Two things, first off I'll post the whole transcript of the chats that mentioned you if you want.
Second off, I don't expect you to suddenly be convinced just because I stopped arguing. I just wanted to voice my opinion, not convince anyone of it, so that's why I don't argue sometimes. Sometimes people do that. They call someone and talk to them just to get something off their chest, or they say their opinion on something, but don't really want to actually debate that opinion at all. It's called sharing and being open. No problem in you responding, but I just don't see any point in "resolving" something I never thought was an issue. I just think something you disagree with, let's leave it at that. No need to become one huge grey race.
Here's that transcript.
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Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 17:13:02 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 17:14:06 2003
Dark Jaguar: hello
Dark Jaguar: well, OB1 seems to think that nightmare is "cheap" because he has trouble with it..., at least that's how I see his argument
Session Close (A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 17:18:14 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 21:30:01 2003
A Black Falcon: onoffonoffonoff...
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 21:30:39 2003
Dark Jaguar: yeah
A Black Falcon: why?
Dark Jaguar: I'm trying to get yahoo's plugin to work, and you should talk!
A Black Falcon: huh?
A Black Falcon: uhh
A Black Falcon: yes, i agree ob1 is strange. :)
Dark Jaguar: With his logic, Prime's end boss was cheap.
Dark Jaguar: That too is hard to beat without loosing a life tank or too
Dark Jaguar: two
A Black Falcon: he states a positoon
A Black Falcon: position
A Black Falcon: then when threatened redefines the terms so he cannot be wrong...
Dark Jaguar: hmm...
A Black Falcon: or he does something, every time
A Black Falcon: okay... he found that guy really hard
A Black Falcon: but its odd... contradictory
Dark Jaguar: yeah...
Dark Jaguar: I mean, that boss IS hard, but not cheap
A Black Falcon: he acts like he's so good at the game and its so easy and ha ha you're so bad because you aren't as good at metroid
Dark Jaguar: Everything it does can be avoided, but it takes skill, and it isn't random type stuff
A Black Falcon: then says that that boss wasn't just hard but super cheap and is impossible to beat without being hurt a lot when i'm sure practice could do that?
Dark Jaguar: Plus, I think he misunderstood you talking about blocks and revealing them. No, shooting a block with your beam weapons won't reveal it.
Dark Jaguar: unless it can be destroyed WITH beams anyway :D
A Black Falcon: i know
A Black Falcon: he misunderstands me so often!
Dark Jaguar: Hey, the latest Trillian update finally supports MSN's pics :D Took them long enough
A Black Falcon: not as often as he does you though... :)
A Black Falcon: but enough to be annoying.
Dark Jaguar: yeah, but I think we have an understanding now. Generally, I avoid anything that could easily escalate with him.
A Black Falcon: i still don't get what he's talking about there...
A Black Falcon: lasers reveal stuff? huh?
A Black Falcon: they definitely do not!
Dark Jaguar: Samus' beams aren't lasers :D
Dark Jaguar: Small nitpick :D
A Black Falcon: same thing!
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: nope, a laser is a directed beam of light energy. Her beams aren't concentrated light.
A Black Falcon: basic gun. who cares what you call it... :)
Dark Jaguar: Some is a hot trail of plasma, some is a trail of heat absorbing freeziness, and her basic weapon, according to Prime, is an odd Chozo weapon that none have yet understood
Dark Jaguar: :D
A Black Falcon: then why is it so pathetically weak? :)
Dark Jaguar: Well, you two were nitpicking, so I joined in just now, and I SAID it was a small nitpick
Dark Jaguar: When it's charged it's not
A Black Falcon: true
A Black Falcon: but his 'positons' in this debate are so dumb
Dark Jaguar: yeah, another reason I didn't jump in
A Black Falcon: so i'm not that great at metroid.
A Black Falcon: no need to get so annoyed about it...
Dark Jaguar: Just know that I agree with you on the obvious stuff, though I disagree with you about a lot of it being hard to find.
Dark Jaguar: But
A Black Falcon: well you have more experience with metroid than i do, i'm sure
A Black Falcon: with experience comes being better at being able to spot the hidden stuff...
Dark Jaguar: You do acknowledge that you are new to it and of course that would mean you don't know what sorts of signs to look for.
Dark Jaguar: I know when I played Metroid 3, I had a hard time finding a lot of items and had to resort to, as you say, destroying every block in the game :D
Dark Jaguar: That would be my first Metroid game
A Black Falcon: ah.
A Black Falcon: using super bombs all over?
Dark Jaguar: Except when I played a friend's copy of M1 a while ago for all of 2 minutes :D
A Black Falcon: some design decisions they made are just there to annoy new players, itseems...
Dark Jaguar: heh :D
Dark Jaguar: Super bombs all over? Yeppers, I started doing that.
A Black Falcon: people who've been playing for a while already know where to look for hidden stuff so making it a bit more obvious wouldn't hurt. :)
Dark Jaguar: You may have noticed, as I did back then, that super bombs can reveal invisible passages due to a graphics engine glitch :D
A Black Falcon: don't think i did
A Black Falcon: do they in fusion?
Dark Jaguar: Even though I've played for a while when I started M4 it didn't all just jump out at me.
Dark Jaguar: It took some thinking, so no, I'd say making it more obvious would still hurt it for the experienced.
A Black Falcon: i just remember being so annoyed at being stuck in a few places before i found whatever stupid hidden path they want you to take
Dark Jaguar: OB1 has a knack for not just saying "I disagree" but rather "You are an idiot, and I am God, and everyone in the universe agrees with me"
A Black Falcon: yes, he does.
A Black Falcon: i mean... this isn't an objective arguement!
A Black Falcon: no two people have the exact same amount of skill at metroid. :)
A Black Falcon: oh yeah
A Black Falcon: and then afterwards he insults me for not making it clear that I mean "in my opinion"...
A Black Falcon: when his posts are several times more opinionated and insulting of the other opinion...
A Black Falcon: it just annoys me.
A Black Falcon: he says 'of course its opinion, believe whatever you want'
A Black Falcon: then when you try to state that belief insults you... and then says that you can believe it. Right.
Dark Jaguar: Yeah, but somehow I think he doesn't actually THINK all that. From what I understand, that's how he debates with his real world friends. It's "normal" for him.
A Black Falcon: ?
Dark Jaguar: I've seen other groups of friends who constantly run each other down like that as well, so I can see that being the case.
Dark Jaguar: They don't seem to take it seriously, and when they come across groups where such interactions are NOT the norm, they tend to get offended by it.
A Black Falcon: if he stated it differently it'd be so much better!
Dark Jaguar: Well, at any rate this sort of friendship is what OB1 has described to me
A Black Falcon: sure, i often leave out the 'in my opinion'...
Dark Jaguar: Which is no problem
Dark Jaguar: So does he
A Black Falcon: but he attacks me for that sometimes, while he is so much worse!
A Black Falcon: its hypocritical
A Black Falcon: and yes, "i am totally correct" is his standard "debating" position.
A Black Falcon: the difficulty of metroid...
A Black Falcon: sure, it'll take me way longer to beat prime than it will most people. But do most people finish the thing in 15 hours?
Dark Jaguar: ARound 15 to 20 I'd say
Dark Jaguar: But then again they take it all in one long go
A Black Falcon: true
Dark Jaguar: Most people don't kinda pop in every few weeks to look around. I imagine doing that makes you forget what you've done
A Black Falcon: yes, it does.
A Black Falcon: i'm sure that that makes it longer. :)
Dark Jaguar: Totally understandable.
A Black Falcon: also i'm scanning everything i can find...
Dark Jaguar: I know I've done that to some games as well
Dark Jaguar: Me too
A Black Falcon: not finding many missiles, though.
A Black Falcon: either they are hidden well or you don't get many until later...
