Tendo City

This thread is very confusing and by confusing I mean fully action-packed with a carmel center.

Ok my turn:

Quote:Look, just because I REALLY live in Oz doesn't mean the evidence doesn't directly point to me living in Okie land OB1!

And actually I'm fairly sure ABF does have transcripts of all my chats with you, since I've had a total of one short conversation with you alone.

Joking. A little bit of seriousness at the end, although it's difficult to tell.

Quote:Oh come on, you've taken my sense of humor and turned it into this weird character description of me just because you don't "get it".

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Sort of serious then joking.

Quote:I'm fairly sure he's accepted it now and is in a jocular mood, so allow me to say... my spoon is too big...

Serious and joking. Can't be taken seriously because of the joke.

Quote:Clever OB1, how long did it take you to come up with that one? And, I never intend to actually mislead. I just am very fuzzy. It's YOUR fault if you actually interpret my total lack of any actual statement as info in those cases. I mean, you ARE OB1, you should know more than anyone what it's like to be hazy on a topic Mr. "Your father died a long time ago"!

Barely serious. Joking.

Quote:Um, I don't think ABF ever said I wasn't adding any jokes. He was just saying I was also being serious and not joking about absolutly everything. You know, the biggest illusion people have about communication often enough is that it's been accomplished . When are we finally going to learn to communicate via pure thought?

Sort of serious, then joking.


You see, ABF? You obviously have a piss-poor memory otherwise I wouldn't have to be explaining all of this to you, but then of course you wouldn't be ABF if you did make sense.

DJ is almost never serious, and since her jokes are supposedly mixed with her seriousness you cannot take anything she says to be really serious, even when she starts arguments. Why do I respond to her sometimes as if she were serious? Because that's the way you play these kinds of games. Either you play along or get bored of it and ignore them.

You of course lack certain key human emotions so you get confused from time to time. One day you'll be frustrated with how you can't tell when she's joking or being serious, and then the next day you'll be defending her "clear and concise line between joking and seriousness". IMO you have a tinge of schizophrenia to you, but I'm no doctor so what do I know. I on the other hand am usually consistent with my point of views and don't simply change them on a whim like you do. I need a reason to change an opinion on something. Nothing here has made me think differently about the way DJ conducts herself at Tendo City. The only thing that has changed is just how crazy I think you are.

*psst!* It's gone way up!

How I.. conduct myself? What's that supposed to mean?

Yeesh, there's no convincing you. You haven't budged one bit in this whole thing.

Well, just for your sakes since you hate it when I leave, I'll go ahead and utterly destroy your arguments once again.

Look, ABF totally got what my intentions were in the various quotes of mine. I took extra care to MAKE it plainly obvious. You on the other hand are so afraid of me yelling at you for thinking it's a joke you assume that because a FEW comments were jokes you can't take the whole thing seriously. There's a clear line there. You're nutsburgers!

Oh, and why can YOU say jokes in the middle of your serious stuff and I can't? Should I assume your last post was all a joke because some of it was?

I'm not joking most of the time while you are. It's like trying to take Jim Carrey seriously. He always jokes around and does that "serious-but-really joking" thing that you often do, so whenever he's genuinly serious very few people believe it. That's what happens when you're joking 95% of the time.

Yeah, great job of "utterly destroying" my arguments. :roll2: The funniest part is that you added "again" to that statement, even though you've never stuck around in a debate long enough to destroy anyone's arguments. You just make one long rant and then leave, covering your ears and humming like a little child which makes you think that you've "won". Yup, you sure do have great debating skills! And that's not sarcasm! *wink wink, nudge nudge*

Okay, I have this teacher, right? He's exactly like this. He jokes ALL the time. Sometimes he tell you a story with a completely straight face and then when you believe him he throws the punchline at you and it turns out that everything he told you was a joke. Then, he'll try to tell you a serious story, but you can't tell if he's really serious or not because he tells jokes all the time!!

Was it a history teacher, because I think I had the same guy.

Yeah, I was going to actually go point by point, but got lazy and didn't delete that sentence.

Anyway, being that other people, most people, CAN tell. It's not on me, it's on you. It's your own fault if you can't tell the diff. Just admit it.

Jim Carey was great in the Truman Show and The Majestic. Not to mention Man on the Moon.

You couldn't take him serious?

Although he did act kind of goofy in two of those movies, that didn't lessen the impact of the dramatic portions of the films.

Well, it's the world against OB1 (plus one guy who plays devil's advocate all the time but he's cool). I'm just going to look, over here now. *slips out back door*

Yert again DJ shows how completely incompetent she is when it comes to debating.

Listen to GR, his example was perfect. I'm talking about Jim Carrey in real life, not Jim Carrey in the movies. He has done some dramatic movies before and it worked because you went in knowing that he would be serious. But if you look at him in real-life interviews you can never tell when he's being serious or not because he's almost always being funny.

