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But, there ARE frogs like that!

What's the problem with the batman-esque fins?

See? Well, hard to see, but this frog has those fins too. Granted, they are more of a natural slope off the arm's naturally angled shape, and they actually have a USE, for flying, but still the point stabs.

Fish have those things too, only on their back.

Guess you think those sharks with the giant noses that look like chainsaws with all thsoe teeth up and down them look stupid too don't you? If it actually exists as an animal, it doesn't look stupid! That's my faulty logic today!

This is a nice froggy that's green, neon orange, and black with a tinge of purple. I like it, but I don't want to ever touch it.

Okay first of all, there aren't any frogs that look as dumb as Fusion Samus. And secondly... Samus isn't a frog-person!! Hey let's give her a really long tongue now since frogs have those! And let's give her big sharp teeth because lots of animals have big sharp teeth! I really don't understand your logic, DJ.

Oh and there are totally dumb-looking animals on this planet. Just look at the duck-billed platipus!



Poor thing... *tsk tsk tsk*

Also, here's some more crazy frogs, and a fish I think.

The platypus is cute, you philistine!

Also, you don't get what I was trying to point out there. The whole look of Samus had a design goal you know. They didn't just DO that, they did it for a reason. She's part Metroid now. That life form is very evident on her suit. It's part-alive now. That's not just supposed to LOOK like a growth, it IS a growth, metallic yet alive. As such, they made it look biological. Besides, this isn't much different than the orange and purple color combo they had before with all her gravity suits (which by the way are horribly misnamed :D).

I wasn't really amaing at frogs in particular, but looking for venemous animal colors turned up more frog photos than anything else. I was actually thinking more along the lines of fish, ya know?

Yeah that's... that's great. Pretty frogs indeed.

But that doesn't mean those color schemes would work with everything.


DJ: Come on, hot pink and green would look great for our living room! There are frogs with color schemes like that, you know!! *shakes fist*

Quote:The platypus is cute, you philistine!

Also, you don't get what I was trying to point out there. The whole look of Samus had a design goal you know. They didn't just DO that, they did it for a reason. She's part Metroid now. That life form is very evident on her suit. It's part-alive now. That's not just supposed to LOOK like a growth, it IS a growth, metallic yet alive. As such, they made it look biological. Besides, this isn't much different than the orange and purple color combo they had before with all her gravity suits (which by the way are horribly misnamed ).

Yes I know they had a design goal with the Fusion suit, but it still looks terrible. You can argue forever how frog-like and organic the suit looks, but an ugly suit is still an ugly suit no matter why it is ugly. They could have made a much better-looking suit with that plot point in mind.

Platypus are cute in a "haha that thing looks so funny" sort of way.

I'm not exactly a decorator so I can't say I understand that joke, but I'm assuming that it's supposed to be something that would obviously look bad... Eh, I dunno, I like the playhouse look :D.

And everything? No, but I'm trying to say why it would work with Samus. She's supposed to look like a dangerous life form ya know? That's why it would work great for her, that's what the colors SAY to someone. Well, that's one way to interpret it anyway. You see it as more of a clown fish I guess. Whatever, I'm trying to let you see how someone CAN like it, but you won't even listen.

That's like someone trying to explain to me why they like rocky mountain oysters. I'm happy you like them, but explaining why you like it won't make me like them.

I'm not a decorator either, but I think hot pink and green would be pretty ugly. :)

I agree, that NES Metroid suit picture is pretty bad...

I wasn't trying to get you to like them, just to see how someone else could, and that, in a way you don't appreciate, it does look good. No matter, for the most part we were in perfect agreement in this thread about Metroid up until you said something about the suit, and I foolishly responded rather than just changing the subject.

I'll do that now. So, did you find those boss battles as mind numblingly easy as I did? Especially the last one. Sure, it could be made harder on hard with them doing more damage, but that's not exactly the best way to increase challenge. Seems they listened to you and removed not only nightmare sized challenges, but also all challenge whatsoever from the bosses.

Quote:I wasn't trying to get you to like them, just to see how someone else could, and that, in a way you don't appreciate, it does look good. No matter, for the most part we were in perfect agreement in this thread about Metroid up until you said something about the suit, and I foolishly responded rather than just changing the subject.