Dark Jaguar: I love the scanning, even though it's not that big an interaction, it's strangely compelling
A Black Falcon: yeah
Dark Jaguar: Well, you aren't very far at all
A Black Falcon: i'd be farther if the lava area wasn't so hard to get through. :)
Dark Jaguar: Right, you JUST got the varia and are in the lava region aren't you?
A Black Falcon: no
A Black Falcon: i jsut got the boost ball
A Black Falcon: have to go back through the lava from the ice area
A Black Falcon: to that half-pipe way back...
Dark Jaguar: You using the hint system?
Dark Jaguar: I'll say this about that.
A Black Falcon: why is it so horrible?
Dark Jaguar: I was VERY angry to find out only AFTER beating the game that the hint system was actually that radar thing
A Black Falcon: all it does is give you a target room...
Dark Jaguar: Hey now!
Dark Jaguar: Don't get defensive
Dark Jaguar: I'm SAYING I myself used it the first time through, totally by accident.
A Black Falcon: you dislike it too though
Dark Jaguar: Wait a moment
Dark Jaguar: Hear me out
A Black Falcon: oh
A Black Falcon: and you'd have known that if you actually look around the menus. :)
Dark Jaguar: No, I looked all over
Dark Jaguar: I FOUND the hint option
A Black Falcon: but its there...
Dark Jaguar: I had no idea that's what it was
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: I thought it was the same thing as many other game's hint mode things
Dark Jaguar: You know, quick tips like the 'Craft games
A Black Falcon: so why is it so bad?
Dark Jaguar: I actually THOUGHT that it was in fact the instructions for using items that I'd get when I collected them
Dark Jaguar: And I NEVER SAID IT"S SO BAD!
Dark Jaguar: Let me talk
Dark Jaguar: that's OB1's words, not mine
A Black Falcon: but
Dark Jaguar: no buts
Dark Jaguar: Hear me out and THEN you may talk :D
A Black Falcon: you seem angry you didn't know how to turn it off.
Dark Jaguar: Of course, now let me get to that
A Black Falcon: what else should i think?
Dark Jaguar: Asking about it is wasted breath for I am ABOUT TO SAY ALL YOU WANT TO KNOW
Dark Jaguar: And I knew that I woudl before you asked
Dark Jaguar: Now then, as I said, I had no idea that's what it did. OF course it's obvious AFTER the fact but before?
Dark Jaguar: Laser Link made the same mistake actually.
A Black Falcon: huh
Dark Jaguar: Neither of us had any idea that the random scanning for things that occured now and again was actually the hint system.
Dark Jaguar: It was just called "hint mode" with no definition.
Dark Jaguar: I really wish they had at least defaulted it to off
A Black Falcon: but WHY
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, with that out of the way, the part about me hating how it wasn't obvious, lemme explain what I think of the system itself
Dark Jaguar: Which is SEPERATE
Dark Jaguar: As for the hint system itself, it didn't really give away all that much fortunatly (had it given away too many hints, I would be much more upset)
A Black Falcon: not really seperate
A Black Falcon: if you like it you don't mind if its a bit obtuse on how to turn it off, i'd expect
Dark Jaguar: Most of the time, it would just do something like tell me to go somewhere I was already heading or tell me what sort of power fluctuation it sensed up ahead
Dark Jaguar: I don't LIKE it
Dark Jaguar: I just don't hate it nearly as much as Ob1
A Black Falcon: true, you often do already have an idea of where to go...
Dark Jaguar: Because, as I said, it turned out not to really spoil much of anything
A Black Falcon: and i would say that it comes up too often.
A Black Falcon: it is annoying sometimes...
Dark Jaguar: I can't really think of any time it said to go somewhere I didn't think to go
Dark Jaguar: Not that often for me
A Black Falcon: especially like the tenth time it tells you to go to the same place
A Black Falcon: i KNOW already! :)
Dark Jaguar: In my game it didn't pop up very often at all
Dark Jaguar: Haha!
Dark Jaguar: Oh right, with the time you took
Dark Jaguar: I imagine it would pop up a lot more often :D
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: I'd have gone by many areas before the next hint appeared anyway
A Black Falcon: fusion is a lot easier...
Dark Jaguar: I imagine lots of hints were between them except I already went there beforehand
A Black Falcon: probably
A Black Falcon: its not that its super hard...
A Black Falcon: i just hit a frusterating part and quit for a long time.
A Black Falcon: mario sunshine is different...
Dark Jaguar: And they seem to appear not based on where you are in the game but based on some internal clock and it's set to hint at you after a certain amount of time
A Black Falcon: i haven't really played that one seriously in a long time
A Black Falcon: and zelda... well, i just got annoyed by the wind temple. :)
A Black Falcon: the main problem of course
Dark Jaguar: ah, I see
A Black Falcon: is i'm in the middle of way too many games all the time
Dark Jaguar: haha
Dark Jaguar: I've been there
A Black Falcon: i know i have many, many pc games i haven't finished and haven't played in months...
Dark Jaguar: :D
Dark Jaguar: Guess what I did?
Dark Jaguar: Guess guess!
A Black Falcon: what?
A Black Falcon: what what? :)
A Black Falcon: uhh
Dark Jaguar: I beat for the first time, Brood War, all by myself without the aid of cheats
A Black Falcon: got some pc game?
A Black Falcon: wow
A Black Falcon: great...
Dark Jaguar: I tell ya, the last level was tough
Dark Jaguar: I had to take out the UED first, because it was sending way too many air forces my way
A Black Falcon: like when i got f-zero and skies of arcadia...
Dark Jaguar: The whole time I had only just enough resources to do what I needed
A Black Falcon: f-zero is so amazing but i played more of skies
Dark Jaguar: indeed
Dark Jaguar: I need to play more Skies myself
A Black Falcon: which is why i still haven't beaten all the circuits on expert.
A Black Falcon: i've beaten the first 8 story missions but haven't got the points right now to unlock the last one...
Dark Jaguar: I can sense it's great, but I keep popping in and out of that game
A Black Falcon: but in skies, i have spent a quite large number of hours
A Black Falcon: like over fifty now
A Black Falcon: i'm pretty close to the end...
A Black Falcon: very good game
Dark Jaguar: hmm
A Black Falcon: the only problem is that the main game isn't very hard...
A Black Falcon: the only really hard missions are the bounties and the piastol fights
Dark Jaguar: Don't tell me that!
Dark Jaguar: I'm not very far in it!
A Black Falcon: i haven't said anything. :)
A Black Falcon: you can spend a lot of time if you want to find all the discoveries...
Dark Jaguar: I don't wanna know how hard it'll be.
A Black Falcon: i have not.
A Black Falcon: it'd just be too much wandering around fighting random battles. :)
A Black Falcon: some parts are hard. :)
A Black Falcon: its probably the best rpg on the cube...
A Black Falcon: so how hard was the last mission of BW?
A Black Falcon: brutal?
A Black Falcon: yesterday i played some more TFT...
A Black Falcon: beat like four missions no problem.
A Black Falcon: its pathetic...
A Black Falcon: i really wish it was harder. its just not as fun when its like that!
Dark Jaguar: Yes, the last mission was brutal, but I had all the time in the world fortunatly (after mission 9, it was nice to take some time)
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: Oh yes, in the Blood Elf campaign, did ya get the secret level?
A Black Falcon: uhh
A Black Falcon: if you ask probably not. :)
A Black Falcon: hmm
A Black Falcon: the only sidequest i didn't finish...
Dark Jaguar: Well, if you aren't sure, then you didn't
A Black Falcon: was the one where you needed the 10 parts of that orb
A Black Falcon: i only managed to find 8
A Black Falcon: secret level?
A Black Falcon: doubt it
Dark Jaguar: Are you at the undead campaign?
A Black Falcon: not yet
Dark Jaguar: Ah
Dark Jaguar: Well, you may not be where you can get it
A Black Falcon: how many per campaign?