ABF is the only one siding with you DJ, not the "whole word" as you are trying to convince yourself of. And ABF is siding with you is because he is certifiably insane. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll just change his views depending on who he wants to disagree with. You should not be proud to have him on your side because he'll turn around and argue the the complete opposite if he feels like it.

OB1... its amazing that you continue to show how stupid and unobservant (I know I have problems in this category, which is why must be REALLY bad when even I see it...) you are.

First. DJ is being more serious in this thread than usual. Must I repeat that again? DJ is being more serious than usual (for the forum of course). The fact that there are jokes in the serious points only shows that DJ is unable to make serious points on this forum without resorting to humor... not a bad thing, really, just a fact you need to accept...

Now, it sometimes does become a problem, as I have said... DJ always seems to think that its obvious, but in many cases it is not. But, as I have said, DJ always corrects it! And more often than not its clear... usually clearly not serious, but clear.

Quote:ABF is the only one siding with you DJ, not the "whole word" as you are trying to convince yourself of. And ABF is siding with you is because he is certifiably insane. It doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll just change his views depending on who he wants to disagree with. You should not be proud to have him on your side because he'll turn around and argue the the complete opposite if he feels like it.

That's just not true and you really should know it... I don't change my positions based on who I want to argue with! I base them on what I see as the facts... just like everyone should...

Quote:Okay, I have this teacher, right? He's exactly like this. He jokes ALL the time. Sometimes he tell you a story with a completely straight face and then when you believe him he throws the punchline at you and it turns out that everything he told you was a joke. Then, he'll try to tell you a serious story, but you can't tell if he's really serious or not because he tells jokes all the time!!

But if he tells you when they are jokes and when they aren't (even afterwards)...

Quote:Look, ABF totally got what my intentions were in the various quotes of mine. I took extra care to MAKE it plainly obvious. You on the other hand are so afraid of me yelling at you for thinking it's a joke you assume that because a FEW comments were jokes you can't take the whole thing seriously. There's a clear line there. You're nutsburgers!

Oh, and why can YOU say jokes in the middle of your serious stuff and I can't? Should I assume your last post was all a joke because some of it was?

DJ, your last point is great. OB1 does stuff like this all the time too... and I'd say that his stuff is even harder to figure out than yours...

And now we show how OB1 is looking more and more like a total fool with every 'refute' to the obvious.

Quote:Look, just because I REALLY live in Oz doesn't mean the evidence doesn't directly point to me living in Okie land OB1!

And actually I'm fairly sure ABF does have transcripts of all my chats with you, since I've had a total of one short conversation with you alone.




Joking. A little bit of seriousness at the end, although it's difficult to tell.

Nope. Its very clear that the first part is a joke and the second part serious. 'A little bit'? Uhh... no, that second section is completely serious...

Quote:Oh come on, you've taken my sense of humor and turned it into this weird character description of me just because you don't "get it".

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Sort of serious then joking.

Serious and then joking. 'sort of'? There is no 'sort of' there.

Quote:I'm fairly sure he's accepted it now and is in a jocular mood, so allow me to say... my spoon is too big...




Serious and joking. Can't be taken seriously because of the joke.

Sorry, but you totally got that one wrong. DJ honestly thought that you were joking about this and thus that it was over... so like DJ does, she made a joke...

Quote:Clever OB1, how long did it take you to come up with that one? And, I never intend to actually mislead. I just am very fuzzy. It's YOUR fault if you actually interpret my total lack of any actual statement as info in those cases. I mean, you ARE OB1, you should know more than anyone what it's like to be hazy on a topic Mr. "Your father died a long time ago"!




Barely serious. Joking.

Very serious statement followed by a Star Wars joke... which he thought you, of all people, would appreciate...

Quote:Um, I don't think ABF ever said I wasn't adding any jokes. He was just saying I was also being serious and not joking about absolutly everything. You know, the biggest illusion people have about communication often enough is that it's been accomplished . When are we finally going to learn to communicate via pure thought?

All serious. That last part could be considered a joke, or a comment about how frusterated DJ is over your refusal to understand how she communicates... I'd call it the latter, for sure.

Quote:You see, ABF? You obviously have a piss-poor memory otherwise I wouldn't have to be explaining all of this to you, but then of course you wouldn't be ABF if you did make sense.

DJ is almost never serious, and since her jokes are supposedly mixed with her seriousness you cannot take anything she says to be really serious, even when she starts arguments. Why do I respond to her sometimes as if she were serious? Because that's the way you play these kinds of games. Either you play along or get bored of it and ignore them.

