2 was made in less than two years. PD was made in four. There's no way it could have been a "PD killer". And I never called anything a 'whatever killer". I always thought that phrasing was idiotic.
A Black Falcon Wrote:He'll find a loophole, DJ... :)
Yeah some loophole. She made up the quote!
I didn't say you called it a "killer". I said you thought it was going to be as good as TS2, which you did, that's all. But hey, if it slipped your mind I won't push it.
Bwahaha! I found the Tendocity.net archives!
Okay, they're really hard to navigate. But they're here!
You see, as far as I can tell the system which runs the forum is MIA (the CGI and stuff) -- so no threads list page, at least not one I know how to get to. All there is is, in the FTP, a whole bunch of numbered HTML documents -- one for each thread created.
So how does one find what each thread is? Well, you can open them, or for the ones up until the end of August of 2002 you can use web.archive.org
http://web.archive.org/web/2002083002245...LastLogin=
which has one page of the threads-list for Tendo City (August 10-August 29 2002) but no actual threads I can see. So you look at the forum folder (1 for Tendo, etc), then the post number, and get that file in the TC FTP and look at it.
So yeah, it's not easy, but can be done, for those couple of weeks... For the rest, well, there's just 1500 threads to look through... :D
The web.archive.org/ftp.tcforums combo managed to get me to this thread, though:
ftp://ftp.tcforums.com/www/noncgi/Forum1...01312.html
(I can't figure out a way to access these pages outside of the FTP, so you need FTP access to see them as far as I can tell)
On this page, OB1 quotes IGN saying that Timesplitters 2 will be 10 times better than Goldeneye and then says 'told you so DJ'.
Now then, how do you dodge THIS one, OB1? Oh, you didn't say it, at least not in that thread, but you said someone who said something equivilant (Goldeneye, not PD) was right and bolded the sentence in question (among others).
Umm.. it's not that hard to dodge. It could very easily be a matter of opinion that TS2 IS 10x better than Goldeneye. I never cared for GE that much, so I would agree with that assessment.
Not that that has anything to do with it being a PD killer.
It IS much better than Goldeneye! The single player is better than GE's and the multiplayer blows it's away. But PD still has more features in multi which make it one of the best multiplayer FPS's ever. And while PD did have a few really week SP levels, overall it was probably better in that regard, too.
So YEAH, suck on THAT why dontcha, DJ!!!
I think a certain pompous ass owes me an apology now. ;)
I'm curious to see if DJ tries to wiggle her way out of this one.
Private Hudson Wrote:Umm.. it's not that hard to dodge. It could very easily be a matter of opinion that TS2 IS 10x better than Goldeneye. I never cared for GE that much, so I would agree with that assessment.
Not that that has anything to do with it being a PD killer.
Exactly!
That's the only obvious TS2 thread I could find... finding any others requires going through the numbered threads. Fun. :)
And it's not exactly the PD quote DJ remembers, but as I said, pretty close... yes, PD is definitely better than GE.
But still, it's something, and who knows what else was said? That's clearly not the only thread involved.
When one person says one thing was said and another says something else was said, shouldn't you try to figure out what actually was said?
On a FTP note, is there any way to log in to FTPs with Mozilla as anything other than User Anonymous? I'd like to be able to log into the TC FTP though Mozilla instead of having to use IE or wsftp...
I know what was said because I said it. Case closed, DJ is wrong.
So you have a perfect memory to go with the rest of your perfection?
Well looks like I didn't get it exactly right, but eh, close enough. At least I'm not imprisoned in a chain of my own memories and can admit when I was off. Still not sure if that's the EXACT quote I got that memory from, but oh well. ABF will find it, or Smoke.
Yeah, even if it takes me looking through hundreds of threads one at a time... :D
Erm, this might take a while... but it is a fun exercise in looking at not-so-distant TC history.
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