Why, it's not like this has been a really unpleasant ABF-style argument or anything like that.

Quote:I'll do that now. So, did you find those boss battles as mind numblingly easy as I did? Especially the last one. Sure, it could be made harder on hard with them doing more damage, but that's not exactly the best way to increase challenge. Seems they listened to you and removed not only nightmare sized challenges, but also all challenge whatsoever from the bosses.

Yeah the bosses were way too easy. Try hard mode though. :D

Quote:Why, it's not like this has been a really unpleasant ABF-style argument or anything like that.

Because I don't care that much either way... sure I think Samus' normal suit is cooler (like in Fusion where the X has the Samus suit) but I don't care anywhere near as much about it as either of you do.

What? I just said that this hasn't been a heated argument so DJ shouldn't regret saying how she felt about it.

Actually, you tend to give off the impression during an argument that you believe the other person shouldn't be thinking whatever they are thinking. Also, you give off a strong impression that you don't respect the other's opinion at all. Yeah, I know you say it's jokes or whatever when you call them idiots, but it's not readily apparent. Tact is important. Perhaps with some tact it would be more readily apparent, as in this case, that you don't actually think someone is stupid or has bad tastes for liking something else.

No matter, as I said, hard mode doesn't really add much except life and attack power to the enemies. It'll provide more challenge to be sure at least. Still, I wish the bosses were harder due to their strategies, rather than just tossing on some extra offensive power. If I can avoid their attacks easily, added offensive strength won't really do much as far as challenge goes.

You just have a problem with people not agreeing with you, DJ. I said that I think the suit is incredibly ugly and I stand by that opinion. If you have a problem with that there's nothing I can do.

There ya go again. You start out just stating what you think, but then you say "well if you don't agree I guess there's nothing I can do" like some doctor saying an illness is untreatable. Are you even aware of how you come off sounding sometimes or is it just too natural?

It's the truth! You constantly put down other peoples' opinions yet complain when people simply disagree with you. Incredible hypocrisy.

But, but that's YOU who does that all the time!

Only with ABF, and that's because he's an ass!

YOU are the one who constantly makes fun of things that people like.

No I don't! Wait, is this about the whole rant I had about action movies, JUST before I found out that apparently everyone here loves them? I swear, I thought I was among NERDS here, ya know? I thought everyone would agree with me!

Actually I wasn't thinking of that example, but thanks for bringing it up! I'm talking about putting down Weltall's dragon logo (before trying to make up for it, most likely after I made the above post), fittsy liking NIN, and so on. You do it very often.

What ARE you talking about? I never "put down" Weltall's dragony thing. That thing did look cool, but terrible for a company design, and if I remember correctly, you AGREED with me. Fitsy liking NIN? That doesn't even COUNT! It's socially acceptable to make fun of NIN! :D Yeesh, you do it yourself half the time...

Quote:Actually, you tend to give off the impression during an argument that you believe the other person shouldn't be thinking whatever they are thinking. Also, you give off a strong impression that you don't respect the other's opinion at all. Yeah, I know you say it's jokes or whatever when you call them idiots, but it's not readily apparent. Tact is important. Perhaps with some tact it would be more readily apparent, as in this case, that you don't actually think someone is stupid or has bad tastes for liking something else.

Exactly. And as this arguement proves it's not just with me, OB1. You do it with everyone you argue with and it's REALLY tiring. Insults for "humor" aren't funny in any way. And when you say them it does not look like you are trying to be funny...

OB1, the way you do that all the time is REALLY tiresome. I don't like how you insult me so often. I know I don't deserve it and it's wrong. It also does not help you in your arguements one iota... it makes arguing with you very tiring and ... well, almost not worth it.. because I know you will instead of thinking of what I said and writing a response based on what I mean you will just read off the top, insult me, and absolutely refuse to actually consider any of my ideas. You just restate what you said with insults. As I've said before, that is NOT how you conduct a discussion worth having.

