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I'm 3 hours into the game and in Metroid heaven. I love Fusion but man, ZM just blows that game away. It's Super Metroid with the controls and moves of Fusion, and it works wonderfully. I don't like it as much as Super or Prime, but it's every bit as fantastic as I expected it to be. Early on the hintsdo make it pretty easy, but after an hour and a half or so the hints are far less frequent. So while it's not as non-linear as Super, there's still chances to get lost and plenty of freedom to explore. I can't wait to play the game in hard mode. :D

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Hahaha! :D

As far as I can tell, from my memory when the pirates attacked Zebes, they wiped out everyone there, so the previous Chozo civilization on that world was destroyed by the mean pirates.

As far as Meta Ridley in Prime, I was under the impression that it was the same Ridley from the space station, and more to the point, it was also the same Ridley from Metroid 1/Zero Mission. Reading those notes in the space station about it, I always understood it to mean they managed to recover a near dead Ridley and save its life via cybernetic enhancements, and now its angry at Samus in particular. Remember that only Torian actually exploded. Norfair likely was left SOMEWHAT untouched, I think. On to Metroid 3, I always thought that Ridley had been restored via bioengineering, like cloning organs to remake Ridley as it originally was (though that was defeated by Samus before so I'm not sure why they'd go to the effort :D). After Prime, I get the impression that the pirates will NOT let Ridley die, remaking the poor space dragon not once but twice now.

As for Fusion, I don't quite remember but I THINK that the "Ridley" there is just another member of that species, X-ified.

Oh yeah. I forgot what the deal with Meta Ridley was.

I hope they show a planet with living Chozos in a future Metroid game. Maybe Samus can visit them to get rid of that crappy Fusion suit.

...WHAAAA?! That suit is COOL! I thought you loved her new suit! Besides that, though it's worse through most of Fusion, by the end of the game it's actually SUPERIOR to her old suit, when you finally get that last X downloaded and become the first "Metroid" that can resist ice and all. Now I will say I don't exactly like how it looked in Prime, but that's why I haven't used that bonus since I first tested it out.

The original suit just looks way, way cooler.

Ack, I've always hated the Fusion suit! Samus looks like some sort of crazy French space clown in it.




*shudder*

And WHAT is wrong with that? :D

Come on, it looks organic AND technological! It's technorganic! Except the top part... Plus, the shoulders aren't the size of planets.

And compared to real Samus, ... just no. Not even close.

That IS real Samus! That's what she is going to look like FOREVER! Mwahahaha! Deal with it.

Or not. I don't expect many if any more Metroid games will have that Samus...

Good gravy, I can't believe there's actually someone on this planet that likes that design, and even moreso than the original suit! Sends a shiver down my spine, I tell ya. There's nothing organic about that suit. It looks like a left-over rubber space clown suit from a bad sci-fi flick. And it doesn't even match the helmet! Just look at it! That design makes my eyes bleed.

And I seriously doubt they'll use the Fusion suit for future games. For one thing the suit requires those floaty jelly thingies to work, and secondly it's really unpopular among fans.

Yes that really needed two posts and not an edit.

Well the guy at mDB seems to like it, as well as most of the people I talk to about it. I haven't heard anything from Nintendo regarding polls about the popularity of the new look. In fact I've never seen any poll anywhere regarding it. I wasn't even aware it was an issue until you slammed it earlier in this thread. lazy never had a problem with it either.

Quote:Yes that really needed two posts and not an edit.

I'm glad you agree with my decision.

Quote:Well the guy at mDB seems to like it, as well as most of the people I talk to about it. I haven't heard anything from Nintendo regarding polls about the popularity of the new look. In fact I've never seen any poll anywhere regarding it. I wasn't even aware it was an issue until you slammed it earlier in this thread. lazy never had a problem with it either.

Polls? I'm not talking about polls. That's just the general opinion you'll hear at all of the major gaming boards.

I... guess? Anyway, I don't see the problem. It does look organic, and more important, it looks VERY flexible. I'm not saying I don't like the look of the old suit, I loved that one too, I just like the idea of something more organic and flexible for a warrior known for her acrobatics.

Oh, it doesn't NEED the X, it just CAN use them. No where in fusion's story does it say she HAS to consume X to survive, just that she CAN consume them and that's the only energy source that can be found. Remember that she can still use normal energy recharges, like those energy machines for instance.