Dark Jaguar: ONE secret level, per campaign? Well, I guess that would be 1/4
A Black Falcon: no
A Black Falcon: how many missions in each campaigh
A Black Falcon: n
Dark Jaguar: No set number
Dark Jaguar: It varies
A Black Falcon: huh
Dark Jaguar: undead has the most
Dark Jaguar: Broodwar-esque
A Black Falcon: i think i'm on NE 8... not sure, but i think so
Dark Jaguar: Night Elves eh?
Dark Jaguar: Okay then, nowhere near the secret level
Dark Jaguar: Let's just say "Baaa Ram Ewee"
A Black Falcon: sheep!
A Black Falcon: :)
A Black Falcon: then they blow up. :D
A Black Falcon: at least in war2...
A Black Falcon: can you make sheep explode in war3?
Dark Jaguar: Yes
Dark Jaguar: All critters can explode
Dark Jaguar: I wasn't aware they could detonate in WC2...
Dark Jaguar: I got them to say the annoyance phrase...
A Black Falcon: you need to click a LOT.
A Black Falcon: not sure if i've done it myself...
A Black Falcon: too many clicks. :)
Dark Jaguar: ah
Dark Jaguar: Not too much for them to go off like a nuclear explosion in WC3
Dark Jaguar: Just click repeatedly until boom
Dark Jaguar: It won't be that long
A Black Falcon: ok
A Black Falcon: i still think war2 was probably the funniest one...
Dark Jaguar: Wait
Dark Jaguar: I think I remember now
Dark Jaguar: I remember that I was trying to annoy everything
Dark Jaguar: And then I started with the critters
A Black Falcon: click on sheep like five hundred times. :)
Dark Jaguar: And got a sheep to say the baa ram ewe phrase
Dark Jaguar: Then I clicked over and over and over and over until BOOM
Dark Jaguar: Then I was just like....oops
Dark Jaguar: I mean it was like a frickin' scene from Family Guy
Dark Jaguar: I just kinda, scrolled back to teh base and said nothing
A Black Falcon: heh
Dark Jaguar: One moment, I have to restart
Session Close (A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 22:28:41 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 22:28:56 2003
Dark Jaguar: Well, that didn't work
Dark Jaguar: oh well
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, do you love turrets?
Dark Jaguar: If not, you better learn to love them for that secret level. I'll only add that it's the toughest one in Frozen Throne
A Black Falcon: well
A Black Falcon: it must be late in teh game then
A Black Falcon: oh...
A Black Falcon: will blizz ever give its characters a break?
Dark Jaguar: pardon?
A Black Falcon: every time they turn around something bad happens...
Dark Jaguar: haha
Dark Jaguar: Oh right
Dark Jaguar: And of course, Blizz gives a new meaning to "trust no one"
A Black Falcon: everyone is evil!
A Black Falcon: The Frozen Throne...
Dark Jaguar: Why, it won't be long before somneone betrays themself
A Black Falcon: is there ONE good character in the whole game?
Dark Jaguar: "I'm always one step ahead of me!"
A Black Falcon: i'm in the NE campaign but its already happened... :)
A Black Falcon: Maiev let Tyrande be swept down the river into that Undead base and presumably be killed or something...
Dark Jaguar: Well, I knew from teh start that Maiev was evil.
Dark Jaguar: Well, I knew that in the real world I'd consider her evil
A Black Falcon: evil...
A Black Falcon: sorta
A Black Falcon: treacherous? yeah
Dark Jaguar: I wondered if, as per usual in American stories, they would consider the dedicated do whatever it takes to get the job done thing the "good guy"
A Black Falcon: 'dedicated'? :)
Dark Jaguar: Too dedicated
A Black Falcon: yeah, dedicated
A Black Falcon: yes.
Dark Jaguar: Beyond dedicated
A Black Falcon: fanatical
Dark Jaguar: It's just wrong to abandon and betray everything for any goal
A Black Falcon: and when the opportunity to betray Tyrande presented itsself, she took it
Dark Jaguar: Think of the many elves under her command she dragged into her quest
A Black Falcon: the Blood Elves.
A Black Falcon: pleasant folk
A Black Falcon: not too far into their story yet...
A Black Falcon: but I can SO see the 'go to evil demonic magics' stuff coming
Dark Jaguar: FINALLY!
Dark Jaguar: I guess yahoo changed some things
Dark Jaguar: Now to log in using Trillian I first have to log in on some Yahoo thing, like yahoo mail
Dark Jaguar: Kinda annoying, but hey I need to check my maila LOT more often anywqay
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: Heh
Dark Jaguar: You know it
A Black Falcon: yes.
Dark Jaguar: I almost told you already anyway
A Black Falcon: i mean, couldn't they at least try to be subtle?
A Black Falcon: but no
Dark Jaguar: heh
A Black Falcon: they call themselves blood
Dark Jaguar: Forshadowing is for the weak
A Black Falcon: they wear red
A Black Falcon: magic has been greatly weakened, and the High Elves are completely reliant on it
A Black Falcon: and their people are dead making them lose much of their sense of reason.
Dark Jaguar: Well, only the sun well was fully weakened
A Black Falcon: thus, perfect demon-fodder
Dark Jaguar: Their source of magic
A Black Falcon: yeah. their source of magic weakened.
Dark Jaguar: Well, destroyed outright actually
A Black Falcon: true...
Dark Jaguar: I'm surprised they managed to have enough magic to last as far as they did before getting their new source
A Black Falcon: some shreds of their magic remain but its fading
A Black Falcon: demons make tempting offer...
Dark Jaguar: BRB
A Black Falcon: demons also hate undead.
A Black Falcon: Illidan... trying to destroy the undead... which would be good if not for the fact that it'd then let the demons in again i expect
*** "A Black Falcon" signed off at Wed Oct 22 22:57:21 2003.
Session Close (A Black Falcon): Wed Oct 22 23:09:00 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 13:07:20 2003
Session Close (A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 13:07:26 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 13:11:37 2003
A Black Falcon: stupid computer
*** "A Black Falcon" signed off at Thu Oct 23 13:13:09 2003.
*** "A Black Falcon" signed on at Thu Oct 23 13:13:41 2003.
Dark Jaguar: indeed
A Black Falcon: win me is so evil
Dark Jaguar: It just tries to do things that it's basic design isn't meant to do
Dark Jaguar: And it eliminated too much of what it was based on, DOS
A Black Falcon: it is garbage.
Dark Jaguar: They would have been better off just not releasing it.
A Black Falcon: worst os made in many years
Dark Jaguar: I kept 98SE anyway
A Black Falcon: its better
Dark Jaguar: Yeah
A Black Falcon: xp...
Dark Jaguar: I just replaced some 98 files with some ME files and it's the best hybrid
A Black Falcon: in some ways it is better
A Black Falcon: like not crashing constantly
Dark Jaguar: For instance, ME DOES have better disk scanning and defrag, so I just replaced the appropriate files
A Black Falcon: i just like having game compatibility...
Dark Jaguar: yeah
A Black Falcon: not just dos either
Dark Jaguar: That's why I have the duel boot with XP and 98SE
A Black Falcon: xp doesn't work with some windows games...
Dark Jaguar: Generally, the main problem with some old windows games is if they aren't designed to be true full screen
Dark Jaguar: At least for me
A Black Falcon: i honestly don't want a newer sound card
Dark Jaguar: Don't eh?
Dark Jaguar: I bet I know why too
A Black Falcon: any newer... and there probably won't be dos-emulation drivers for it!
Dark Jaguar: It's because all the new sound cards have poor DOS mode support right?
A Black Falcon: yes.
