Tendo City

Quote:Imagine using the touch screen of Nintendo DS to call a secret audible at the line of scrimmage when your wireless opponent threatens a blitz. Is your Sim feeling blue? Redesign her apartment or create a pet with the touch of the screen. Can't find that last star? Use the second screen to track down your nemesis in the vast worlds of Super Mario 64 DS.

From Mario to Madden and The Urbz, familiar characters and dynamic franchises will dominate the launch season for Nintendo DS, while allowing fans to play their favorites in entirely new ways. In the first 30 days of system availability, thanks to unprecedented support from third-party publishers, players can enjoy 10 to 12 DS games covering all genres. By the end of the first quarter of 2005, the Nintendo DS library will grow to 20 to 25 games.

As part of an incredibly strong launch offering, players will receive a free playable demo of Nintendo's upcoming Metroid Prime Hunters game, titled Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt. Each system also offers a built-in PictoChat feature, which lets users type text or draw pictures and transmit them wirelessly to up to 15 other Nintendo DS users nearby.

In all, more than 120 games are currently in development for Nintendo DS around the world. Titles available in the launch window include Super Mario 64 DS from Nintendo, Madden NFL 2005, Tiger Woods PGA TOUR Golf and The Urbz: Sims in the City from EA, and a major title from Activision. Other third-party titles available during the launch period include Ping Pals from THQ, Feel the Magic: XY/XX from SEGA, Rayman DS and Asphalt Urban GT from Ubisoft and Ridge Racer DS and Mr. DRILLER: Drill Spirits from Namco

In the coming months, publishers will release a wide range of novel software. Nintendo's list of DS-specific first-party franchises includes a multiplayer Mario Kart, as well as Metroid Prime Hunters, WarioWare, Inc. DS, Animal Crossing, Yoshi's Touch & Go, Advance Wars DS and a new Super Mario Bros., among others.

Third-party publishers will add GoldenEye: Rogue Agent and Need for Speed Underground from EA, Viewtiful Joe from Capcom, Bomberman from Hudson Soft, Frogger from Konami, a Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles title from Square Enix, and many more.

We will bring you information and screens for some of the games later today! Stay tuned for more...

The launch isn't particularly strong, but I do see some games I want at launch and in the next few months afterward. Advance Wars DS and a new Super Mario Bros. are definitely must have titles, I'm still a bit skepticle about Super Mario Bros. 64 DS though.

Feel the Magic: XY/XX must be that dating sim we saw some pics from a few weeks ago.

Cube-Europe

Yes, my fucking wish has been granted!!!



Mini-dvd cases!! WOOO!!!

Advance Wars, Goemon, new Mario... I'm definitely getting a DS at launch now even if the only launch game I'm getting is Mario 64 (for now)!!


These things just keep on getting smaller and smaller...

I probably won't get one as launch as there aren't that many titles that interest me, but Advance Wars and the recent Final Fantasy III (VI) announcement ensure I will get one in the near future.

I still don't know how well Mario 64 DS is going to control.

So which launch games are you guys planning on getting? I've bolded in red the launch games I think I'll get, and bolded in green the launch games that sound or look interesting but I need more info on:

Asphalt Urban GT
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Madden NFL 2005
Mr. Driller Drill Spirits
Ping Pals
Spider-Man 2
Rayman DS
Ridge Racer DS
Super Mario 64 DS
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005
The Urbz: Sims in the City

I'll get Mario 64 DS for sure and maybe Ridge Racer and the Sega dating sim.

It's more of a weird Wario Ware-type game than a dating sim, I think.

Well, whatever it is I'll probably get it. And whenever Wario Ware DS comes out I'll get that too.

Hey do you know the password to Nintendo's press kit page?

But the Sega thing won't be coming out here, right?

http://ds.ign.com/articles/554/554900p1.html

There's another one I'd be pretty surprised to see.

As to that list, I'd only be really interested in Mario 64 DS... Ridge Racer is okay too though. As for Rayman, I don't know... Rayman 2 is fantastic but I have that game. Depends on how different it is from Rayman 2 or 3.