I hate the design. It looks like Nintendo had a contest at some elementary school for kids to come up with Samus' next design, and all of the entries except one got lost in the mail so they had no choice but to go with that crappy design.

And you know, it's not like the new suit made you any more flexible than usual.

So you really find it that ugly do you? What about a different color scheme? How'd you like the final one, which was orange on yellow?

That color scheme is better, since it copies the original, but if you're copying the original colors why not go all the way and actually use the original one, which is so muich nicer looking? :)

This one's sleeker though.

Eh, anyway I suppose it's all about different tastes. I recall OB1 and me had different opinions on Mario and Luigi's artistic style as well.

The final suit has a much better color scheme, but you don't play through most of the game looking like that! And what's with the super-lame Batman arm fins? I hate that.

If all you want is sleek then you might as well put Samus in one of these suits:



Looks about as lame as the Fusion suit.

What are those from? Some '80s cartoon clearly...

And it may be sleeker (except for that ridiculous helmet that doesn't fit at all with the rest of the suit, OB1's right), but it's far more ugly! The lack of the real suit was a problem with the game. You look so more bland with this thing instead... yes the orange and red suit helps but it's still not the same. :)

And the giant shoulder pads aren't bad.

It's from Silverhawks! :D

The giant "shoulder pads" are the shiznit!

Except Samus can't see to her left or right (no wonder it's a 2D series for the most part ).

Let me put it this way...

Versus this...

Exxageration sure, but the gist is organic and sleek look is something I like more, and this comparison should let you see how I can see that. I don't think it's nearly like the space cowboy or whatever is up there's suit. That's bland, but the Fusion suit has a pattern resembling a sort of symmetrical tissue growth all over it. That's what I think is so cool about it.

As I said though, artistic tastes differ.

Great comparison.

Samus can see just fine, as Prime showed. And since there is absolutely zero difference in movement between the two suits, all you're left with is an ugly suit that looks more sleek but functions exactly the same way as the much better looking regular suit. It looks like somebody took the Varia suit, stripped away all of the cool parts, made it hunch over (Samus looks like a hunchback in Fusion), and took a bunch of bottles of green, blue, and pink ketchup and sprayed it all over the thing.

I too noticed she's all hunched over. That I'm not a fan of. Still, I like the Fusion suit and apparently a lot of others like it as well. With it about even, if they decide to listen to American audiences (and considering both Japan-made Metroid games got released HERE first, and that's a wowey thing there, I'd say they will), they'll likely make the next upgrade to the suit be a sort of combination of the classic style and the fusion style.

ONE MORE THING, I'd just like to add that when I say it's more flexible and other stuff like that, I'm talking from an artistic view of functionality. As in, what it looks like it is capable of, not what the games allow it to do.

Artistically it looks like crap. :) Yeah it does look a bit more flexible, but it also looks weaker than the Varia suit. Remember that Samus needs the suit to battle aliens in space and planets that aren't too friendly to humans.

Zero Mission and Prime 2 don't use the Fusion Suit. I know they aren't set after Fusion, but the fact that they didn't set them after Fusion should say something... :)

LOOKS weaker, but isn't :D. Why does she NEED to look scary anyway? Ya want aliens urinating on themselves, like you're some sort of bad arse? I prefer the idea of her actually BEING human rather than cold blooded and generally being scared of the things she fights (not that this has anything to do with the look mind you :D). That seems to be the mood the series is going with anyway though. Personally, I just can't stand the "completely cold hearted only cares about doing the job and says one liners to everyone they kill" persona anyway, like Master Chief, the completely uninspired and dull personality in Halo. Hmm, seem to have slipped into an unrelated rant there... :D

Besides, lots of new battle suits in the real world have an organic look to them. Sort of form fitting outfits that don't really make the wearer look beefy or anything, but get the job done and look good in their own way. Perhaps you compare this design to the previous too much, only looking at how this one doesn't have such and such compaired to what the previous one did, rather than analyzing it on it's own merits. I'm sure that knights in shining armor, some of them anyway, would find what we dress our most updated soldiers today to be very weak looking, until they try stabbing one and it doesn't even phase the soldier... OOoh ooh, and gas masks and guns kinda create a similar appearence offset in the real world too.