You of course lack certain key human emotions so you get confused from time to time. One day you'll be frustrated with how you can't tell when she's joking or being serious, and then the next day you'll be defending her "clear and concise line between joking and seriousness". IMO you have a tinge of schizophrenia to you, but I'm no doctor so what do I know. I on the other hand am usually consistent with my point of views and don't simply change them on a whim like you do. I need a reason to change an opinion on something. Nothing here has made me think differently about the way DJ conducts herself at Tendo City. The only thing that has changed is just how crazy I think you are.

Its the very fact that unlike usual DJ is crystal clear in this thread about what is joke and what is not that makes me defend it... I'd never pretend to say that DJ always makes it clear, because its obvious that that is not the case, but IN THIS THREAD DJ is. Very clearly. The only reason you can't see that is because of your standard absolute stubborn way beyond the point of no return refusal to ever accept that your own personal impressions of things are not necessarially accurate...

And, of course, your near-total lack of IM chats with DJ like I have that prove beyond any doubt that DJ is fully capable of being serious when she wants to be. Like here.

Is DJ being serious, usually, when she posts arguements in threads? Often, I have no idea... I guess if it sounds logical I'll take it as truth, but plenty of times that is wrong. I do wish DJ would make it more clear when starting or entering a debate (and making what sound like logical arguements and not just jokes), of course! I definitely wish that DJ would be as clear about what is joke and what is not in other threads as she is being here! It would help a lot...

Quote:OB1... its amazing that you continue to show how stupid and unobservant (I know I have problems in this category, which is why must be REALLY bad when even I see it...) you are.

First. DJ is being more serious in this thread than usual. Must I repeat that again? DJ is being more serious than usual (for the forum of course). The fact that there are jokes in the serious points only shows that DJ is unable to make serious points on this forum without resorting to humor... not a bad thing, really, just a fact you need to accept...

Now, it sometimes does become a problem, as I have said... DJ always seems to think that its obvious, but in many cases it is not. But, as I have said, DJ always corrects it! And more often than not its clear... usually clearly not serious, but clear.

You are extremely naive. The way DJ has been acting in this thread leads me to believe that she's playing you, yet you don't see that. It's like the boy who cried wolf. After never showing any sort of seriousness for so long there's no way I can believe her so soon. You sir, are the stupid one.

Quote:That's just not true and you really should know it... I don't change my positions based on who I want to argue with! I base them on what I see as the facts... just like everyone should.../quote]

Oh please, you do that all of the time. You're very inconsitent with your views, for the most part.

[quote]But if he tells you when they are jokes and when they aren't (even afterwards)...

Alright, here's another analogy for you.

Let's say you have a neighbor who always throws pies at you whenever you walk out your door. Every single time you walk out that door that neighbor throws a pie at you and you try to dodge it. Then one day when you're about to walk outside your door he yells at you that he's not going to throw anymore pies, and tries his best to sound sincere. What would you do? Believe him and walk outside calmly, or not trust him and run outside in preparation of a pie attack? I would run away.

You get the idea.

Quote:DJ, your last point is great. OB1 does stuff like this all the time too... and I'd say that his stuff is even harder to figure out than yours...

And now we show how OB1 is looking more and more like a total fool with every 'refute' to the obvious.

I'm actually serious most of the time here, since most of my posts are devoted to stupid debates with you. So you are wrong, like always.

Quote:Nope. Its very clear that the first part is a joke and the second part serious. 'A little bit'? Uhh... no, that second section is completely serious...

Wait, you think she's serious about you saving the chat transcripts? Who the hell saves chat transcripts??

Quote:Serious and then joking. 'sort of'? There is no 'sort of' there.

Sort of because it sounds just like DJ when she's being fake serious.

Quote:Sorry, but you totally got that one wrong. DJ honestly thought that you were joking about this and thus that it was over... so like DJ does, she made a joke...

She always says that, even when she knows it's not true.

Quote:Very serious statement followed by a Star Wars joke... which he thought you, of all people, would appreciate...

I appreciated the joke, but didn't believe it to be serious! The way she wrote was too ABF-style serious, which is not in her character. It looked like she was mocking you, sort of.

Quote:All serious. That last part could be considered a joke, or a comment about how frusterated DJ is over your refusal to understand how she communicates... I'd call it the latter, for sure.

It's a joke to express her feelings! That's what she does!

Quote:Its the very fact that unlike usual DJ is crystal clear in this thread about what is joke and what is not that makes me defend it... I'd never pretend to say that DJ always makes it clear, because its obvious that that is not the case, but IN THIS THREAD DJ is. Very clearly. The only reason you can't see that is because of your standard absolute stubborn way beyond the point of no return refusal to ever accept that your own personal impressions of things are not necessarially accurate...

And, of course, your near-total lack of IM chats with DJ like I have that prove beyond any doubt that DJ is fully capable of being serious when she wants to be. Like here.