The Sega game is a U.S. launch title.

And how could you not like Ridge Racer? THAT is a great simplistic arcade racer, not your beloved Cruisin' USA!

Quote:The Sega game is a U.S. launch title.

As you can see from in this very thread in my first post.

Quote:A game with the name "Another" could easily be mistaken for a conversation title from Japanese publishers Interchannel or Kid. But, surprisingly, Another is actually a NDS title announced today by Nintendo.

In this adventure game, billed by Nintendo as the first true adventure game for the NDS, you play as thirteen-year old Ashley. Ashley was born to Sayako and Richard, both of whom recently worked in the research lab of a secret government organization. However, due to some trouble surrounding "Another," a device developed at the research lab, Sayako was killed and Richard has gone missing. Using clues given to her by her father, Ashley must make her way to Brad Edward Island (Nintendo doesn't explain why this island is so special and why it has such a strange name).
Another makes use of the DS's unique feature-set for an adventure game filled with puzzles. You move around on a 3D map, progressing through a story as you play. The puzzle-solving part is done on the touch screen, with the screen used to display your movements from an overhead perspective. Specifics on the puzzle solving involved in Another have yet to be given out by Nintendo.

This single player adventure title currently has an undisclosed release date in Japan. The unexpected name along with Nintendo's promise of an intense story and character designs with a serious touch should make for an unfamiliar Nintendo experience on the NDS.

Nintendo better release this game in the US or I'll be very angry, because it sounds really cool.

Hey, a PC style adventure game for the DS! Yay!

We'd have more of them had they bothered releasing those murder mystery games on the NES a long time ago...

DMiller, it's the ACTUAL FF3, not FF6 which was CALLED FF3 on SNES. So you will NOT be playing as Terra and there will be NO Espers in this game, just to make it clear. It's Onion Kids and their search for the crystals.

That press release really doesn't give any good examples of why two screens are needed. I can think of a couple myself (one to look at while your hand covers the one you are stylusing), but that doesn't really show any examples like that...

You mean those detective games from Metroid director Yoshio Sakamoto? Those would be perfect for the DS.

Too bad they never released those games over here.

Yeah....


*cries*

Check out this awesome flash video: http://www2.nintendo.co.jp/ds/movie/syokai.swf

They some some Goemon (I was right about the 3d models), and Wario Ware which looks awesomely hilarious.

Yeah really... I want to solve a mystery! I have that trophy in SSBM just MOCKING me! Well, actually it's screaming in horror at me... of all the poses of that detective to pick... I dunno, maybe she's a coward at heart?

Well, this game seems cool. Hopefully the puzzles are involving and TOUGH, and not only that, there is a lot of interactivity in the world. The DS touch screen will of course be great because you could interact just like a mouse driven PC adventure game.

Hmm, time to solve the mystery of SMALL POX!

Weltall: They already DID that!

DJ: Really, well we should have a better solu-

Weltall: It's all but extinct!

DJ: Oh... okay, let's solve gwobaw wawwing!

Truck: Attention! Calling all scientists! We shall be solving the problem of... I forget, in Kyoto, Japan. It's the anagram lover's Tokyo!

Doctor: I've got a degree in homeopathic medicine!

Truck: You've got a degree in bologna! *hose pops out and sprays quack away*

And regarding these sorts of adventure games, let's make fun of them!

http://www.homestarrunner.com/pqtrailer.html

For this guy's house has been... BURNINATED!

Oh and they actually MADE that game, right here.

http://www.homestarrunner.com/disk4of12.html

*types "throw baby"*

Game: You don't even have two babies to rub together!

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I think I'll certainly be getting "Another".

Yeah me too.

Wow, it's like puzzle adventure games have suddenly taken root in the collective conciousness of all gamers or something...