Um, ABF, you just explained exactly why it doesn't say anything that it isn't being used in those two games.

So having a cool outfit rather than a stupid clown outfit makes her a cold-hearted killer? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, DJ. I never thought of her suit as scary-looking, just super keen. There's absolutely no need to change it as it's perfect as is.

The Fusion suit just looks plain stupid. Even if that was the first Metroid game ever and I never knew what a varia suit was, I'd still think it looks dumb. It'd hideous! Nothing matches at all, and if they could have done a lot better if organic is what they wanted. The fusion suit is extremely amateurish, like as if a fifth-grader drew it. But hey that's okay, every developer is allowed to fuck up their characters' costumes at least once. I just hope they put that suit away for good.

What I'm saying is that while there's no problem with you hating it yourself, to say that it's absolutely bad in the face of a good chunk of the fans actually liking it is very insulting to everyone else. The way you say "so you prefer a stupid clown outfit?" suggest I actually think it's a clown outfit, but I don't. So don't put it like that.

Look, I was only trying to defend my like of that suit (and as I said during that side rant, that whole cold hearted thing really had nothing to do with the suit), not try to actually convince you to like it so much as convince you to let others like it. And NO, I do NOT mean let others like it as in "okay, you can like STUPID LOOKING THINGS" like you do a lot. I mean, allow others to think it looks good, since it IS subjective in this case. You can hate it, just so long as you let others like it without thinking "but they are morons to like it" or something like that.

Hey you made beanjo feel bad about liking NIN videos, you big hypocrite. I'm sorry but I just despise that Fusion outfit. I thought you knew that since this is subjective and it's only my opinion, you wouldn't feel insulted if I called it ugly. I don't feel insulted whenever you say that you hate something that I like. It's just your opinion.

Well ya didn't exactly make it clear earlier did you? You seem to actually make an EFFORT to say the other person is an idiot for thinking something, ya know?

Oh, you never answered my question.

Now I'll pose another one. If the technical side of the suit was much more technical, perhaps something along the lines of the general shape of the old suit combined with a overall organic growth like on the Fusion suit, would that be nice to you? It could have all those neat lines that say "hey, this is technical" which at least I like about the old design.

(Note about SJ: Hey, that's different! Those old music videos are OBJECTIVELY bad, like you know, a picture of feces or something. Besides, ya big hypocrite, you're always being a hypocrite! Now THAT'S irony, hypocritical statements REGARDING someone's hypocrisy!)

Quote:Well ya didn't exactly make it clear earlier did you? You seem to actually make an EFFORT to say the other person is an idiot for thinking something, ya know?

To quote Prince, "if the bra fits"...

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*crickets chirp*


Guess noone has seen "An Evening with Kevin Smith", huh? Never mind.

I didn't mean to say that you're an idiot for liking the Fusion suit, alright?

Quote:Oh, you never answered my question.

What question...

Quote:Now I'll pose another one. If the technical side of the suit was much more technical, perhaps something along the lines of the general shape of the old suit combined with a overall organic growth like on the Fusion suit, would that be nice to you? It could have all those neat lines that say "hey, this is technical" which at least I like about the old design.

I don't care about the mechanics of the suit, I just care about the design. If it's made out of oatmeal and still looks great then that's all I care about.

Quote:(Note about SJ: Hey, that's different! Those old music videos are OBJECTIVELY bad, like you know, a picture of feces or something. Besides, ya big hypocrite, you're always being a hypocrite! Now THAT'S irony, hypocritical statements REGARDING someone's hypocrisy!)

The Fusion suit looks streamlined, but gameplay-wise isn't... and the (starting) colors are dumb. And Samus just doesn't look right... she should have a big bulky spacesuit not that more formfitting one. :)

And it's just way less cool.

I concur.

You see, I don't have a big problem with the colors because in nature bright contrasting colors are "danger danger danger", and she's organic so it fits.

also this...

Finally, I'd just like to say that in the very first game, Samus' suit had a somewhat... jumpsuit look to it as well.

Yeah, and it looked like shit.

Those frogs look great. Black and green? Wonderful! Red and black? Wonderful! But give the frogs a pink head, a green and yellow body, and stupid Batman fins on their arms and they'll look absolutely ridiculous.