Dark Jaguar: Oh they still have them
A Black Falcon: emulated
A Black Falcon: in the hardware
Dark Jaguar: But it's all SB16 mode
Dark Jaguar: Very annoying
A Black Falcon: my soundcard looks like a standard soundblaster 16 to dos games. :)
A Black Falcon: hmm
A Black Falcon: it can also do roland i think
Dark Jaguar: Since before I upgraded I had SBAWE32
Dark Jaguar: Which kinda blew the SB16 out of the water
A Black Falcon: true
Dark Jaguar: What with the instruments sounding like ACTUAL INSTRUMENTS
A Black Falcon: but sb16 emulation is better than the alternative...
Dark Jaguar: Yeah, the speaker
Dark Jaguar: :D
A Black Falcon: roland sound system is better quality
A Black Falcon: i know, there's a XP app to make dos games have sound (VDMSound)
A Black Falcon: but its not as good as the real thing, for sure!
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, it would have been nice if the DOS drivers would emulate AWE64, the last true DOS card
A Black Falcon: and i somehow doubt that many at all of my dos games would even RUN in winxp, much less run fine from windows with full sound.
Dark Jaguar: haha
Dark Jaguar: That's true enough
Dark Jaguar: That's exactly why I HAVE 98
Dark Jaguar: SE
A Black Falcon: look at Duke Nukem 3d.
Dark Jaguar: ME did the worst thing, removing DOS support like that!
Dark Jaguar: Sure, there's work arounds, but that's annoying
A Black Falcon: in xp, people have managed to mess around enough to get the thing to run
A Black Falcon: but still... no way ot get sound
Dark Jaguar: yep
A Black Falcon: i'd miss teh dos support more if i had lots of dos games that don't run through windows just as well as they would in pure dos...
A Black Falcon: but honestly, most of my dos games work fine
Dark Jaguar: yeah
Dark Jaguar: IT's just nice to be able to get to true dos
Dark Jaguar: Plus, since the DOS stuff doesn't automatically load during ME, the DOS shell under ME is worse than the DOS shell in 98
A Black Falcon: true
Dark Jaguar: I had DOS games crash a lot more in ME than in 98
A Black Falcon: i do have a boot-disc that loads dos
A Black Falcon: /...
Dark Jaguar: Yeah
Dark Jaguar: But that's just annoying right there :D
A Black Falcon: it just doesn't have sound. or the cd (er, dvd). or the zip disc drive.
Dark Jaguar: And why go through all that work to get ME to kinda work when 98 is right there?
A Black Falcon: i've tried many times to get sound in dos mode...
A Black Falcon: everything i could think of
Dark Jaguar: Oh right, you need to get a batch file to load up the correct drivers
A Black Falcon: couldn't get it to work
Dark Jaguar: Windows normally handles this
A Black Falcon: right
Dark Jaguar: But if you are in true dos, time to do it yourself
Dark Jaguar: I have a batch file somewhere, but I rarely ever go into true DOS unless I'm doing something other than gaming
A Black Falcon: remember your friends autoexec.bat and command.com?
Dark Jaguar: XP is what MS should have done from the START
Dark Jaguar: heh
Dark Jaguar: of course
A Black Falcon: i tried to find a dos-sound driver and get it to work
A Black Falcon: it either doesn't work at all or has memory (emm386) errors and won't. oh well
Dark Jaguar: After waiting so long to release a very nice OS like XP, they create all sorts of problems, mainly for us gamers :D
A Black Falcon: XP...
Dark Jaguar: I'll say this though
Dark Jaguar: Get PRO!
A Black Falcon: is NT with more compatibility
Dark Jaguar: yep
Dark Jaguar: And NT is the good windows :D
A Black Falcon: but i'd never install it without a version of older windows too
Dark Jaguar: Home edition seems to be flawed
A Black Falcon: i have heard more than enough about older game compatibility. :)
A Black Falcon: flawed?
Dark Jaguar: It all comes down to it's repeated checks to make sure you aren't pirating it or whatever.
Dark Jaguar: Doing that kinda makes it crash more often than it should (read: at all)
A Black Falcon: huh
A Black Falcon: crashing?
Dark Jaguar: Fortunatly, the check-less Pro version doesn't have these problems
A Black Falcon: given that i use me...
A Black Falcon: i know something about crashing. :D
Dark Jaguar: Even Pro has ONE check it does, to make sure you didn't copy the system to a new HD (which I did a while back after buying a new one). However, that's easy to work around by deleting the file that identifies the specific disk it should run on :D.
A Black Falcon: it is seriously the most crash prone thing i've ever used
Dark Jaguar: indeed
Dark Jaguar: ME was just NUTS
A Black Falcon: windows 3.0 was more stable! :D
Dark Jaguar: The only good thing ME ever did was introduce the system restore feature, but it even screwed that up
Dark Jaguar: heh
A Black Falcon: i have that set to minimum because the two or three times i tried to use it it didn't work
A Black Falcon: so its like 5mb or something
Dark Jaguar: windows 3.11, I enjoyed that little thing only because it looks nifty keen, plus I felt so special because my dad let me actually use it (I had to to play the windows-exclusive games he just bought, like King's Quest 7)
A Black Falcon: i tried to disable it... but it keeps re-activating itsself.
A Black Falcon: i had 3.0 before 3.11
Dark Jaguar: We had 3.1 before 3.11, and my dad kept switching back between the two because of one little feature that was dropped in 3.11
A Black Falcon: hmm was it 3.0 or 3.1...
Dark Jaguar: He ended up messing with some files and got 3.11 with that feature added, JUST before his company started beta testing Win98. So, we got the "July Alpha build" of Win95
A Black Falcon: think it was 3.0, not sure
Dark Jaguar: Yes, it wasn't that stable :D
A Black Falcon: full-screen windows logo, not that vertical bar one in 3.11
A Black Falcon: and reversi and solitare as teh games, not minesweeper
Dark Jaguar: ah
A Black Falcon: and hearts and solitare
A Black Falcon: yep, reversi.
Dark Jaguar: As time went on, we got the "augest Beta" of it
Dark Jaguar: Then eventually, the full version
Dark Jaguar: And guess what?
Dark Jaguar: When you install a beta over an alpha, and then the final over the beta, you can create problems :D
A Black Falcon: we got win95...
A Black Falcon: win95 OSR2 that is. In summer '97.
Dark Jaguar: Especially if the os wasn't all that good to start with :D
A Black Falcon: we got win3.11 in Jan. '95. :)
Dark Jaguar: heh
A Black Falcon: didn't get win98 until 2000...
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, so 95 final ended up crashing EVERY TIME IT STARTED, but in a fortunatly merciful way. During startup, I got use to pressing enter to get past the "usual" blue screen
A Black Falcon: then i got my comp with ME in fall '01.
Dark Jaguar: Eventually, the whole OS was taken down and reintstalled
A Black Falcon: just before XP came out, i think...
A Black Falcon: few months later and i might have had xp i bet
Dark Jaguar: One thing about Win95, that system was one you reinstalled more than any other
A Black Falcon: win 95...
A Black Falcon: our computer with that worked great for years
A Black Falcon: it broke down three or four years after we got it...
A Black Falcon: but we wiped the c drive,messed around, and got the thing running with a fresh install of win98. :)
A Black Falcon: it still works.
A Black Falcon: well, actually...
A Black Falcon: even our win 3.11 p90 (now also running win98) crashes less than my comp... :S
A Black Falcon: i bet
Dark Jaguar: Win smily?
A Black Falcon: ?
A Black Falcon: its : S
Dark Jaguar: Guess that's just trillian
Dark Jaguar: Oh well, I get it now
A Black Falcon: unsure/bad...
Dark Jaguar: Not that one
Dark Jaguar: The one you apparently can't see
A Black Falcon: its similar to : S at TC...
Dark Jaguar: now also running win9, and then a smily
A Black Falcon: huh?