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Indeed, one thing about these games is, unless you cop out and look up a solution (in which case, YOU DESERVE NO RESPECT AND MUST BE EXPECTORATED UPON!), or the puzzles are just pathetically easy, you WILL be driven mad with frustration at least a few times and consider this a viable option :D. That, or you'll just do what a couple people I've talked to generally say to describe these games "that puzzle was stupid, the game is stupid!", when all evidence regarding them being totally unable to figuer it out clearly points to that descriptor being more aptly applied to the speaker :D. I know ABF has a massive problem with the Myst games himself, and I understand why he doesn't like them, but me personally? I've enjoyed the games in the series I've had a chance to play, and PA's high praise suggests this one, even though it's made by a different developer (the uber legendary Ubisoft, which has generally proven that you can pretty much blindly buy whatever they make and know you didn't make a mistake), is still very good, and actually seems to answer ABF's main flaw with the games, lack of interactivity.

I'll be downloading the demo shortly, but even though it's Ubisoft, I really don't have great expectations (hmm, that would make an interesting book title...) for puzzle adventure games in general. Of course, making demos has always been an art of sorts. Heck, even the MP2 demo only really just gave you the same gameplay you saw in MP1. I would have liked to demo wall jumping or something at least.

OB1 Wrote:Hey do you know the password to Nintendo's press kit page?

http://press.nintendo.com/loginSplash.jsp

User: golin
Pass: harris

I got the original myst when it came out , Played with it for a while but then and didnt make much sense (purpose of the game) so I loss interest , Warcraft II was to addictive then so Myst just didnt apeal much to me,
The graphics and visuals were impressive though.

My biggest question about Myst is "WTF"! Is it about?I played myst II which was a little better I completed a few puzzles but then realize I didnt know were I was sopposed to go it felt like I was just solving puzzles and moving on to the next one, No character interaction ? I didnt play the full game on any of them so I dont have any idea if their was any characters but the hours I played I didnt see any and it made no sense to me.I know some people who religously play myst and love it like hell. I will admit it was a charming game but its lack of player direction is what I didnt like.

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Update! Realizes there are some characters in Myst III.

Also realizes you are traped in some kind of book ,Kind of sounds like the never ending story.

DMiller Wrote:http://press.nintendo.com/loginSplash.jsp

User: golin
Pass: harris

They still haven't changed the password? Hahaha! Thanks.

Perhaps if English was your main language you would get it more... Really, you are supposed to infer the story from everything you see. See an abandoned ship next to an abandoned island fortress? Well, come up with why on Earth it was there, then read a book relating to it and see how accurate you were.

Then there's the flooded woods, where it's like "Hmm, there must have been some tribe living here, wonder how they got this plumbing technology...".

But I really wouldn't expect you to get it.

Quote:And how could you not like Ridge Racer? THAT is a great simplistic arcade racer, not your beloved Cruisin' USA!

Ridge Racer is certainly better than Cruis'n, but it's worse than Rush, F-Zero, Extreme-G, Wipeout, Rollcage, Hydro Thunder, etc...

Quote:Nintendo better release this game in the US or I'll be very angry, because it sounds really cool.

Definitely. It sounds great... I really hope it comes out here. But as I said I think the chances are very slim at best, sadly...


Myst... I never played Riven or any of the later titles, only Myst, and not that much of it. Enough to see that what you did is wander around in a sterile, empty world and solved puzzles. Now, I'll admit that I did enjoy one game of that type: Timelapse. Wander around and solve puzzles. So Myst isn't all bad. I just definitely prefer traditional adventures... I like interaction with other characters! As for story, Myst's is there I guess... I've heard that there are many journals full of stuff to read that is the story. So that's okay. But is there also a real main plot with depth? I don't think so. And there is no inventory, no one else to talk to, a totally different style of puzzles (all logic puzzles and stuff as opposed to having a few logic puzzles and mostly inventory or conversation puzzles), etc... Myst looked great but in substance it's not anywhere near as good. And really, it's almost a different genre from real adventure games.