But as OB1 says you're hardly perfect either DJ... between making statements that are argumentative and bring counterpoints that you never defend (how you think that is okay I will never understand)... yes, OB1 does that 'insult your opinions' thing ten times for each time you do it, but you do it too, definitely. I can think of some examples... other than what he mentioned. It makes your complaint of the same against OB1 somewhat hypocritical.

How about that WoW thread? I think it was that one anyway. Where we were discussing Warcraft III. ASM made some points about the current game balance. You then mocked him for using Warcraft-fan terms and 'just copying what you say elsewhere'. Then you left and never returned to the point when ASM and I said how stupid that was (to me your position there just shows that you are not a hardcore Blizz fan -- a Blizz fan would know those terms and would discuss game balance because it's such a big factor in the game! Oh but even if you aren't you should understand, given how you claim to be a nerd -- you care about so many things on that level that insulting someone for caring about another one is just stupid...)... that to me is cowardice -- running in, insulting someone, and running out. Worse in many ways than OB1 because you just leave.

Oh, you did defend yourself in the Enlightenment thread but again you attaked some... I mean, you almost made it sound like history didn't matter much and because you hadn't heard of the Enlightenment it didn't matter and you didn't really need to know what it was which is again quite dumb...

Quote:What ARE you talking about? I never "put down" Weltall's dragony thing. That thing did look cool, but terrible for a company design, and if I remember correctly, you AGREED with me. Fitsy liking NIN? That doesn't even COUNT! It's socially acceptable to make fun of NIN! Yeesh, you do it yourself half the time...

I agreed with you that a simpler logo was better, but the way you put it was completely tactless. And when do I make fun of NIN?

Quote:Exactly. And as this arguement proves it's not just with me, OB1. You do it with everyone you argue with and it's REALLY tiring. Insults for "humor" aren't funny in any way. And when you say them it does not look like you are trying to be funny...

The only person here I ever insult is you ABF, and you deserve every single one of them. Please point out where I insulted DJ in this thread, other than saying that I do not like the Fusion suit (which you did the same, BTW).

Quote:OB1, the way you do that all the time is REALLY tiresome. I don't like how you insult me so often. I know I don't deserve it and it's wrong. It also does not help you in your arguements one iota... it makes arguing with you very tiring and ... well, almost not worth it.. because I know you will instead of thinking of what I said and writing a response based on what I mean you will just read off the top, insult me, and absolutely refuse to actually consider any of my ideas. You just restate what you said with insults. As I've said before, that is NOT how you conduct a discussion worth having.

It is almost NEVER worth discussing anything with you, Brian. You live in a bubble where nothing but your own lonely, delusional observations and understandings of human behavior matter. I don't care if it's not your fault that you have no idea how incredibly fucking annoying you are. You're an asshole most of the time and I do not like assholes. You most certainly DO deserve every single insult that gets thrown at you. I only insult someone when they've tested my patience to the absolute limit, and you do that very often. The worst part about this is that you are completely clueless about what I'm talking about right now.

Quote:But as OB1 says you're hardly perfect either DJ... between making statements that are argumentative and bring counterpoints that you never defend (how you think that is okay I will never understand)... yes, OB1 does that 'insult your opinions' thing ten times for each time you do it, but you do it too, definitely. I can think of some examples... other than what he mentioned. It makes your complaint of the same against OB1 somewhat hypocritical.

How about that WoW thread? I think it was that one anyway. Where we were discussing Warcraft III. ASM made some points about the current game balance. You then mocked him for using Warcraft-fan terms and 'just copying what you say elsewhere'. Then you left and never returned to the point when ASM and I said how stupid that was (to me your position there just shows that you are not a hardcore Blizz fan -- a Blizz fan would know those terms and would discuss game balance because it's such a big factor in the game! Oh but even if you aren't you should understand, given how you claim to be a nerd -- you care about so many things on that level that insulting someone for caring about another one is just stupid...)... that to me is cowardice -- running in, insulting someone, and running out. Worse in many ways than OB1 because you just leave.

Oh, you did defend yourself in the Enlightenment thread but again you attaked some... I mean, you almost made it sound like history didn't matter much and because you hadn't heard of the Enlightenment it didn't matter and you didn't really need to know what it was which is again quite dumb...