A Black Falcon: that was 8 )
Dark Jaguar: that's what I see
Dark Jaguar: ah
Dark Jaguar: When you put them together with no space, it's a smily in Trill here
Dark Jaguar: I suppose I could disable it
Dark Jaguar: One thing they should add to trillian is the ability to host converstions between different clients
A Black Falcon: ?
Dark Jaguar: It would work like if someone talked in AIM, the person in MSN would see "Dark Jaguar: Tunneling AIM Person: message"
Dark Jaguar: And visa versa, if I was the one hosting the connection
Dark Jaguar: Then trillian would be truly a single messeging solution
A Black Falcon: ah
A Black Falcon: that would be cool...
A Black Falcon: but could be tough to make. :)
A Black Falcon: so... what could blizz do? i mean, I don't dislike dark stories...
A Black Falcon: but they're really starting to repeat themselves and get predictable
A Black Falcon: hey
Dark Jaguar: Well, it's HOW they do the stories
Dark Jaguar: Tough to do? Not particularly. Using it might be confusing unless done well. One person would have to designate themselves as the "host" and everyone would have to come to that person.
A Black Falcon: but can't you just be on in all the services in trillian?
A Black Falcon: since the various ones aren't made to talk to eachother, how would you manage it?
Dark Jaguar: I just told you how I would manage it
Dark Jaguar: Essentially, when I recieved a message from the person using AIM, the program would immediatly send it to the user in MSN
Dark Jaguar: Of course, it would have to send it using my name
Dark Jaguar: So that's why the format would look like what I posted above
Dark Jaguar: To MSN, it would just be a message from me
A Black Falcon: then maybe they'll do it?
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: Exactly
Dark Jaguar: From what I understand, they are planning something like that
Dark Jaguar: At the very least, someone will make a plugin for that
Dark Jaguar: Trillian is nice enough to allow plugins
A Black Falcon: cool
Dark Jaguar: well, "allow" isn't correct, more like 'is designed to support them"
Dark Jaguar: Allow suggests the company has no part in it
A Black Falcon: well yeah...
Dark Jaguar: Yeha, you know what I mean
A Black Falcon: plugins are good
Dark Jaguar: indeed
A Black Falcon: adds lots of expandability
Dark Jaguar: One thing though
A Black Falcon: like winamp. :)
Dark Jaguar: Does Netscape allow you to easily turn on and turn off plugins?
A Black Falcon: huh?
A Black Falcon: why would i want to disable them?
A Black Falcon: no idea
Dark Jaguar: In case one was annoying you, or you didn't want it to install
A Black Falcon: never thought of that
Dark Jaguar: Perhaps you would rather have Netscape itself handle embeded midi files
A Black Falcon: oh
A Black Falcon: wait...
Dark Jaguar: As opposed to Quicktime or something
A Black Falcon: music on web-pages.
A Black Falcon: for some reason in ns for me they don't play...
Dark Jaguar: ah
A Black Falcon: i know NS can...
A Black Falcon: something broke it and i haven't bothered to fix it
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, IE, as of yet, I haven't been able to find a way to easily access some page full of plugings and just disable or reassigne them.
Dark Jaguar: Kinda annoying
A Black Falcon: i don't think you can disable plugins easily...
A Black Falcon: just look at a list ofwhich you have installed
Dark Jaguar: The thing about plugins for winamp, trillian, and so on is they are designed so you can easily enable and disable them
Dark Jaguar: Yeah...
Dark Jaguar: That's what I remember
Dark Jaguar: I just wasnt' sure if Netscape had updated it to be more than just a list
A Black Falcon: uhh
A Black Falcon: it lists whether they are enabled or not...
A Black Falcon: but i don't know how to disable them. :)
Dark Jaguar: annoying isn't it?
A Black Falcon: i guess, if i wanted to disable one...
A Black Falcon: though
A Black Falcon: you could go find the files and delete them. :)
A Black Falcon: it lists filenames
Dark Jaguar: yeah :D
Dark Jaguar: Regediting
A Black Falcon: uh
A Black Falcon: wouldn'
Dark Jaguar: wouldn't what?
A Black Falcon: wouldn't just deleting them in windows work?
Dark Jaguar: Well, the registry key is still there
Dark Jaguar: The worst thing about just deleting stuff that you actually installed is your system will still LOOK for it
Dark Jaguar: Over time this can slow you down
Dark Jaguar: That's why a true uninstall is best
A Black Falcon: ah
Dark Jaguar: If you don't have that, then finding all the registry keys is reccommended
Dark Jaguar: But hard
A Black Falcon: true
A Black Falcon: programs put keys in like five places...
A Black Falcon: or can
Dark Jaguar: more actually
Dark Jaguar: Programs put keys wherever they are programmed to put them
A Black Falcon: yeah
Dark Jaguar: Some will place no keys at all
Dark Jaguar: *rare*
A Black Falcon: emulators.
Dark Jaguar: Most media players these days saturate your registry with themselves autoloaded int he background ALL THE TIME and at the same time installing other stuff you dont' want..
A Black Falcon: virtually none have any registry keys
Dark Jaguar: It's enough to make me want to kill all humans
A Black Falcon: most you just have to unzip and use, not install...
A Black Falcon: games...
A Black Falcon: two or three places, i think
A Black Falcon: more depending on the game i'm sure though...
Dark Jaguar: I am wondering about something Super Mario Bros 3 related...
Dark Jaguar: I think I already know the answer though...
A Black Falcon: ?
Dark Jaguar: I do believe multiplayer was removed, replaced with the ability to select between Mario and Luigi before each level
A Black Falcon: yes, the old multiplayer mode is gone
Dark Jaguar: Sadly, this means that the ability for two players to challenge each other over cards and other prizes between levels (something that would have an actuall effect in-game), is gone
Dark Jaguar: I loved doing that with my sibs
A Black Falcon: as is the game's version of Mario Bros... its just got the same thing as the other three games
Dark Jaguar: I know!
Dark Jaguar: It's different
Dark Jaguar: And the Mario Bros. Classic they always include uses Mario Bros. 2 physics for some reason
Dark Jaguar: (you can even power jump)
A Black Falcon: it has 'mario and luigi' mode where you can switch between them or something
A Black Falcon: and luigi is different from mario like all these games
Dark Jaguar: yep
Dark Jaguar: Which is nice
Dark Jaguar: but still
Dark Jaguar: IT was always fun to be moving along, see the other player has that last star card you need, and decide "eh, I'll take it"
Dark Jaguar: And those levels, while ONE was classic Mario Bros, the rest were new
Dark Jaguar: Like the one where you ran around a pipe spewing fire
Dark Jaguar: Mario Bros 3 just seemed so "gigantor"
Dark Jaguar: And a part of that was playing that massive adventure with a friend you could play against sometimes
A Black Falcon: SMB3... funny that its still the best selling game ever
Dark Jaguar: still?
A Black Falcon: yeah
Dark Jaguar: I think others have beaten it many times over by now
A Black Falcon: 17 million!
Dark Jaguar: Hmm, now I don't know what to believe, so I don't believe this either
Dark Jaguar: I know sometimes "best selling ever" figures are held onto long after actually BEING beaten
Dark Jaguar: For instance, some still think ET is the best grossing film ever, even after multiple films have trounced it
A Black Falcon: has one sold more?
Dark Jaguar: I'm not even sure 17 mil is accurate
Dark Jaguar: But I had read when FF7 came out that it beat SMB3
Dark Jaguar: By lower numbers mind you, which is why the 17 mil comes under question
Dark Jaguar: Oh well, no matter
Dark Jaguar: It's certainly ONE of the best selling ever, and that's whta matters
A Black Falcon: its what i've seen used as the number recently...
Dark Jaguar: I'd always heard closer to 4 or 5 mil
Dark Jaguar: OF course, that's likely to increase as time goes by :D
A Black Falcon: worldwide!
