Quote:Yes, the SP was definitely a step in the right direction for Nintendo. But according to ABF the GBA was already targeted towards adults so why did they make the SP look like less of a toy and target their ads towards an older demographic? Hmmm?
Oh, the SP is a move towards older gamers, for sure... not so sure if its for the casual older market, since I just don't see killer ap games for casual older gamers in the lineup (unless they like the genres that GBA has lots of, like strategy/tactical games and RPGs). Its trying to expand the GB market, sure, but its also there just for the GB's own older fanbase... since a lot of them were annoyed with certain features of the GBA... now if they'd have launched the SP with some new games or something for older gamers and lots of (good) marketing maybe it would be different, but that's what I see. And anyway, two years after a console comes out is a bit late to finally be trying to attract a market that isn't particularly drawn to an established console... but I don't know. Its a move but given the realities of the GB and Nintendo it can only do so much.
Quote:Hopefully Iwata will not make the same mistakes that Yamauchi did, but Nintendo is still anti-online, they still have bad marketing, and they aren't doing much to change their public image.
Those things are all absolutely true...
Quote:You know, I often wonder how cool it would have been if Nintendo had made the SNES backwards compatible, using the same slots as the NES basically (though of course the carts being shrunk is a must), and then made the N64 backwards compatible after that. Yes, I OFTEN wonder about that!
Those things would all have been so awesome...
Quote:It's because of the technology???!! Hahaha!
Yeah, it was because of the lesser technology that they took out cigarettes from the GBC Metal Gear game.
That's sad, ABF. There are only a handful of M-rated Gameboy games out there, and the reason for that is because publishers know what the Gameboy's target audience is.
"Technology"... oh my lord... That's rich.
I didn't mean the GBA about that, just the GB (and GBC to a lesser extent). The NES didn't exactly have 'mature' games in big numbers either...
Quote:So did I, especially since I already have three DVD players, but it did hurt Nintendo's GC sales.
I don't think it hurt that much...
Quote:Home console industry--
-Nintendo is king of the market, targets most of their games towards kids (even though "hardcore gamers" of all ages love them), and are so sure of themselves that they don't expect to lost that no. 1 spot anytime soon.
-Sony comes along, Nintendo fans laugh at them, but then they start attracting a whole new audience to gaming, and make video games "cool" to the general public. They take over the market from Nintendo because of great marketing and attracting adults and non-gamers to video games. Nintendo fans start crying.
Nope. When the PSX came out the SNES was pretty old. It was near the end of its life, technologically for sure. Nintendo had just been through a tough fight with Sega, and had barely pulled out a win... Nintendo had over half the worldwide market, but not by a huge margin. Sega had dropped, sure, after the CD and 32X, but it was still there... Nintendo was NOT 'clearly dominant'. And Sony came in at the perfect time, when Sega was down and Nintendo running on clearly aging technology for several years... Yes, Nintendo did make some great games in those last years, and that's why they managed to survive until the N64 came out. Their share dropped, but they lasted quite some time against better competition just on sheer inertia and great games... for their fans. Sony exploited the situation with great marketing and a powerful console. They just hit at the exact right time... the CD systems before them had the right idea, the technology just wasn't ready yet. It was when the PSX was designed. The general public admittedly likes the great graphics, and the PSX did that... SNES did great for a console in its situation, though, I would say. Better than Sega at that point for sure (remember for a while Genesis and SNES were tied...).
Oh, and as for the 'make cool to general public', I'd say the first campaign like that was Sega's with the Genesis. Not Sony with the PSX.
Quote:Handheld industry--
--Nintendo is king of the market, targets most of their games towards kids (even though "hardcore gamers" of all ages love them), and are so sure of themselves that they don't expect to lost that no. 1 spot anytime soon.
-Sony announced that they're going to enter the handheld market, Nintendo fans laugh at them, but Sony plans on attracting a whole new audience to handheld gaming and plans on making it "cool" like PDAs, mp3 players, portable DVD players, and every other portable electronics device that adults love. Blind Nintendo fans laugh at them and use such great logic as "while portable electonics and videogames are popular amongst adults and mainstream America, there's no way those two things could work together!", while others who've learned their lesson prepare for a huge war between Sony and Nintendo in the handheld market, hoping that Nintendo will come out on top but not really believing that they will.
You make them sound far, far more similar than they are! In this case, Sony will be coming against a console in the middle of its life... past its prime perhaps but still strong. Okay, so there are some comparisons -- the GBA will surely, like the SNES, last quite some time just based on inertia and great games being released... but there are also key differences.
Like 50-55% vs. 90-98%. That one matters. A lot.
How about this? The N64 was a year behind the PSX. The GC was a year behind the PS2. Both of those greatly hurt Nintendo. They clearly learned that that will not work... now in this case they do not need to be there on day one with Sony, no way, but they can't be a year behind. Three months? No problem... as I said the GBA will do great for some time after the PSX comes out... I don't know how it'll compare to the SNES and the PSX, but I think it could do as well as that one did. And, especially in Japan, the SNES did very well for years...