What the fuck? You just spent two whole paragraphs telling me how wrong I am for "insulting" DJ, and now you admit that she's got more of a problem than I do. You're messed up, Brian. Severely messed up. I insult you because you piss me off, but I do not go around putting down people's opinions for no reason at all like DJ does. No, I just annoy the ones that annoy me first. Immature, sure, but when in Rome...

:far-out:

Indeed.

What? I just had never heard of the enlightenment. I never said history is stupid (though it's not exactly my forte). Sorry if you interpretted it that way, but I never meant to actually insult anyone, well except the Oklahoma school system. I don't see what the big deal was...

I'll just say this. I still have no idea why it's so wrong to say something "argumentative". That's subjective anyway. Big deal if I say something controversial, it doesn't mean I wanna fight about it. Making arguments and then just stepping away from the conversation? Don't see the problem there either, I'm just saying what I think fully realizing it won't go anywhere. Running in insulting someone and then leaving? Yes, I DO see the problem with that. I don't recall saying that, and I looked in the WoW thread (now totally dominated by some graphics debate I see) unable to find whatever post you mean. Did I say something especially offensive to ASM or something?

You know what makes me most angry? This whole thread started out with OB1 and I in perfect agreement, but suddenly everything went awry. Now sure the way I put it was rather obviuosly a lead in for an argument considering what I now know OB1 thinks (I had been convinced that OB1 actually liked the look of the suit), but OB1, is it just me or do you have the viewpoint that acknowledging the other person's opinion in something like this as perfectly valid somehow degrades your own opinion in some way?

So I can't say that I dislike something because you're gonna get all offended and think that I'm out to "get you"?? I've always hated the Fusion suit, so I'm surprised that you thought I liked it. I don't like it, you do. I explained why I don't like it, and you explained why you do like it. Then you got offended and started to accuse me of putting down your opinion, which resulted in me being very confused. I never said that you're an idiot if you like the Fusion suit! I just stated my opinion on it.

Yeesh, you people are so tiresome.

No, that's not what you did. You didn't just say "I personally can't stand it". You said "That suit is HORRIBLY ugly and I can't see how anyone with ANY sense of taste could like that clown suit!", then when I tried to defend myself you were all like "Okay fine if you like that ugly piece of junk whatever, but that's NOT organic or sleek and you are wrong for thinking it, it's worse than those old silver surfer suits!".

Oh please. Quote me!

Also, one last thing in defense of ABF. I've read enough threads of your wars to determine for myself that ABF most certainly did NOT deserve the bulk of all those insults as you claim. They were uncalled for.

Says you, Ms. Cranky Pants.

BTW it's Silver Hawks, not Silver Surfer.

Quote:Good gravy, I can't believe there's actually someone on this planet that likes that design, and even moreso than the original suit! Sends a shiver down my spine, I tell ya. There's nothing organic about that suit. It looks like a left-over rubber space clown suit from a bad sci-fi flick. And it doesn't even match the helmet! Just look at it! That design makes my eyes bleed.

As you can see, you find it frightening that I could ever hold such an obviously wrong opinion on the clown suit.

Quote:I hate the design. It looks like Nintendo had a contest at some elementary school for kids to come up with Samus' next design, and all of the entries except one got lost in the mail so they had no choice but to go with that crappy design.

Starts out as your opinion, but then it seems like you're explaining why it should be EVERYONE'S opinion.

Quote:Artistically it looks like crap.

That's in response to my defense of it from an artistic point of view. Ya know, just read the entire first page. Though I think I could have put that first post of mine about the suit better, I think I handled the whole argument very respectfully. You were the one to keep aggressing even after I tried just putting it behind us by summing it up as a difference of opinions. Of course, by the second page I too ended up acting da fool in the argument.

Wait, did I actually say "uncalled for" in that fasion? Ahahhaahaha! I think I actually ended up making fun of ABF MORE than you did with that! Don't get me wrong, I still think that, but wow I could have used a less um... stupid... line than that.

Quote:As you can see, you find it frightening that I could ever hold such an obviously wrong opinion on the clown suit.