Dark Jaguar: eh
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, no need to debate something we can't possibly have accurate data on
Dark Jaguar: But yes, that was a huge title
Dark Jaguar: That move "the Wizard" really pushed it, the first video game advertisement movie.
Dark Jaguar: The whole point of that movie seemed to be to advertise Nintendo games, and finish it off with a preview of SMB3
Dark Jaguar: Sold me :D
Dark Jaguar: But I think the lack of anything OTHER than Nintendo games should have been a big clue
Dark Jaguar: Even the ARCADE GAMES were all just Nintendo games, Nintendo games taht were NEVER IN ARCADES at that !
A Black Falcon: hey
A Black Falcon: have there been any other videogame movies that were ads for an upcoming game? :)
Dark Jaguar: Gee, I wonder...
Dark Jaguar: Upcoming?
Dark Jaguar: Not sure
A Black Falcon: yeah.
Dark Jaguar: Existing?
Dark Jaguar: Yes!
Dark Jaguar: Pokemon, the movie SERIES
A Black Falcon: that's what The Wizard was
Dark Jaguar: Duh, I JUST SAID THAT
A Black Falcon: how so?
Dark Jaguar: MAybe if you READ what I type, you wil see "how so"
A Black Falcon: i haven't seen any pokemon movies. :)
Dark Jaguar: Their very existance was an advertisement of sorts :D
Dark Jaguar: The Wizard, that autistic kid had to get to california didn't he?
A Black Falcon: he wouldn't speak
A Black Falcon: his parents had died or something...
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, now I just laugh at what happened there
A Black Falcon: he just played videogames. :)
Dark Jaguar: I mean, the first Ninja Turtles game in an arcade machine
Dark Jaguar: And then that one "punker" or whatever with the power glove :D
A Black Falcon: and at the end... SMB3. Wow!
Dark Jaguar: Well, SMB3 did look awesome first time I saw it
Dark Jaguar: I was all like "Mario's flying? As a raccoon? It makes perfect sense!"
Dark Jaguar: They never really stated what mechanism they were using to score the players though. IT all seemed forced :D
Dark Jaguar: Remember the Super Mario Bros 3 commercial?
A Black Falcon: no
Dark Jaguar: It was like the world was coming to an end, or uniting, or something, under Mario
Dark Jaguar: HAha, it was cool
A Black Falcon: not sure if i've seen it
Dark Jaguar: It showed a whole lot of people holding candles and wearing shirts gathered together saying "Mario, Mario, Mario"
Dark Jaguar: And then it zoomed out, and zoomed out some more.
Dark Jaguar: Until you started seeing Mario's face formed from their shirts
A Black Falcon: hey
Dark Jaguar: And then it zoomed out to show a view of hte planet, and you saw Mario's face as a big continent of sorts, while hearing the shouting from everyone in the world or soemthing
A Black Falcon: huh
Dark Jaguar: Rather impressive to most kids, who thought they actually GOT all those people to stand in one place and form a group that could be seen from space :D
A Black Falcon: hey
Dark Jaguar: You already said that
A Black Falcon: 1999 Guinness Book of Records said that SMB3 is #1 at 18 million
Dark Jaguar: Really? You have it?
Dark Jaguar: I'll say this, the book of records really annoys me
A Black Falcon: no, but it says so on a bunch of websites. :)
Dark Jaguar: They claimed that the Simpsons was the longest running animated series in the world some time ago, when I knew of at least 2 anime series in Japan that had beaten it
A Black Falcon: and yes i would say its kind of a dumb book
A Black Falcon: more than 14 years? :)
Dark Jaguar: No, as in most episodes
A Black Falcon: huh
A Black Falcon: uh
Dark Jaguar: if it's purely time, then it looses to everything on Nick at Night :D
A Black Falcon: uh
A Black Falcon: no those aren't still new i think... :)
Dark Jaguar: that wasn't the category you were talking about
Dark Jaguar: And besides, I'm talking about what they ACTUALLY used to determine it
A Black Falcon: well
Dark Jaguar: They said no other animated series had reached 200 episodes (where it was at at the time)
A Black Falcon: there's a anime series that long?
Dark Jaguar: But Dragon Ball Z, for instance, already had almost 300
Dark Jaguar: Not talking quality here, so don't start that up
A Black Falcon: but anime... its tricky, since they often have so many spinoffs and sequels to serieses
Dark Jaguar: Just pointing out that Guiness didn't do much research
Dark Jaguar: No, this was ONE series, DBZ
Dark Jaguar: I'm not including Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball GT
Dark Jaguar: Or the movies
Dark Jaguar: Easy to see how it went that far, what with all the training episodes and how long those battles would drag on;
Dark Jaguar: And the filler episodes where they had to wait until the maker got done writing the comics (they made the series while teh comic was being made, and ended up having to make a whole saga as filler)
A Black Falcon: 300???
Dark Jaguar: ALMOST 300
A Black Falcon: insane
Dark Jaguar: I think like 280 or so
A Black Falcon: its so bad...
Dark Jaguar: haha
Dark Jaguar: Anyway
Dark Jaguar: my point has nothing to do with quality
A Black Falcon: 300 episodes of garbage. :)
Dark Jaguar: It's that Guiness didn't check out Japan
A Black Falcon: ah
Dark Jaguar: They are the American record checkers, not the World record checkers
Dark Jaguar: They DO find people outside America often enough
A Black Falcon: how long ago was that though...
Dark Jaguar: Some time ago, but my point remains
A Black Falcon: i'd think simpsons is well over 200 now...
Dark Jaguar: They claimed it at that time
Dark Jaguar: They passed 300 by now
Dark Jaguar: So they finally beat DBZ
A Black Falcon: (Link:
http://www.gamecubicle.com/features-mari..._sales.htm)
http://www.gamecubicle.com/features-mari..._sales.htm
Dark Jaguar: The point is that at the time it had less.
A Black Falcon: SMB is the best selling game ever, at 40 million units...
A Black Falcon: since everyone with a nes got one. :)
Dark Jaguar: indeed
Dark Jaguar: Not everyone though
Dark Jaguar: They had the "basic" unit
Dark Jaguar: And the Famicom didn't have a pack in game
Dark Jaguar: No Japanese system has ever had a pack in game
A Black Falcon: really?
Dark Jaguar: that's right
A Black Falcon: hmm
Dark Jaguar: Pack ins were innovated by NOA as an attempt to boost sales
Dark Jaguar: And Nintendo of Japan, as well as others, found the systems sold plenty well enough without having to offer deals like that
A Black Falcon: the NES had great packins...
Dark Jaguar: Remember, at the time the US and Japanese sides were pretty "seperate"
Dark Jaguar: YEah, it had Mario Bros, m
A Black Falcon: two or three games and all kinds of accessories
Dark Jaguar: Mario duck hunt
Dark Jaguar: Mario/Duck Hunt/that running game
Dark Jaguar: And Mario/Duck Hunt/ That running game/ Gyromite
Dark Jaguar: The last one having ALL the add-ons in the box
Dark Jaguar: As a kid, low to the ground, that's the one I'd see in stores, on the bottom shelf
Dark Jaguar: HUGE box
A Black Falcon: Track and Field
Dark Jaguar: that's right, Track and Field
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, I gotta go now. I'll be back in like an hour or so though
A Black Falcon: ok
Dark Jaguar: chao
Session Close (A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 14:38:35 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 20:44:22 2003
A Black Falcon: hello?
A Black Falcon: i was out. :)
Dark Jaguar: j0
A Black Falcon: you see his main arguement there?
A Black Falcon: since he cannot beat nightmare easily without losing more than 1 health tank its cheap.
Dark Jaguar: I know, it's just weird
Dark Jaguar: He must be able to handle Prime's end boss a lot better than I
Dark Jaguar: Because he didn't call THAT cheap, and I always loose roughly half my health fighting that thing.