There was a lot of story to the world. A lot of it was inferred. It was empty, but the point was that you were to essentially piece together what happened yourself. In other words, the story has to be figured out too. It is pretty different, and I understand you don't like the style though, so that's fine.

I hope they release Another here as well. It'd suck if they didn't. Sure, back then for some reason Nintendo didn't release their puzzle adventure games in America (maybe the murder mystery part of it was to blame), but I think things have changed enough that Nintendo should be willing to do it.

Quote:There was a lot of story to the world. A lot of it was inferred. It was empty, but the point was that you were to essentially piece together what happened yourself. In other words, the story has to be figured out too. It is pretty different, and I understand you don't like the style though, so that's fine.

My biggest problem with Myst is that it killed the adventure game genre. :)

As I said, I enjoyed Timelapse... and as for inferred stories or ones told in journals, I certainly have liked that in some games (unlike OB1) so that isn't a big problem either... Myst isn't HORRIBLE. It was over-rated at the time, and it's got problems, but for what it tries to do it's okay... but I do prefer standard adventure games. For one, I prefer normal adventure game puzzles to logic puzzles like Myst. Those can be really hard! I'd rather collect items. :D

Quote:I hope they release Another here as well. It'd suck if they didn't. Sure, back then for some reason Nintendo didn't release their puzzle adventure games in America (maybe the murder mystery part of it was to blame), but I think things have changed enough that Nintendo should be willing to do it.

We still don't get all games, even if you leave out dating sims and stuff... and that seems like the kind of game that is right on the bubble.

Quote:Ridge Racer is certainly better than Cruis'n, but it's worse than Rush, F-Zero, Extreme-G, Wipeout, Rollcage, Hydro Thunder, etc...

You're out of your mind. The only racing games you listed that are better than RR are F-Zero and Wipeout. Man... your taste in games is really awful. Especially racing ones.

Quote:You're out of your mind. The only racing games you listed that are better than RR are F-Zero and Wipeout. Man... your taste in games is really awful. Especially racing ones.

First, maybe RR64 gets better with more play, but I only rented it once...

If I was to rank those games (for racing mode only)... (oh, there certainly might be other serieses that belong on this list, but I didn't think of them.)

One more note. This is for arcadish racing games... sims really are a totally different category and putting them together is tough because of how different they are.

1. F-Zero
2. Wipeout
3. Rush
(hard to rank specifically after this, varies)
4. Extreme-G
5. Pod
6. Micro Machines
7. Moto Racer (not 3)
8. Rollcage
9. Hydro Thunder (only single game here...)
10. Ridge Racer

Some that would not make that list, but are decent... Need for Speed (just missed), Burnout (NFS is probably better), Wave Race, etc.


Of course a list like this is the kind of thing that changes all the time as you think about it, but the general idea is the point, not a definite ranking...

Rage Racer was the peak of the RR series for me. I played that game to death.

Oh, and Burnout 3 is the game of the generation. It should be at the top of your stupid list even if you haven't played it.

I've only played Burnout 1...

Quote:First, maybe RR64 gets better with more play, but I only rented it once...

I'm not talking about the N64 game.

Quote:If I was to rank those games (for racing mode only)... (oh, there certainly might be other serieses that belong on this list, but I didn't think of them.)

One more note. This is for arcadish racing games... sims really are a totally different category and putting them together is tough because of how different they are.

1. F-Zero
2. Wipeout
3. Rush
(hard to rank specifically after this, varies)
4. Extreme-G
5. Pod
6. Micro Machines
7. Moto Racer (not 3)
8. Rollcage
9. Hydro Thunder (only single game here...)
10. Ridge Racer

Some that would not make that list, but are decent... Need for Speed (just missed), Burnout (NFS is probably better), Wave Race, etc.


Of course a list like this is the kind of thing that changes all the time as you think about it, but the general idea is the point, not a definite ranking...

Man, what an awful list. It's very obvious from that list that you only ever owned an N64, whose only good racer's were the unrealistic Nintendo ones (and the odd good one like WO64). The PSX had all of the good racing games, so I suppose I can't blame you too much for having such bad taste in racing games. :)

Quote:Rage Racer was the peak of the RR series for me. I played that game to death.