Is DJ being serious, usually, when she posts arguements in threads? Often, I have no idea... I guess if it sounds logical I'll take it as truth, but plenty of times that is wrong. I do wish DJ would make it more clear when starting or entering a debate (and making what sound like logical arguements and not just jokes), of course! I definitely wish that DJ would be as clear about what is joke and what is not in other threads as she is being here! It would help a lot...

Like I said before, I'm not as naive as you are! If someone acts a particular way on a consitent basis for an extended period of time, I don't immediately accept it when they do the exact opposite.

I should just say 'you clearly don't get it and won't get it so I won't say anything', but I just can't... :)

Quote:You are extremely naive. The way DJ has been acting in this thread leads me to believe that she's playing you, yet you don't see that. It's like the boy who cried wolf. After never showing any sort of seriousness for so long there's no way I can believe her so soon. You sir, are the stupid one.

Given how this arguement came up, ie you didn't know DJ is from Oklahoma (something I had known for a long time) I see absolutely no way to possibly doubt that DJ is telling the truth. None. And its not because I'm naive, its because DJ is one of the online-people who I've talked to a lot... the top three are, I'm sure, you, DJ, and The Biggah... and on the topic of DJ I've had plenty of serious conversations in IM about stuff (gaming often of course).... more than enough to know DJ definitely can be serious... but just doesn't like to debate much of anything. But we've talked about plenty of things without DJ constantly joking... I trust DJ enough to believe it when she says something as certainly as she does in this thread!

So I should always expect everyone I know online to always be lying to me? That's not a good way to go around...

Quote:Alright, here's another analogy for you.

Let's say you have a neighbor who always throws pies at you whenever you walk out your door. Every single time you walk out that door that neighbor throws a pie at you and you try to dodge it. Then one day when you're about to walk outside your door he yells at you that he's not going to throw anymore pies, and tries his best to sound sincere. What would you do? Believe him and walk outside calmly, or not trust him and run outside in preparation of a pie attack? I would run away.

You get the idea.

How about if that pie is always being thrown in another (guess who... :D ) neighbor's face, but only sometimes in yours while sometimes they talk with you normally instead of pieing you? That'd be a bit more accurate...

Quote:Wait, you think she's serious about you saving the chat transcripts? Who the hell saves chat transcripts??

I do sometimes... when they're long... I've got like 5 or 6 with DJ saved. And some with Biggah, some with Smoke (one of the very few people around here really into PC games and D&D games and stuff...). Some with you. 14 total. :)

Quote:Clever OB1, how long did it take you to come up with that one? And, I never intend to actually mislead. I just am very fuzzy. It's YOUR fault if you actually interpret my total lack of any actual statement as info in those cases.

*joke removed*

Quote:I appreciated the joke, but didn't believe it to be serious! The way she wrote was too ABF-style serious, which is not in her character. It looked like she was mocking you, sort of.

It sounds like DJ to me... with that 'why can't people tell when i'm joking, it seems to obvious to me' thing that she says all the time... :)

Quote:It's a joke to express her feelings! That's what she does!

Fine, so you agree with me about it then...

Quote:Like I said before, I'm not as naive as you are! If someone acts a particular way on a consitent basis for an extended period of time, I don't immediately accept it when they do the exact opposite.

DJ doesn't act that way 100% of the time.

You know, I wish DJ would do this instead of me, obviously... :)

Quote:I should just say 'you clearly don't get it and won't get it so I won't say anything', but I just can't...

Because you know you're wrong.

Quote:Given how this arguement came up, ie you didn't know DJ is from Oklahoma (something I had known for a long time) I see absolutely no way to possibly doubt that DJ is telling the truth. None. And its not because I'm naive, its because DJ is one of the online-people who I've talked to a lot... the top three are, I'm sure, you, DJ, and The Biggah... and on the topic of DJ I've had plenty of serious conversations in IM about stuff (gaming often of course).... more than enough to know DJ definitely can be serious... but just doesn't like to debate much of anything. But we've talked about plenty of things without DJ constantly joking... I trust DJ enough to believe it when she says something as certainly as she does in this thread!

So I should always expect everyone I know online to always be lying to me? That's not a good way to go around...

I've never seen DJ act serious for more than a few moments so I'm of course not going to just take your word for it.

Quote:How about if that pie is always being thrown in another (guess who... ) neighbor's face, but only sometimes in yours while sometimes they talk with you normally instead of pieing you? That'd be a bit more accurate...

No, the person is always throwing pies at me, and I don't care if he's throwing pies at anyone else since I only care about number one.

Quote:I do sometimes... when they're long... I've got like 5 or 6 with DJ saved. And some with Biggah, some with Smoke (one of the very few people around here really into PC games and D&D games and stuff...). Some with you. 14 total.

That's because you're a weirdo.

Quote:*joke removed*

Yet that's not how it was originally written! Amazing, huh?