Well that's no worse than you were about ABF liking The Rock or any of us liking action movies.

Quote:Starts out as your opinion, but then it seems like you're explaining why it should be EVERYONE'S opinion.

Quote:That's in response to my defense of it from an artistic point of view. Ya know, just read the entire first page. Though I think I could have put that first post of mine about the suit better, I think I handled the whole argument very respectfully. You were the one to keep aggressing even after I tried just putting it behind us by summing it up as a difference of opinions. Of course, by the second page I too ended up acting da fool in the argument.

So should I have said "I hate the design with a passion, but hey if you like it then that's wonderful"? Do I have to end all of my sentences with "IMO"? We know each other well enough to do away with formalities. If I dislike something I'll let it be known, and if you dislike something then you'll certainly do the same". If you want me to end everything with IMO and be more formal, then I'll do so. In return I'll request the same from you. The difference between you and me is that I don't go out of my way to put someone's opinion down with something that I have no interest in. I have great love for the Metroid series, so my opinions regarding it are passionate. But when you have no interest in something (say, movies in general, specifically ones with action), you go out of your way to put down the other person's opinion.

DJ I forget which thread that was in... as I said... or I'd post the link. But it was pretty annoying.

And OB1 all you're doing is proving my points for me... well except for when you say the only one you insult is me. That is untrue in numerous threads to a lot of people and everyone here knows it.

Insult as in name-calling. I can't help it if people (DJ) cry when I say that I don't like something that they like.

*Scratches his head* Samus got her old suit back at the end of Fusion...

No it was still the Fusion suit. Different color scheme.

But it did make it look a lot better. I like blue more than red or yellow but somehow that just doesn't work... that helmet is probably part of it in the artwork. Ingame it looks okay but not really anything special really... doesn't stand out as well as the normal one I guess.

Yeah the all orange suit looks a lot better than the one you start out with, but you don't use that through most of the game.

Oddly enough, when you get all of the suits in Fusion, you look exactly like the first Samus in the original Metroid. It would also make sense that Samus looks the way she does in Fusion since she is only half of what she once was. She had become apart of a monster, then unified with her other half (maybe even some of her lost humanity) from the SA-X. She litteraly looks like Samus mixed with a Metroid. Vanity aside, the Fusion Samus is the lightest Samus Aran we've ever seen (her power suit weighs a few thousand pounds) and those batman fins are actually what allowed you to grab ledges in Fusion. The skin-tight Fusion Suit is definately not as glamorous as the Power Suit, but it fits her character and the Fusion story-line perfectly. If I had a choice of what is the coolest looking Samus costume, I would have to say it's her one piece string bikini.

So far in Zero mission, I was able to break the chain of events multiple times and with practice I think you could be able to completely break the chain. I have two gripes with this game though, namely Kraid and Ridley. Way too easy. This is the first Ridley, a monster with the mind of genius and the general of the space pirates, he shouldn't be able to be defeated with a barrage of missles. Though I can safely assume that the next boss fights will be more challenging, Ridley atleast should have been near impossible.

I wanted to see a Ridley that will grab your missles and throw them back at you. Pinning you down and engulfing you in fire, able to rip you right out of your suit if given half the chance. In the story, this is the one and only Ridley, not a clone or a cyborg, but the real deal, so i'm dissapointed about that.

OB1/ Since you hate the Fusion Suit so much why dont you draw a version of what 'half a Samus' should have looked like in Metroid Fusion.

Quote:Oddly enough, when you get all of the suits in Fusion, you look exactly like the first Samus in the original Metroid.

Do you mean in-game or just the art/cut scenes?

Quote:It would also make sense that Samus looks the way she does in Fusion since she is only half of what she once was. She had become apart of a monster, then unified with her other half (maybe even some of her lost humanity) from the SA-X. She litteraly looks like Samus mixed with a Metroid. Vanity aside, the Fusion Samus is the lightest Samus Aran we've ever seen (her power suit weighs a few thousand pounds) and those batman fins are actually what allowed you to grab ledges in Fusion. The skin-tight Fusion Suit is definately not as glamorous as the Power Suit, but it fits her character and the Fusion story-line perfectly. If I had a choice of what is the coolest looking Samus costume, I would have to say it's her one piece string bikini.

