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It's not a "good" opinion???

Oh wow...

I'm at a loss for words right now.

You've completely lost it, ABF.

Good, accurate, 'reflecting all the evidence', whatever...

You should listen to yourself. You sound like a complete idiot.

I've given up on this 'debate'... but if you want that statement clear...

OB1 doesn't trust DJ. OB1 can't tell when DJ is joking. OB1 thinks DJ is always joking. OB1 gave up asking when DJ was joking because it got tiresome having to ask all the time. OB1 now ignores DJ's posts a lot. Now, OB1 still thinks DJ is never serious and can't be trusted to tell the truth...

Okay, its fine if DJ's posting style annoys you, that's just opinion. But just because DJ's posting style annoys you you go as far as you have in your statements? Its just absurd, especially when confronted with the facts.

Oh my LORD are you stupid, ABF!! I never said that I never think she's serious, just that I DON'T KNOW WHEN TO BELIEVE HER!!!!!!!!

I can't believe that you still haven't gotten that through your insanely thick skull!! Just how fucking stupid are you???

Um, that's pretty much what I said... DJ's posting style annoys and confuses you, so you don't think its worth the time to figure out when to believe DJ and when not to... okay, I can see that. But doubting DJ once she does say what the truth is?

That is not what you said! You that that I don't believe that she's ever serious, which is just a flat-out lie!

WOW. You are one thick-headed punk!

Fine, change a few words in that statement. Okay, it wasn't completely accurate... this should be about right.

As in,

OB1 doesn't trust DJ. OB1 can't tell when DJ is joking (nor can OB1 tell when I am joking, but that's another issue...). OB1 thinks DJ is usually joking. OB1 gave up asking when DJ was joking because it got tiresome having to ask all the time. OB1 now ignores DJ's posts a lot. Now, OB1 still thinks DJ is almost never serious and can't be trusted to tell the truth (since 'its usually jokes even when it sounds serious')...

You just can't trust DJ to tell you the truth when DJ clarifies if things are jokes or not. That is sad... DJ doesn't intentionally deceive after its clear others can't tell if its a joke... at least she doesn't to most people. Maybe DJ did to you because of how you'd never listen anyway, I don't know...

You're very naive if you think that DJ has never tried to deceive people into thinking that she's serious when she was only kidding. Naive and stupid.

And I know when you're trying to kid around, it's just that you're not funny.

I think that most of the time that people are decieved its an innocent mistake. Sure, DJ probably did do it on purpose and intentionally not clarify things quickly, but I highly doubt it happened much.

You're more naive than I thought you were.

No, I just trust that when someone I know and probably consider a friend says they are telling the truth that I believe them... that isn't nieve... if it was someone I didn't know? Sure, it would be.

And I don't know DJ personally very well, fool!

:bang: THAT :bang: IS :bang: THE :bang: WHOLE :bang: FUCKING :bang: POINT!!!!!

I still can't believe that someone could be as stupid as you are now.

Uhhhhh....

Haven't I said that about fifty times in this thread?

No, this whole time you've been saying how my opinion is "wrong"!

I swear, if I ever see you in person you're gonna nice big punch in the face. :hammer:

You just tune out everything that I said other than that... I said plenty more and don't feel like repeating it for a fifth time, but if you look you should see...

Okay, yes, you don't know DJ that well. You don't want to... okay, but it causes these problems...

Okay, I don't know why I headed back in here, but it would seem OB1 does in fact think I was trying to decieve... him... into... what?

Lemme say that this statement:

Quote:You're very naive if you think that DJ has never tried to deceive people into thinking that she's serious when she was only kidding. Naive and stupid.

is totally wrong. I've never done that. Now I KNOW you think I'm a liar.

In any case, also let me make it clear that I never actually demanded you believe me. I only demand that you change your reasons for not believing me. I act the same with you as I do anyone else here (no ABF, it's the same, and you can read this board to find out for yourself since that's the only place I ever talk to him except in some online conversations most of which you were a part of). I haven't earned your trust? OF course not! Not a single person here has. I've done nothing to cause you to treat me differently, so if you refuse to trust me, I only ask you say the truth, that you refuse to trust me based on a random arbitraty choice. That'll be fine by me.

Quote:is totally wrong. I've never done that. Now I KNOW you think I'm a liar.

No, I think he honestly believes that... he'd know better if he knew you better, but as he says he doesn't. Of course that is because he doesn't want to because your post style seems to annoy him or confuse him or something... I don't know... but he clearly refuses to try to understand how you construct your posts, and will defend his ignorance forever. Quite sad...