Oh, and Burnout 3 is the game of the generation. It should be at the top of your stupid list even if you haven't played it.

I really want to get Burnout 3...

As do I, but I also want a lot of other games too.

Quote:I'm not talking about the N64 game.

Given I don't have a PSX or PS2, I can only go by the N64 game.

Quote:Man, what an awful list. It's very obvious from that list that you only ever owned an N64, whose only good racer's were the unrealistic Nintendo ones (and the odd good one like WO64). The PSX had all of the good racing games, so I suppose I can't blame you too much for having such bad taste in racing games.

No, N64, NGC, and PC. Though NGC is decidedly the junior partner. I have a lot of racing games for N64 and a lot for PC... and I happen to find futuristic-arcade racers like F-Zero or Wipeout to be my favorite kind of racing game. That is why so many of those are in my top 10... I like them a lot. And the N64 has a fantastic selection of arcadish racing games... certainly it has a vastly better racing selection than NGC. Only the PC, with its variety, can match it...

Listing consoles I have in mind when I list each game. (parentesis for other systems the series is on)

1. F-Zero - N64, NGC
2. Wipeout - N64, PC (PSX, PS2)
3. Rush - N64, Arcade (DC)
(hard to rank specifically after this, varies)
4. Extreme-G - N64, PC, NGC (PS2, XBox)
5. Pod - PC (DC)
6. Micro Machines - GB, GBC, PC (NES, N64, GBA, PSX, probably more)
7. Moto Racer (not 3) - PC (PSX)
8. Rollcage - PC (PSX)
9. Hydro Thunder (only single game here...) - Arcade, N64 (PSX, DC)
10. Ridge Racer - N64

I've been playing quite a bit of XGRA in the past few days. Great game. I love it. If the other cars were harder to beat and the weapon system was balanced it'd be one of the best... as it is it's only great. :) Not quite as good as F-Zero GX, but not that far behind... I'd certainly say that it's the second best racing game I've played on NGC after F-Zero GX.

What I'm trying to say is that if you like arcadish and futuristic racing games my list is great. It hits all the top serieses... F-Zero, Wipeout, Rollcage, Rush, Hydro Thunder (yes, it is a pretty popular game)... as well as some I really like too, like Pod and Extreme-G... is it missing stuff from other consoles? Perhaps. However, it's not as significant as you imply because a good number of PSX/2 games also come to PC. I just really like this kind of racing game.

Quote:Given I don't have a PSX or PS2, I can only go by the N64 game.

Even the N64 game was better than most of those games you listed.

Quote:No, N64, NGC, and PC.

Haha, the PC. [sarcasm]What a great racing platform.[/sarcasm]

Quote:Though NGC is decidedly the junior partner. I have a lot of racing games for N64 and a lot for PC... and I happen to find futuristic-arcade racers like F-Zero or Wipeout to be my favorite kind of racing game. That is why so many of those are in my top 10... I like them a lot. And the N64 has a fantastic selection of arcadish racing games... certainly it has a vastly better racing selection than NGC. Only the PC, with its variety, can match it...

Listing consoles I have in mind when I list each game. (parentesis for other systems the series is on)

1. F-Zero - N64, NGC
2. Wipeout - N64, PC (PSX, PS2)
3. Rush - N64, Arcade (DC)
(hard to rank specifically after this, varies)
4. Extreme-G - N64, PC, NGC (PS2, XBox)
5. Pod - PC (DC)
6. Micro Machines - GB, GBC, PC (NES, N64, GBA, PSX, probably more)
7. Moto Racer (not 3) - PC (PSX)
8. Rollcage - PC (PSX)
9. Hydro Thunder (only single game here...) - Arcade, N64 (PSX, DC)
10. Ridge Racer - N64

I've been playing quite a bit of XGRA in the past few days. Great game. I love it. If the other cars were harder to beat and the weapon system was balanced it'd be one of the best... as it is it's only great. Not quite as good as F-Zero GX, but not that far behind... I'd certainly say that it's the second best racing game I've played on NGC after F-Zero GX.