Quote:It sounds like DJ to me... with that 'why can't people tell when i'm joking, it seems to obvious to me' thing that she says all the time...

Yeah well it certainly doesn't sound like DJ to me.

Quote:Fine, so you agree with me about it then...

Yes, so even when she's trying to make a serious point it's in the form of a joke!

Quote:DJ doesn't act that way 100% of the time.

You know, I wish DJ would do this instead of me, obviously...

DJ won't do that because her debating skills are so far ahead of ours that she doesn't even need to prove that she has actual debating skills!

Well you don't have to fight on my behalf, nor does PH (though I think he's doing it just for the fun of it). The 7th Guest I will say nothing about. In any case, what ABF said was dead on, and in this case, it's hard to see why you are so confused. I've said the same things over and over, but you never once acknowledge it. Tell me when I was joking and if you didn't get it I DIDN'T explain it right afterwards. That's what you need to do. No, I'm not playing with ABF here. You're just getting all weird. Yeesh, a couple years ago this wasn't even an issue. Heck, I was often criticized, BY YOU, for being TOO serious on some issues. In fact, I often got that criticism in the physical world too. Starting with TC, I worked a lighter mood into my personality, and it worked out fine. OB1, try being a little more sociable. Butting heads with everyone over everything is no way to make friends (excepting your friends that is...... ).

As for chat transcriptes, MSN Messenger has an option to save all chat logs in a folder automatically. Trillian has this feature too. I myself don't use it but I figure there's many out there who do, and I had assumed that ABF might be using that feature. That wasn't a joke.

You know, I've had many actual talks with you as well, like back in old TC, or RC, or TC before RC. It's all slipped your mind somehow though.

Well, as even ABF says, this argument isn't going anywhere. I myself would have left a lot earlier if it weren't for me wanting to ablige you and stay around longer as a token of good will (though it would seem arguing for a longer period of time isn't exactly the best token of good will it could be, who would have thought). Well, I'm outie. Though that LAST post kinda lacked any actual logic, I'll note that many times before that I made many valid points, none of which were ever actually addressed I might add.

Well, I'll simply shake your hand, take a bow, and make my leave on a lighter note. This lighter note is super boyant and capable of flight for short periods of time. However, the cost is it's slow disintegration of the user's sanity.

Oh I have plenty of friends so you don't have to worry about that. One thing I do not do is compromise my opinion just to make someone like me more. I'm not in such a dire need of friends that I have to hide my true views and opinions so as not to offend people.

This whole "debate" is about how I can never take you seriously because you're almost never serious around me. And for some reason that defies all logic whatsoever, you idiots are actually trying to convince me that I should be more gullible and ignore my instincts by simply trusting you whenever you say you're serious. I'm really in complete and utter shock that you two are still contuining this, as it is completely devoid of any logic and reason on your part. I'm sorry DJ, but your debating skills are a complete joke. You're making as much sense as ABF is, which I believe is something like negative sense.

When you mix joking with seriousness so often it is going to take me a while to start believing you when you claim to actually be serious. I am not a sheep like ABF is. It will take time before I can start believing the boy that the wolves are actually here.

Quote:No, the person is always throwing pies at me, and I don't care if he's throwing pies at anyone else since I only care about number one.

So if we turn that around, I shouldn't care what you think of the pie-thrower because my impression of them is shaped by how we interact, not how you interact...

Quote:As for chat transcriptes, MSN Messenger has an option to save all chat logs in a folder automatically. Trillian has this feature too. I myself don't use it but I figure there's many out there who do, and I had assumed that ABF might be using that feature. That wasn't a joke.

I didn't used to have that feature on, but now that you mention it, I might have enabled it a few months ago... *checks* Yup, enabled it in late July (7/30) '03. So since then all logs are saved... before that I just saved some good ones. :)

With OB1 since then I have a 1.24mb log and with DJ its 920kb.

Quote:You know, I've had many actual talks with you as well, like back in old TC, or RC, or TC before RC. It's all slipped your mind somehow though.

As per usual he blocks out everything that doesn't support his point.
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Quote:This whole "debate" is about how I can never take you seriously because you're almost never serious around me. And for some reason that defies all logic whatsoever, you idiots are actually trying to convince me that I should be more gullible and ignore my instincts by simply trusting you whenever you say you're serious. I'm really in complete and utter shock that you two are still contuining this, as it is completely devoid of any logic and reason on your part. I'm sorry DJ, but your debating skills are a complete joke. You're making as much sense as ABF is, which I believe is something like negative sense.

Uh, no. I have been saying "DJ is more serious around me" and "in this thread I have absolutely no trouble telling which points are serious"... because for me both of those things are absolute facts. You clearly don't have that background, or block it from your memory... because I know you've been in MSN chat when DJ was being serious! And you were POSTING in many of the TC threads where DJ was serious...