Dark Jaguar: At least I know I'm better at Nightmare than he is, though he's better at Prime's end boss.
Dark Jaguar: I mean, he totally ignored the strategy I posted.
Dark Jaguar: It's easy enough to beat that thing without taking all that much damage, just like the rest (well, not just like the rest, he IS harder than the rest, even the last boss).
A Black Falcon: he is unpredictable...
Dark Jaguar: Oh right, X have no gender.
Dark Jaguar: Anyway
A Black Falcon: his own experiences are not factual truths of difficulty!
Dark Jaguar: His pattern of movement I find is completely dependent on your own.
Dark Jaguar: Thus, you yourself control how hard it is to avoid him
A Black Falcon: the LAST last boss is easy!
Dark Jaguar: Not a bit of randomness
A Black Falcon: beat it on my third try
Dark Jaguar: Yeah
Dark Jaguar: That's expected
A Black Falcon: now the SA-X...
A Black Falcon: that was a pain.
Dark Jaguar: It IS just one other Omega Metroid after all
Dark Jaguar: I mean, I fought MULTIPLE omega metroids in Return of Samus
A Black Falcon: the SA-X was hard
A Black Falcon: then that beast thing after it was quite easy
Dark Jaguar: Yeah
A Black Falcon: then the X blob was the hardest one of those
Dark Jaguar: Yeah, but that's not saying much
Dark Jaguar: Just jump right after firing the missle
A Black Falcon: i got on the bottom and just fired missiles upwards until it died. :D
A Black Falcon: killed me at least twice before i beat it...
Dark Jaguar: ah, sucks to die to something easier than the boss you just beat
Dark Jaguar: But that's how it happened sometimes in Fusion
Dark Jaguar: I must say, when that first blob that fired when you fired did it's thing, my health was nearly gone and I didn't see it coming
A Black Falcon: you have to hit it right in the eye i think
Dark Jaguar: Well yeah
A Black Falcon: if you aren't prepared they can kill you easy...
A Black Falcon: especially since you often have very low health
A Black Falcon: well yeah? why?
Dark Jaguar: Well, it was only the first one that actually shot at me that caught me off guard
A Black Falcon: hey
A Black Falcon: did fusion have any metroids in it?
Dark Jaguar: I mean of course you have to hit it in the eye, as in, it's obvious
Dark Jaguar: Yes
Dark Jaguar: They were ALL OVER
A Black Falcon: oh
A Black Falcon: that hidden lab
A Black Falcon: ?
Dark Jaguar: SA-X was murdering them, for they were the natural predators of it
Dark Jaguar: And then the Omega Metroid at the end, the final stage of it's evolution
A Black Falcon: all the enemies were X...
Dark Jaguar: Um, yes
Dark Jaguar: Sorta
Dark Jaguar: X/whatever it possessed
Dark Jaguar: And a few creatures were not quite taken over yet
A Black Falcon: hmm
Dark Jaguar: IF what you meant was "do you fight any Metroids?"
Dark Jaguar: Then, yes, the last boss
A Black Falcon: i mean Metroids. :)
A Black Falcon: i guess that's a metroid
Dark Jaguar: Guess?
Dark Jaguar: Of course it's a metroid!
A Black Falcon: it was a really pathetic last boss
Dark Jaguar: IT's ALL Metroid!
A Black Falcon: well how would i know that from in the game?
A Black Falcon: it doesn't tell you
Dark Jaguar: Not a bit of X in it, because MEtroids EAT X!
A Black Falcon: doesn't X eat Metroid too?
Dark Jaguar: Oh come now, it was too much to have you fight something TOO Much harder
A Black Falcon: well
A Black Falcon: true
A Black Falcon: if you'd been able to save before it...
Dark Jaguar: At the end of Metroid 3, the final stage of Mother Brain after getting the final weapon was really easy too
A Black Falcon: but you can't, you ahve to fight all four bosses without saving
Dark Jaguar: Then it would have been harder
Dark Jaguar: Anyway
Dark Jaguar: The game does tell you
Dark Jaguar: In the ending cinema
Dark Jaguar: She says "after beating the Omega Metroid"
Dark Jaguar: On planet SR-388, the MEtroids have many stages
A Black Falcon: oh right
Dark Jaguar: The jellyfish with fangs is the normal stage
A Black Falcon: yeah
Dark Jaguar: Then there are many evolutions
Dark Jaguar: Alpha has it develop a tough skin
Dark Jaguar: Then it goes on, until it develops a sort of predator body around the central jellyfishy part
A Black Falcon: i haven't gotten to metroids yet in prime...
Dark Jaguar: That central part is the only weak point, but it's also it's power source
Dark Jaguar: You won't until the labs
Dark Jaguar: The pirates managed to evolve it in a different direction, instead of "alpha", it goes "hunter", a different stage where it gets elongated and has a projected energy "tentacle" of sorts
Dark Jaguar: It's cool
Dark Jaguar: You see, Metroids are VERY responsive to radiation, as is revealed in M2
Dark Jaguar: All a part of them being designed by the Chozo
Dark Jaguar: Oh yes, the ultimate stage past Omega is Queen
Dark Jaguar: On SR-388 anyway (as you can imagine, it's a planet that has very high radiation)
A Black Falcon: yeah
Dark Jaguar: Poor Chozo, sensing the very Zerg-like danger of the X, they created a life form to destroy them all, but ended up creating a new threat.
Dark Jaguar: Which ended up destroying Tallon IV in the end
A Black Falcon: and them...
Dark Jaguar: And of course, the galactic federation or whatever they are called seems to have some very UED conspiracies going on
Dark Jaguar: Then the pirates, who are, well, pirates
A Black Falcon: it seems a extremely corrupt government. :)
Dark Jaguar: indeed
Dark Jaguar: And Samus seems involved in all these groups
Dark Jaguar: She was raised by the Chozo, worked for the Federation, and scarred by the pirates
Dark Jaguar: And then she went freelance before Metroid 1, but she seems kinda dragged back in for Metroid 4.
A Black Falcon: i mean...
A Black Falcon: major galactic government can't surpress a few pirates? :)
Dark Jaguar: Hopefully, she'll manage to get a ship that WON'T self destruct if she goes AWOL so she can be on her own again :D
Dark Jaguar: It's not "a few" :D
Dark Jaguar: The so called pirates are actually an entire race
A Black Falcon: and so many hidden projects and stuff.
A Black Falcon: call them something more appropriate then!
Dark Jaguar: It's all very confusing, what with the science labs and the aliens and the lies upon liies
Dark Jaguar: IF they did that, then the people in the federation might panic
Dark Jaguar: Best to make it seem like something "minor" :D
Dark Jaguar: Besides, all their operations are pirate-like
Dark Jaguar: They basically just do raids
Dark Jaguar: Their end goals are the major concern
Dark Jaguar: Which is using the raided tech to build an unstoppable army and rule all the galaxy yadda yadda
Dark Jaguar: Then comes Samus, the girl with the Chozo suit, and she spanks them
A Black Falcon: have i mentioned that my computer must die? :)
Dark Jaguar: not lately, why?
A Black Falcon: it messes up all the time!
A Black Falcon: oh, did you say anything in the last few minuites?