Quote:You just tune out everything that I said other than that... I said plenty more and don't feel like repeating it for a fifth time, but if you look you should see...

I can't believe you can just sit there and lie like that when your posts are readily available for everyone to read! This is what you wrote:

Quote:Sure, its your opinion that DJ is bad and all that... but it doesn't mean that its a good opinion

Quote:Opinion based on factual things that do not represent all of the facts, twisting your opinion

Quote:So I'm just supposed to ignore you saying that DJ is a untrustworthy person who never tells the truth? Yeah right!

As you can plainly see, you decided that because you feel differently about DJ, my opinion is "wrong" somehow.

Quote:Okay, I don't know why I headed back in here, but it would seem OB1 does in fact think I was trying to decieve... him... into... what?

Lemme say that this statement:

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You're very naive if you think that DJ has never tried to deceive people into thinking that she's serious when she was only kidding. Naive and stupid.
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is totally wrong. I've never done that. Now I KNOW you think I'm a liar.

In any case, also let me make it clear that I never actually demanded you believe me. I only demand that you change your reasons for not believing me. I act the same with you as I do anyone else here (no ABF, it's the same, and you can read this board to find out for yourself since that's the only place I ever talk to him except in some online conversations most of which you were a part of). I haven't earned your trust? OF course not! Not a single person here has. I've done nothing to cause you to treat me differently, so if you refuse to trust me, I only ask you say the truth, that you refuse to trust me based on a random arbitraty choice. That'll be fine by me.

I'm sorry but you did that many times in the past, and if ABF's memory weren't so damn terrible he would agree with me. On countless number of occasions, we've had discussions that ended in much confusion because you made serious posts but then turned around and said that you were only joking. We've talked about this many, many times in the past, and there was even a thread in TC recently which tried to resolve it. Very often you will make a post that sounds serious to most of us but then later you reveal it to be a joke. I used to think that you were just doing that to get out of an argument since we know how much you hate conflict, but you insisted that you were only kidding so I started to buy that. Ever since then I simply stopped caring whether you were genuinely being serious or simply joking, so in most cases I haven't taken your "serious" posts all that seriously. You continue to play the "I was actually kidding!" game so I continue to believe most of what you say is a joke, just to be on the safe side. This is most certainly not a "random arbitrary choice". I have explained this to you fools dozens of times now but you still don't want to listen. I'm getting sick of having to explain this to you and this thread has only reinforced my low opinion of you two. At least ABF has a reason for not being able to understand anything that he doesn't want to hear and for being completely inept when it comes to communicating with other people, but you DJ do not have such an excuse. Yours is simply a case of plain old stubbornness and stupidity.

And for the record, there are a number of posters here who I trust.

Quote:As you can plainly see, you decided that because you feel differently about DJ, my opinion is "wrong" somehow.

You can twist the statements to mean that, but they just don't. They simply mean that you willfully ignore and don't want to hear anything that would explain how DJ writes posts... and then you act like that ignorance makes it okay to make false accusations! That is just insane!

You think DJ deliberately decieves people by posting non-serious things as serious points and not making it clear. Sorry... but DJ just does not do that. Its not my memory thats bad... its your lack of understanding of how DJ operates that is faulty.

Yes, DJ has made statements then later said that they were jokes. True. But I would never believe that they were deliberate deception... DJ wouldn't do that, and every time is surprised that people can't tell they are jokes. Sorry, but you just don't understand DJ at all... and lack of understanding doesn't excuse what you are saying when you COULD, if you wanted to, try to understand it!

As I sit here typing this my mouth is wide open in shock. In all my years, out of all the people I have throughout my life, I have never--never--met anyone as mind-numbingly ignorant and thick-headed as you, ABF.

DJ constantly makes serious posts and then says that she was only kidding. She has fooled me, she has fooled other posters, and she has fooled you. There's nothing wrong with that as I realize that it's just DJ's usual immature behavior and the way she jokes around, but because of that I cannot really take most of what she says seriously. I wouldn't call it deceit or lies, just immature behavior as I previously mentioned. We've had several conversations about this very thing, and you've been very clear about your frustration with the way DJ acts. Now for some totally inexplicable reason you have decided to flat-out deny that this ever occurred. I am wracking my brains right now trying to figure out why on earth you would lie like this, but the only conclusions I have come to is that you are either not the same ABF that used to post here, you are a delusional schizophrenic, or that you have no self-respect and simply argue the opposite side no matter what the subject matter is, just for the sake of arguing. Perhaps that is an actual mental condition and you are simply incapable of doing anything different. I'm not sure what it is, but the one thing I do know is that you desperately need to seek medical help. I don't mean that as an insult, since I'm not really sure whether I should be angry or feel sorry for you.