Oh well, you clearly have no intention of actually trying to remember those facts, and will never be convinced from your stupid current position.

Quote:When you mix joking with seriousness so often it is going to take me a while to start believing you when you claim to actually be serious. I am not a sheep like ABF is. It will take time before I can start believing the boy that the wolves are actually here.

At this point its quite clear that you'll never let yourself understand that DJ actually isn't joking all the time, and is serious more than you seem to think... but given that we've both said that twenty times and you've just ignored it every one of them, saying it again won't make a difference. :(

Quote:Yet that's not how it was originally written! Amazing, huh?

No, but it proves my point that the joke doesn't change the meaning or point of the statement one bit...

Quote:Yeah well it certainly doesn't sound like DJ to me.

Then as you have proven twenty times already in this thread, you don't know DJ at all... and don't care to learn. Too bad.

Quote:Yes, so even when she's trying to make a serious point it's in the form of a joke!

But that serious point is still a serious point!

Quote:DJ won't do that because her debating skills are so far ahead of ours that she doesn't even need to prove that she has actual debating skills!

DJ has done as much as anyone possibly could to convince you of her truthfulness... you just won't listen.

Quote:I've never seen DJ act serious for more than a few moments so I'm of course not going to just take your word for it.

I've had multiple discussions that were nearly completely serious and often lasted hours with DJ.

Quote:So if we turn that around, I shouldn't care what you think of the pie-thrower because my impression of them is shaped by how we interact, not how you interact...

Yes. Everyone in the neighborhood has their own relationship with the pie thrower, and each person has a certain level of trust between them and the pie thrower.

Quote:I didn't used to have that feature on, but now that you mention it, I might have enabled it a few months ago... *checks* Yup, enabled it in late July (7/30) '03. So since then all logs are saved... before that I just saved some good ones.

With OB1 since then I have a 1.24mb log and with DJ its 920kb.

How is that possible? I'm not even on msn that often.

Quote:As per usual he blocks out everything that doesn't support his point.

I "block out" points? What points? DJ's strange memory of what she thinks happened in the past? It doesn't matter how someone acted a year ago, what matters is how they act today. You relate to people in the present, not the past.

Quote:Uh, no. I have been saying "DJ is more serious around me" and "in this thread I have absolutely no trouble telling which points are serious"... because for me both of those things are absolute facts. You clearly don't have that background, or block it from your memory... because I know you've been in MSN chat when DJ was being serious! And you were POSTING in many of the TC threads where DJ was serious...

Oh well, you clearly have no intention of actually trying to remember those facts, and will never be convinced from your stupid current position.

You have fabricated a history that did not happen. DJ was never a serious person at Tendo City.

Quote:At this point its quite clear that you'll never let yourself understand that DJ actually isn't joking all the time, and is serious more than you seem to think... but given that we've both said that twenty times and you've just ignored it every one of them, saying it again won't make a difference.

Holy fucking hell, you're still ignoring every single point that I've made. Incredible. I AM NOT AS FORGETFUL AS YOU ARE!! I do not believe people who joke on a consistent basis to be serious! They have to prove to me, over time, that they are being sincere. You have to earn my trust.

Quote:No, but it proves my point that the joke doesn't change the meaning or point of the statement one bit...

Someone could also edit Mein Kampf to make it sound like a love letter to the Jews, I'm sure. But that's not how it was written.

Quote:Then as you have proven twenty times already in this thread, you don't know DJ at all... and don't care to learn. Too bad.

I formed an opinion on DJ based off of the many years I have visited this forum, and if DJ wants to change that view of her then she herself has to change. I never said it was a bad opinion of her, just one that is different than yours. Nothing that she has said or done makes me think differently of her.

Quote:But that serious point is still a serious point!

DJ has done as much as anyone possibly could to convince you of her truthfulness... you just won't listen.

She has done nothing to convince me that she can be absolutely serious at times. Not in my presence, at least.

Quote:I've had multiple discussions that were nearly completely serious and often lasted hours with DJ.

Yes, you idiot, you have had serious discussions with her! I have not, therefor I only know her to be the DJ who can never be serious and only kids around!! Do you really have such poor comprehension skills that you do not understand this very simple concept?? You can be extremely stupid at times, ABF.

There is nothing to argue about here. DJ, the person we are discussing, said I was compltely accurate... given that fact there is no way for you to sanely keep doubting it! It makes you look so, so stupid!

Quote:How is that possible? I'm not even on msn that often.

Its not pure text... so that's not a pure 'number of characters' size. Its got color and some formatting...

Quote:I "block out" points? What points? DJ's strange memory of what she thinks happened in the past? It doesn't matter how someone acted a year ago, what matters is how they act today. You relate to people in the present, not the past.

Things such as MSN conversations with all three of them in them... and what DJ said...