If the fins allowed her to grab onto ledges then how come you can grab onto ledges in Zero Mission?

And Samus sure doesn't look half-monster. Her suit was all that was affected, right? I just hope she returns to normal in Metroid 5.

Quote:So far in Zero mission, I was able to break the chain of events multiple times and with practice I think you could be able to completely break the chain. I have two gripes with this game though, namely Kraid and Ridley. Way too easy. This is the first Ridley, a monster with the mind of genius and the general of the space pirates, he shouldn't be able to be defeated with a barrage of missles. Though I can safely assume that the next boss fights will be more challenging, Ridley atleast should have been near impossible.

I wanted to see a Ridley that will grab your missles and throw them back at you. Pinning you down and engulfing you in fire, able to rip you right out of your suit if given half the chance. In the story, this is the one and only Ridley, not a clone or a cyborg, but the real deal, so i'm dissapointed about that.

I agree, the boss fights were far too easy. Especially the last boss.

There seems to be quite a lot of sequence breaking in this game, at least as much as Super Metroid. Adds a lot to the replay value. :D

Quote:OB1/ Since you hate the Fusion Suit so much why dont you draw a version of what 'half a Samus' should have looked like in Metroid Fusion.

That's a good idea. I'll get to that after I'm done with all of the artwork for my game.

Quote:OB1/ Since you hate the Fusion Suit so much why dont you draw a version of what 'half a Samus' should have looked like in Metroid Fusion.

it's funny because when i first read this thread, that's the first thing i started doing. when i finish it i'll try to get it scanned and posted.

Awesome!

Yeppers OB1, the Metroid vaccine is a part of Samus herself. That would be why she almost died when the X infected her very nervous system, and why they injected it directly into her, and why she said "and I was born anew".

Well lazy, isn't it true that Ridley is the same one and only Ridley througout the Metroid series, with the exception of the robo-Ridley at the end of Zero Mission and the Ridley clone in Fusion? I was under the impression that for the most part, Ridley had been tweaked out and revived so many times you'd wonder how much of his original body is left. Well, not that body matters anyway. I'd certainly replace this inferior human form with some sort of futuristic nano-tech body given half a chance. Well, half a chance wouldn't be enough, considering what the word chance means in the first place, but given half a chance, I'd expand that into an ENTIRE chance, and THEN jump right on it.

Bosses are teh suck in Zero, as I said. More I replay, the more I think that. I know I know, the bosses in the original weren't all that good either. They too were morons who basically just sat there while you found cute hiding spots to pount them with missiles. However, that's not exactly the sort of thing they should have kept intact in the remake :D. I do believe Ridley COULD catch missiles in Metroid 3 and so on. The ability to pick you up and hold you against a wall until you did something he didn't expect would have been nice. Sure, it allows him to have developed those new strategies for his revival in M3, but still, he could have done something. See what you get when Nintendo does what you ask OB1? They are like those goth genies on the X-Files who don't actually grant the wish you ask for, but reanalyze what you said until they find out how they can grant the wish you DIDN'T want, and DIDN'T ask for, but they can say you did to the Genie high council later on.

Ya know, I found out you can't do a quick save in Metroid 1 on Metroid Zero. You can even do that quick save on the M1 they have in Metroid Prime, but not the version in Zero. I can see why, there's no second controller. Still, that was very useful, to be able to "save" without having to die, and more importantly, get out of those odd situations where I can neither get out (due to not having the right tool or whatever) or die. Oh well, that stretched thing messes with my abilities anyway. I move faster horizontaly than vertically. That's why I never stretch the screen on any of my GB/GBC games, the distortion affects how I play that way. When Link used to move just as fast both directions but now is superficially sped up left and right, I can't play the same way.

Me, I can't draw at all. I can barely write legibly. It's why I don't think I should be doing computer graphics. My mouse control in an attempt to model some frame would be terrible and I'd end up with some duck with a tumor in it's head rather than a unicorn like I wanted.

Hahaha, draw it!