OB1 OB1 OB1... I... just... First you say you didn't think that was the case at all, now you go ahead and go back to the VERY start of this confusion months ago with the assumption that I must be doing some weird kind of deception! Yes, we have talked about it, but I thought the conclusion you reached was that I truly WAS joking, not this! Not your ego taking over like this! It's true, it's really actually true, your ego is SO great that rather than accept that you couldn't get my joke, you assume I really was being serious and then tried "backing out" of my opinion by pretending I was joking!

...Is that who you think I am? Do you honestly think I'm someone that decietful and without any confidence in my own opinions? Do you really think I'd just back down in that manner? I'm very hurt by this. Congrats, you actually managed to hurt my feelings. I have tried working with you here, to come to an understanding, and it seemed you had at least finally realized I wasn't doing some weird kind of lie. I have no idea why anyone would actually be capable of doing that sort of thing. I mean, if I have BELIEVED it, why would I just instantly take it back? What kind of shallow personality do you think I have? I've fought many things I actually think before, why would I sometimes totally go against what I said and sometimes fight toothe and nail for it? That's psychologically impossible a thing to do! I have no idea how I managed to give you this false impression of me, but I should hope you will come to your senses and eventually apologize. Good day OB1.

OB1: But..

DJ: I say good day!

YES you idiot, YES! The whole point is that I DON'T know anymore when you're joking or being serious and that I am confused with what you say!

YOU are the one with the enormous ego, refusing to accept that other people can have their own distinctive opinions of you!

And by the way, the manner in which you constantly use the word ego suggests that you don't know the definition of it. You make no sense. I have an ego because I don't understand when you're joking or not? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!

Let me know when you two jackasses are ready to apologize to me.

I think things would be a lot better if this thread were to magically disappear, possibly caused indirectly by the action of someone who is an admin...

Don't you dare. I'm determined to make these two morons understand what I've been trying to say.

Do you understand what I've been trying to say this whole time, GR?

I do understand what you are saying and I agree with you TO AN EXTENT, but things are going way to far in this thread. This needs to end and very soon, wether by someone stepping down [yeah, right.] or by everyone just leaving this thread. But you won't do it will you? You just won't stop arguing with one another!! This isn't a debate!! It's a fist-fight between two people who are too stubborn to stand down!! I actually agree with you, OB1! I agree with you on this!! However, I'm not going to put myself in the middle of this, because all you have taken this way farther than it EVER should have gone!!

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I need something to smash!!

I just don't back out of fights. I wish I could, but when I know that someone is so wrong and will not listen to me, I continue until they finally get what I'm saying. If that never happens then I explode and take them down with me.

OB1 just has a really hard time, an even harder (or maybe much worse?) time than me, telling truth from jokes... that really is why there is an issue here... that fact and the fact that OB1 has not made an effort to understand how DJ writes. And he doesn't want to. It'd be just his problem if it didn't cause stuff like this... but it does. What are we supposed to do, just find it okay that OB1 will never trust one word DJ ever says???

There's nothing wrong about backing donw from a fight, espcially one that's as pointless than this. And believe me I've seen pointless arguements before. Okay, so you get ABF to admit he's wrong. So what? What have you acomplished? You got someone to admit that they were wrong about saying that your opinion about something was wrong. Sounds a bit silly doesn't it? Yes it is, but everyone takes it so seriously. Why? Because it's not the why that's so important, it's the winner. The only thing I can do now is tell you how foolish this whole things is and hope you can work things out...that AND delete the entire thread in one fell swoop!! But, hopefully things won't get that bad. :)

Quote:OB1 just has a really hard time, an even harder (or maybe much worse?) time than me, telling truth from jokes... that really is why there is an issue here... that fact and the fact that OB1 has not made an effort to understand how DJ writes. And he doesn't want to. It'd be just his problem if it didn't cause stuff like this... but it does. What are we supposed to do, just find it okay that OB1 will never trust one word DJ ever says???

YES. I do not like DJ and do not wish to get to know her better. Whenever I've chatted with her in the past she's either been rude or immature when I'm trying to be serious, and just a few minutes ago I tried to explain to her what I've been trying to explain to you two people in this thread but she just left in the middle of my typing. Perhaps she got disconnected, but I don't believe that was the case. I do not have the patience for her. Maybe someday when she grows up we can have an actual conversation and I might be able to differentiate between her serious posts and her joking posts. But until then...