Quote:Someone could also edit Mein Kampf to make it sound like a love letter to the Jews, I'm sure. But that's not how it was written.

Oh come on, that's stupid... this has nothing in common with that example.

Quote:Yes, you idiot, you have had serious discussions with her! I have not, therefor I only know her to be the DJ who can never be serious and only kids around!! Do you really have such poor comprehension skills that you do not understand this very simple concept?? You can be extremely stupid at times, ABF.

You are contradicting yourself all the time... I really don't get your position here at all. So DJ can be serious, but is almost never to you, so you doubt what DJ says to everyone? Uhh...

Quote:She has done nothing to convince me that she can be absolutely serious at times. Not in my presence, at least.

The fact that this thread doesn't convince you says more than I ever could about what you think.

Quote:There is nothing to argue about here. DJ, the person we are discussing, said I was compltely accurate... given that fact there is no way for you to sanely keep doubting it! It makes you look so, so stupid!

Are you kidding me??!! Are you being serious right now?? Because if what you just said was serious then you are the dumbest person I have ever known. I mean it.

This is about how I see DJ based off the the time I have spent talking with her. It's not about what you think, and it is not about what DJ thinks. You and DJ cannot convince me how I think of you two just as I cannot convince you two how to think of me!

This is such an incredibly simple concept yet you have completely failed to grasp its meaning. I am very, very dissapointed with you, ABF. This really makes me sad.

Quote:Things such as MSN conversations with all three of them in them... and what DJ said...

My opinion on DJ is based off of all the topics and msn chats I have shared with her.

Quote:Oh come on, that's stupid... this has nothing in common with that example.

That was a very good example. You have to edit DJ's messages to get a serious meaning out of them, which is something that you do in your mind. I do not.

Quote:You are contradicting yourself all the time... I really don't get your position here at all. So DJ can be serious, but is almost never to you, so you doubt what DJ says to everyone? Uhh...

I am not contradicting myself as I have been totally consistent with my views this entire time. You are the one who is confused.

I don't care if DJ is serious around you because this is not about you. This is about how I see DJ, and how I see DJ is determined by my interaction with her. But this is obviously such an insanely complex concept for you that you cannot understand it.

Quote:The fact that this thread doesn't convince you says more than I ever could about what you think.

This thread has changed my mind about two things:

1. DJ acts very differently around other people then when she's around me.

2. You have insanely poor comprehension skills and can't even understand the most simplistic of ideas and concepts.

Ugh... Well, it's obvious you do consider me a liar. Since you don't trust me, that can only mean you think I was lying. Once again, when I joke, I point it out if there's confusion pretty much immediatly after someone gets confused. When I'm serious, I don't. That's all there is to it. Since you are doubting me even now that mans you don't trust me. I can't believe I'm restating something I said at the very start...

That's it, I'm outie. You think I'm a liar, I suppose I'll have to deal with that for now.

I never once said "liar", but just like ABF the only way for you to rebut in an argument is by twisting around or even completely changing other people's words.

I just said that since you're always joking--and in the past I've thought you were serious but it turned out that you were actually joking--I find it hard to believe when you claim that you are actually being serious. That's it. You two fools turned this into something that it wasn't about.

And I don't always ask when I'm confused as to whether or not you're joking or being serious. I stopped doing that a long time ago after I got bored of it all.

WOW. You guys can turn almost anything into a heated debate. It's amazing I tell you!

Uh, OB1, 'I do not trust a word you say and think that you are almost never actually being truthful' means 'I think you are lying almost all the time!' There is absolutely no other way to explain it! You think DJ is a liar. That is both cruel and idiotic... and completely false. But you'll never belive otherwise, so there is no point in arguing.

Quote:I just said that since you're always joking--and in the past I've thought you were serious but it turned out that you were actually joking--I find it hard to believe when you claim that you are actually being serious. That's it. You two fools turned this into something that it wasn't about.

No, we did not. We explained the situation as it is and you absolutely refused to accept that what is happening is what is actually happening.

Quote: And I don't always ask when I'm confused as to whether or not you're joking or being serious. I stopped doing that a long time ago after I got bored of it all.

Yeah, you just ignore DJ's posts... which is far worse...

Quote:I don't care if DJ is serious around you because this is not about you. This is about how I see DJ, and how I see DJ is determined by my interaction with her. But this is obviously such an insanely complex concept for you that you cannot understand it.

You don't care about how DJ actually is, just about how you can maintain your own flawed view of her...

Quote:This thread has changed my mind about two things:

1. DJ acts very differently around other people then when she's around me.

2. You have insanely poor comprehension skills and can't even understand the most simplistic of ideas and concepts.

1. is probably true. :) I guess DJ is less serious around you than other people... and you ignore or 'forget' the cases when she is serious, getting your flawed hypothesis as a result.

Quote:WOW. You guys can turn almost anything into a heated debate. It's amazing I tell you!