What I'm trying to say is that if you like arcadish and futuristic racing games my list is great. It hits all the top serieses... F-Zero, Wipeout, Rollcage, Rush, Hydro Thunder (yes, it is a pretty popular game)... as well as some I really like too, like Pod and Extreme-G... is it missing stuff from other consoles? Perhaps. However, it's not as significant as you imply because a good number of PSX/2 games also come to PC. I just really like this kind of racing game.

The XG games and Pod are pretty average racers. There are so many better racers on the PSX, PS2, and X-Box.

Here's my list of top racing games [realistic, arcade, or otherwise] in no particular order:

- Burnout
- F-Zero
- Mario Kart
- Gran Turismo

I don't really play very many racing games.

That's still a better list than ABF's.

*high fives GR*

*high fives OB1*

Hey, let's make a user group for people that like cool game and then not invite ABF to be a member!

Good idea!

Do it!

Quote:- Burnout
- F-Zero
- Mario Kart
- Gran Turismo

Rush, Moto Racer, and maybe NFS are better than Burnout; F-Zero is best in its class; DKR is just as good as Mario Kart 64 (haven't played the SNES game), and GT... haven't played it. My list is far better. :)

Quote:The XG games and Pod are pretty average racers. There are so many better racers on the PSX, PS2, and X-Box.

Pod is great because of variety (after you download them all it has over 50 tracks!), graphics (not how good they are but how they are unique), and gameplay. It's a quite different take on the subgenre, with no weapons and the challenge of the gameplay being figuring your way around the often quite confusing tracks... it certainly has flaws but the variety and very different philosophy of track design shine through.

As for the DC game, I haven't played it and have heard that most Pod fans didn't like it at all. Weapons and six tracks? And you call that Pod? Who are you trying to fool?

As for XG, I think XG2 is great, XGRA is almost great (it's great if you ignore the lack of difficulty and badly flawed weapons), XG good (though noticably an early N64 game), and XG3 decent...

Quote:Haha, the PC. [sarcasm]What a great racing platform.[/sarcasm]

Actually yes, the PC is a pretty good platform for racing games. It's by FAR the best platform for simulation racing games (and that's by a wide margin), but as far as arcadish ones it does okay. Psygnosis, before being consumed by Sony, released the first two Wipeouts, both Rollcage games, etc, and there are many others... Pod, Megarace, Screamer, etc. It's not exactly a wasteland for the genre, and I have quite a few PC racing games.

-Death Rally
-Death Track Racing (Rollcage Stage II)
-Drome Racers
-Moto Racer 2
-Need for Speed: High Stakes
-Motocross Madness 2
-Pod
-Rally Championship
-Screamer 2
-Test Drive Off Road
-Driver (if it counts)
-Extreme-G 2
-Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament

Yeah, a short and pitiful list.

Quote:Rush, Moto Racer, and maybe NFS are better than Burnout

You're insane, Brian. Burnout's like the God of arcade racing games. Your God, Brian. So, show the proper respect lest he smite you with his tires of rubber and his fiberglass body!

Quote:My list is far better.

You're list is a suck list.

Quote:DKR is just as good as Mario Kart 64

I can't believe I forgot about DKR! Yeah, DKR is definitely as good as MK64, though for different reasons. DKR's mutiplayer was a bit weak while it's single-player mode was awesome, MK64 had a weak single-player mode while it's multiplayer is the shiznite.

the s is for sucks

Great Rumbler Wrote:You're insane, Brian. Burnout's like the God of arcade racing games. You're God, Brian. So, show the proper respect lest he smite you with his tires of rubber and his fiberglass body!

I'm so confused. :crap:

ABF Wrote:Rush, Moto Racer, and maybe NFS are better than Burnout; F-Zero is best in its class; DKR is just as good as Mario Kart 64 (haven't played the SNES game), and GT... haven't played it. My list is far better.