Quote:Originally posted by Great Rumbler
There's nothing wrong about backing donw from a fight, espcially one that's as pointless than this. And believe me I've seen pointless arguements before. Okay, so you get ABF to admit he's wrong. So what? What have you acomplished? You got someone to admit that they were wrong about saying that your opinion about something was wrong. Sounds a bit silly doesn't it? Yes it is, but everyone takes it so seriously. Why? Because it's not the why that's so important, it's the winner. The only thing I can do now is tell you how foolish this whole things is and hope you can work things out...that AND delete the entire thread in one fell swoop!! But, hopefully things won't get that bad. :)

This needs to be resolved. I have to at least try to resolve it.

Quote:This needs to be resolved. I have to at least try to resolve it.

Yes, it does need to be resolved, but I don't think that's ever going to happen because both of you are dug in too deep now to budge from your positions.

This thread is like a train wreck. The longer it goes on the worse it gets.

Oh, one more thing. OB1, if you're really serious about you should try to see this from DJ's point of view and have a serious chat with that in mind. Also, don't bother trying to resolve this with ABF, that simply isn't going to happen, the only way you're going to come to any resolution is by talking to DJ. That's all the advice I have left, I just hope you guys you can settle this.

Quote:YES. I do not like DJ and do not wish to get to know her better. Whenever I've chatted with her in the past she's either been rude or immature when I'm trying to be serious, and just a few minutes ago I tried to explain to her what I've been trying to explain to you two people in this thread but she just left in the middle of my typing. Perhaps she got disconnected, but I don't believe that was the case. I do not have the patience for her. Maybe someday when she grows up we can have an actual conversation and I might be able to differentiate between her serious posts and her joking posts. But until then...

Its only bad when it affect how threads go... like here, when DJ makes it very clear that she's telling the truth and you disbelive her! Go ahead and think everything else DJ says is jokes, but when she makes it CLEAR that its the truth???

GR: I've tried to seriously chat with DJ in the past but it never works.

Quote:Its only bad when it affect how threads go... like here, when DJ makes it very clear that she's telling the truth and you disbelive her! Go ahead and think everything else DJ says is jokes, but when she makes it CLEAR that its the truth???

Well right now it is pretty clear that she is serious in this thread, but this is not most threads!

Well its working now. :)

Quote:Well right now it is pretty clear that she is serious in this thread, but this is not most threads!

:bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang: :bang:

Uh, you know that that's been one of my main points for about four pages now??

Well I was talking to OB1 online and managed to come to a peaceful compromise. We both admitted that our ENTIRE relationship it would seem has been one misunderstanding or misinterpretation after another, seeing character flaws that weren't there and so on. Essentially, the only option was a friendship reset. So, that's what we've done. It's all good now.

Now then, to eliminate this idiotic argument over nothing at all, I close this thread.

Sorry, but we're admins too... :)

Anyway, yes, if you stretch it it could be said to be from a lot of misunderstandings. If you say 'start over' the only problem is that the same thing will happen again... you're just delaying it. Oh well, if that's what you want...

You're an idiot, ABF. End of debate.

Just thought I'd throw in the last word here.

Quote:Anyway, yes, if you stretch it it could be said to be from a lot of misunderstandings. If you say 'start over' the only problem is that the same thing will happen again... you're just delaying it. Oh well, if that's what you want...

ABF,...just shut up. OB1 and DJ have to work this out themselves and I really doubt anything you say to OB1 will make things better, if anything worse.

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GR... you weren't involved in this...

And the three of us sort of resolved it yesterday... though as I said I don't know if it'll lead to any lasting changes. We'll see.

Just thought of something... there might actually be a chance, if OB1 meant what he said...

Quote:Well right now it is pretty clear that she is serious in this thread, but this is not most threads!

OB1, you took five pages to be convinced that DJ was being serious in this thread, but I'm very happy to see that you finally acknowledged that fact... admitting you were wrong must have been hard. :)

I just hope its not that hard in the future.

ABF, as I said a million times before, you're an idiot. Keep this thread CLOSED.

Oh come on I really don't deserve that now... but given you its hardly surprising...

You definitely deserved that. Now keep this closed!

What, and just ignore you insulting me like that for no good reason? Yeah right!

So uh, big guy. What kind of tattoo did you get? Got pics? (Only post pics if it is not in some un-picable place, thanks. :))