Dark Jaguar: yes
Dark Jaguar: But oddly enough I didn't get any "this message can't be delivered" messages
Dark Jaguar: It's all very confusing, what with the science labs and the aliens and the lies upon liiesDark Jaguar: IF they did that, then the people in the federation might panicDark Jaguar: Best to make it seem like something "minor" :DDark Jaguar: Besides, all their operations are pirate-likeDark Jaguar: They basically just do raidsDark Jaguar: Their end goals are the major concernDark Jaguar: Which is
Dark Jaguar: It's all very confusing, what with the science labs and the aliens and the lies upon liiesDark Jaguar: IF they did that, then the people in the federation might panicDark Jaguar: Best to make it seem like something "minor" :DDark Jaguar: Besides, all their operations are pirate-likeDark Jaguar: They basically just do raidsDark Jaguar: Their end goals are the major concernDark Jaguar: Which is using the raided tech to build an unstoppable army and rule all the galaxy yadda yaddaDark Jaguar: Then comes Samus, the girl with the Chozo suit, and she spanks them
Dark Jaguar: that's what I just typed
Dark Jaguar: Oh no, did your computer mess up AGAIN?
Dark Jaguar: RESPOND! Agent code mauve, respond!@
A Black Falcon: the last one i got
A Black Falcon: wait
A Black Falcon: the last one i saw was the last one i sent. :)
A Black Falcon: (in that other chatbox, not this one)
A Black Falcon: ...
A Black Falcon: hello?
A Black Falcon: oookay
*** Auto-response sent to A Black Falcon: I am currently idle.
Dark Jaguar: heyllo
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*** "A Black Falcon" signed on at Thu Oct 23 21:19:33 2003.
A Black Falcon: diediediediediedie...
A Black Falcon: seriously i wish i could like pound this thing into dust...
A Black Falcon: it might make it run better, too. :)
A Black Falcon: messes up so much
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Dark Jaguar: hmm
A Black Falcon: coming back soon?
*** Auto-response sent to A Black Falcon: I am currently idle.
Session Close (A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 21:50:56 2003
Session Start (Dark Jaguar:A Black Falcon): Thu Oct 23 21:50:58 2003
Dark Jaguar: Do you exist yet?
A Black Falcon: ?
Dark Jaguar: Ah, you're back
A Black Falcon: uh i went somewhere?
A Black Falcon: you dissappeared...
Dark Jaguar: Well, it kept saying "ABF has gone idle"
Dark Jaguar: And whenver I tried saying something, you vanished again
Dark Jaguar: So I just left a bit, came back, and decided to see if you were here for keeps
Dark Jaguar: "Do not try removing the splinter from the eye of your friend before removing the board from your own."
Dark Jaguar: Oh great, did you vanish AGAIN?
Dark Jaguar: Hello?
A Black Falcon: uh
A Black Falcon: sorry, back
A Black Falcon: it said you were idle
A Black Falcon: even sent me a 'idle' message
Dark Jaguar: weird
Dark Jaguar: Did the same to you
Dark Jaguar: Wonder why...
A Black Falcon: either my comp or MSN. :)
A Black Falcon: msn is bad?
Dark Jaguar: huh?
A Black Falcon: messed up
A Black Falcon: or something
A Black Falcon: who knows...
Dark Jaguar: probably
A Black Falcon: oh, that saying
Dark Jaguar: Donwload the latest version, it's like 6.0 or something
A Black Falcon: good one.
A Black Falcon: :)
Dark Jaguar: YEah, heard it from some wise man
A Black Falcon: he'd say he doesn't have a board there. :DD
Dark Jaguar: Well, read it as a quote from him
A Black Falcon: ?
Dark Jaguar: anyway
A Black Falcon: hey
Dark Jaguar: MS has added yet another "must have thingy" to mice
A Black Falcon: my comp's been on most of the day!
Dark Jaguar: Now the mouse scroll wheel can be tilted left and right and it's analog
A Black Falcon: (and yes it needs a reboot) :D
Dark Jaguar: So you can scroll left and right now
A Black Falcon: but i never reboot it do it... no...
A Black Falcon: because often it doesn't help for long, unfortunately
Dark Jaguar: My mouse is plenty good enough though
A Black Falcon: huh...
A Black Falcon: interesting
A Black Falcon: tilted left/right?
A Black Falcon: sounds odd
A Black Falcon: can you still click it?
Dark Jaguar: yes
Dark Jaguar: I tried one out in the store
Dark Jaguar: IT's MS's latest mouse
A Black Falcon: huh...
Dark Jaguar: However, they once again have abandoned the ambidextrous mouse design in favor of rightys
Dark Jaguar: I tell ya, I'm SICK of the right man!
A Black Falcon: i have a basic 3-button intellimouse
A Black Falcon: its curved...
A Black Falcon: for right hadn
A Black Falcon: nand
A Black Falcon: hand
A Black Falcon: darn choppy computer
A Black Falcon: intellimouses have been curved right for years...
A Black Falcon: why is it bad?
A Black Falcon: unless you're a lefty... :D
Dark Jaguar: Nah, don't have a problem :D
Dark Jaguar: I'm actually an ambi, just like my mouse
Dark Jaguar: An MS optical with 2 buttons and a wheel
A Black Falcon: huh
A Black Falcon: yeah, MS makes the curved and the straight mice...
A Black Falcon: but curved ones always seem to be the ones you get with a new comp
Dark Jaguar: yeah
A Black Falcon: i wish i had an optical...
A Black Falcon: they are cool
Dark Jaguar: I just know a couple lefties who get annoyed with the fact that all MS's mice tend to come out curved and THEN ambi
A Black Falcon: no cleaning mouse-balls!
Dark Jaguar: the ambi ones are comfortable too
Dark Jaguar: I know
Dark Jaguar: The only reason I bought this new mouse was for the optical niceness
A Black Falcon: huh
Dark Jaguar: I just was totally fed up with cleaning my mouse out all the time
A Black Falcon: that's about the only thing that could get me to go and spend money on a moue. :)
A Black Falcon: mouse
Dark Jaguar: Since I got this, not only have I not had to clean it, it's always had PERFECT accuracy
A Black Falcon: cool
Dark Jaguar: There are only two rules
A Black Falcon: wait
Dark Jaguar: Make sure you don't use it on a mirror :D
A Black Falcon: don't you have to clean off those sticky strips/pads on the bottom?
A Black Falcon: well nto sticky
Dark Jaguar: And make sure you don't use it on a surface that has not a single bit of differentiation
Dark Jaguar: Nope
Dark Jaguar: They aren't sticky
A Black Falcon: but sticky to dirt. :)
Dark Jaguar: Those are just the pads that keep the mouse over the pad
Dark Jaguar: As of yet, I have never had to clean those
Dark Jaguar: These seem different than the old mouse ones that I know you talk about
Dark Jaguar: They don't seem to attract any dirt
A Black Falcon: cool
A Black Falcon: mine has these two long pads...
Dark Jaguar: I know
Dark Jaguar: I had the same one you have now
A Black Falcon: they attract dirt and when i clean the inside i have to clean them too. :(
Dark Jaguar: Heh, but I never really had to clean those anyway
A Black Falcon: i don't like them looking all covered in dirt...
Dark Jaguar: yeah, just sayin' is all
Dark Jaguar: Anyway, MS needs to go beyond the outdated sidewinder
Dark Jaguar: Sure it's comfortable, but I'm struggling to find a decent PC controller. What do you use?
A Black Falcon: saitek
A Black Falcon: Saitek p880
Dark Jaguar: What they should do is basically use their Controller S, maybe thinning it up a bit
A Black Falcon: OB1 has one too
Dark Jaguar: hmm
A Black Falcon: $20, solid pad
Dark Jaguar: hmm
Dark Jaguar: I'm looking at their site
A Black Falcon: no rumble, taht one's more expensive
A Black Falcon: but dual-analog, 10 buttons, and a decent d-pad
A Black Falcon: good d-pad actually
Dark Jaguar: DOn't really care that much about rumble. I can't think of many PC games that have it
Dark Jaguar: ah
A Black Falcon: no, not many
A Black Falcon: mostly
Dark Jaguar: are the triggers analog?
A Black Falcon: it jsut uses the software to rumble when there's a loud sound
A Black Falcon: no
A Black Falcon: but remember
A Black Falcon: PC doesn't have analo...