Your list is shit. The only good games on your list are the Nintendo racers. Burnout 3 blows away every single non-Nintendo racer on your list. Ten times over. So does Gran Turismo.

ABF Wrote:Pod is great because of variety (after you download them all it has over 50 tracks!), graphics (not how good they are but how they are unique), and gameplay. It's a quite different take on the subgenre, with no weapons and the challenge of the gameplay being figuring your way around the often quite confusing tracks... it certainly has flaws but the variety and very different philosophy of track design shine through.

As for the DC game, I haven't played it and have heard that most Pod fans didn't like it at all. Weapons and six tracks? And you call that Pod? Who are you trying to fool?

As for XG, I think XG2 is great, XGRA is almost great (it's great if you ignore the lack of difficulty and badly flawed weapons), XG good (though noticably an early N64 game), and XG3 decent...

Pod and XG are to F-Zero and Wipeout as Bloody Roar is to Virtua Fighter.

ABF Wrote:Actually yes, the PC is a pretty good platform for racing games. It's by FAR the best platform for simulation racing games (and that's by a wide margin),

Shitty, no-fun sim racers that nobody likes to play.

ABF Wrote:but as far as arcadish ones it does okay. Psygnosis, before being consumed by Sony, released the first two Wipeouts, both Rollcage games, etc, and there are many others... Pod, Megarace, Screamer, etc. It's not exactly a wasteland for the genre, and I have quite a few PC racing games.

-Death Rally
-Death Track Racing (Rollcage Stage II)
-Drome Racers
-Moto Racer 2
-Need for Speed: High Stakes
-Motocross Madness 2
-Pod
-Rally Championship
-Screamer 2
-Test Drive Off Road
-Driver (if it counts)
-Extreme-G 2
-Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament

Yeah, a short and pitiful list.

Yes, it is! The only decent games on that list are done better on consoles! But then again you've never owned a non-Nintendo system so you wouldn't know that.

Johnny Wrote:You're list is a suck list.

Haha, quote of the month! :clap:

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Quote:You're insane, Brian. Burnout's like the God of arcade racing games. You're God, Brian. So, show the proper respect lest he smite you with his tires of rubber and his fiberglass body!

Burnout 1 only, remember, I haven't played the second or third games... and while Burnout (1) is fun, certainly, I think that NFSHS is probably better. Rush, of course, I absolutely love and would definintely put in first in car-based racers... the competition isn't close.

As for Moto Racer, ever played Moto Racer 1 or 2? If not don't comment.

Quote:I can't believe I forgot about DKR! Yeah, DKR is definitely as good as MK64, though for different reasons. DKR's mutiplayer was a bit weak while it's single-player mode was awesome, MK64 had a weak single-player mode while it's multiplayer is the shiznite.

Yeah, that's just about right... MK64 for multi, DK64 for single... they pretty much cancel eachother out so I'd say that they are equal. I don't like kart racers quite as much as you but they definitely are fun too.

Quote:Yes, it is! The only decent games on that list are done better on consoles! But then again you've never owned a non-Nintendo system so you wouldn't know that.

First, I forgot a few. New list at bottom.

Many of those games are also on consoles, sure, but that's part of my point... and as for where they are good I'd say that they are just as good on PC. I see nothing in any of those games that would make them more fun on a console than they are on PC with a nice gamepad. Nothing at all. Actually, in some cases they are better -- witness the track creator in Moto Racer 2, the dozens of downloadable tracks and cars for Pod, the online multiplay and downloadable cars for NFS:HS, the online multiplay for Motocross Madness 2, etc... no, the PC is not weak in racing games and the games that are on PC and console are not worse on PC.

Pod... I don't understand why so many people dislike it. I have liked it a lot from the first time I played it and still do... but so many people (not just you) just don't like it much. I know that it was originally about graphics more than anything, but as I said it has so many tracks, and they are so different in style from most racing games, that I see a lot to it beyond the technical qualitites... what's so bad that makes it so disliked? The somewhat slow speed of the cars? Those very same confusing tracks that I see as a strong point?

Oh yeah, one last thing. I don't think I have to own a PSX to know that I think the N64 has a better selection of racing games that I would actually like. No question. I mean... the N64's racing game lineup is incredibly good! I know enough about what the PSX has to know that the N64 is definitely superior. The N64 easily beats the NGC too... don't know about PS2 and X-Box, but I wouldn't exactly be surprised. The N64 is the best racing game console I've ever seen.

And one more thing... how many of those have you actually played?

Quote:Pod and XG are to F-Zero and Wipeout as Bloody Roar is to Virtua Fighter.

I've played Virtua Fighter (3, PS2) and Bloody Roar (the GC one), and couldn't disagree more. Quite unlike Bloody Roar, Pod and XG are actually good games... Bloody Roar is stupid and quite mediocre while Virtua Fighter is awesome. If you want a better comparison (imo) for Bloody Roar, how about DethKarz (based on the demo) and Star Wars Episode I Racer? Now THOSE are mediocre. Not XG or Pod. (and again, the DC game isn't really Pod)

Quote:Shitty, no-fun sim racers that nobody likes to play.

Very popular among a small audience that I respect. It'd take patience and determination to get good at real simulation racing games, after all, and if you have that kind of patience then you have more than I do for those games... I would never call them bad because they are not. Just because I prefer other kinds of games doesn't mean I think those are bad... just like with flight sims, that's not true at all. Just because I think TIE Figher is best in genre doesn't mean that I hate Falcon 4.0... I could never play it decently I'm sure, but you'll never find me calling it bad.

As for where Gran Turismo fits in there, I'd have to play it to decide. I have no idea how it plays so I can't say a whole lot that is relevant to the game.

So... why am I listing these games when you don't care? Simple, I kind of like to make lists of things...

PC Racing Games I have (new to list with *s)
*-Whiplash (good but not great)
*-Road & Track Presents: The Need for Speed (very different from the rest of the series. Pretty good.)
*-Monster Truck Madness (Stupid)
*-Ultim@te Race Pro (Fun, but doesn't last long)
-Death Rally (great game!)
-Death Track Racing (Rollcage Stage II) (very good, but high learning curve)
-Drome Racers (okay)
-Moto Racer 2 (great! And a cool track creator!)
-Need for Speed: High Stakes (Fun, but hard...)
-Motocross Madness 2 (Too frusterating for me)
-Pod (quite good; better when the online play system was still operational)
-Rally Championship (Network-Q RAC Rally Championship) (okay)
-Screamer 2 (great game!)
-Test Drive Off Road (bad!)
-Driver (if it counts) (not racing... but fun. If too long and hard.)
-Extreme-G 2 (very, very good)
-Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament (good multiplay...)

And of course I've played dozens and dozens of demos of PC racing games. Far too many to list. I'll mention a few that I liked. Speed Busters (Devil Busters on DC), Need for Speed II and III, Wipeout XL, Scorcher, Ballistics, Destruction Derby 2, Moto Racer, Wacky Wheels, Big Red Racing, RalliSport Challenge (better than I was expecting), maybe Re-Volt, etc...

GB: I have Micro Machines (2 copies; one of the GB greats) and Super RC Pro-Am (2 copies; mediocre).
GBC: Micro Machines 1&2: Twin Turbo (poorly done, really) and Micro Machines V3 (lost that one, which is too bad because it is very good).
NGC: F-Zero GX, XG3, XGRA, Wave Race Blue Storm, Burnout, Midway Arcade Treasures (SpyHunter, RoadBlasters, Super Sprint).
N64: F-Zero X, XG1, Rush 2, Rush 2049, Cruis'n Exotica, Wipeout 64, Hydro Thunder, Episode I Racer, DKR, Beetle Adventure Racing, and Excitebike 64.