This is completely ABF's fault. I made an innocent comment and he turned it into something big.

Quote:Uh, OB1, 'I do not trust a word you say and think that you are almost never actually being truthful' means 'I think you are lying almost all the time!' There is absolutely no other way to explain it! You think DJ is a liar. That is both cruel and idiotic... and completely false. But you'll never belive otherwise, so there is no point in arguing.

NO, what that means is that I don't believe her to be serious when she says she is since in the past she has pretended to be serious and when I fell for it she said that she was only kidding. I don't think that she's lying, just joking. Look it up if you're confused by those two words.

Quote:No, we did not. We explained the situation as it is and you absolutely refused to accept that what is happening is what is actually happening.

WOW, you are such an idiot, ABF! We're talking about how I see DJ, not how your stupid self sees her. GAH, how can you be so dense???!!

Quote:Yeah, you just ignore DJ's posts... which is far worse...

No, I stopped falling for her jokes.

Quote:You don't care about how DJ actually is, just about how you can maintain your own flawed view of her...

I'm serious ABF, you are being such a total dickweed right now. And I never say dickweed, so you know it's got to be bad. You're so confused and so unwilling to listen to reason that I have lost all respect for you that I once had.

Quote:1. is probably true. I guess DJ is less serious around you than other people... and you ignore or 'forget' the cases when she is serious, getting your flawed hypothesis as a result.

I have a very good memory and have forgotten nothing. Your "my opinions are the only right ones" attitude is wearing very thin.

Quote:I have a very good memory and have forgotten nothing. Your "my opinions are the only right ones" attitude is wearing very thin.

Sorry, the only one here who thinks like that is you.

Quote:This is completely ABF's fault. I made an innocent comment and he turned it into something big.

It was hardly innocent by any stretch of the imagination...

Just admit that you're basing your opinion of DJ on incomplete information and that there is the possibility for DJ to be serious (sure, as always she mixes in some jokes, but i see NO WAY that that could make the points themselves suspect! Not in this thread, at any rate!)...

Does DJ joke? Yes, all the time. But DJ is also perfectly capable of being serious! Its happened so many times that I am just amazed that you 'forgot' it all...

Quote:Ugh... Well, it's obvious you do consider me a liar. Since you don't trust me, that can only mean you think I was lying. Once again, when I joke, I point it out if there's confusion pretty much immediatly after someone gets confused. When I'm serious, I don't. That's all there is to it. Since you are doubting me even now that mans you don't trust me. I can't believe I'm restating something I said at the very start...

is pretty much all there is to it. How you continue to doubt DJ's words is beyond me... I'd think that by now you'd know DJ well enough to be able to see when she's being serious... because, as DJ said, you two HAVE before been involved in the same serious discussion. Sure, more often DJ isn't serious... but its not all the time. Sorry. Maybe to you DJ is less serious... but that hardly changes the fact that in plenty of topics DJ HAS been serious! And not just in IM, in the forum to... maybe you just ignore DJ's posts most of the time or something, that'd explain it pretty well.

The quickest way to end an arguement is just to stop replying. You guys do know that, right?

Quote:Sorry, the only one here who thinks like that is you.

Oh, real fresh. :roll2:



You still don't get it, do you? I am going to repeat myself ONE MORE TIME, and that's that. Pay attention this time because I will NOT repeat myself again. I'll even use extra-large font since you have such difficulties understanding me.



THIS DEBATE IS ABOUT HOW I LOOK AT DJ BASED OFF OF MY EXPERIENCE WITH HER, NOT YOURS. TRYING TO CONVINCE ME THAT I'M "WRONG" ABOUT HOW I VIEW HER IS LIKE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME THAT I'M "WRONG" ABOUT LIKING STAR WARS!! WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT GET??!!!!

Quote:The quickest way to end an arguement is just to stop replying. You guys do know that, right?

... yes...

Look, OB1, if you REALLY want to continue to think of DJ in ways that just aren't the way she is go ahead... its far too much to ask for you to try to see DJ as she is, clearly. Its quite obvious why DJ never is serious with you... what would the point be? You'd never believe it anyway... so why should DJ bother? You would just effectively (sure you don't use the words but there is no other way to sensibly describe it) say DJ is lying again...

As for 'all those examples where DJ misled me and then didn't explain it was a joke until asked later', I bet that DJ honestly thought that everyone could tell they are jokes... she just assumes far too much about others being able to see her jokes. You take it as intentional lies and deception? I wouldn't, I think that in nearly every case that I can think of that it's almost certainly unintentional... except for the times DJ was just joking with you. :)

I'm SURE that DJ is serious SOMETIMES, but my point has always been that I can never TELL when she's serious or not because in the PAST she has pretended to be serious and then admitted to be JOKING!

Is that REALLY that difficult to understand????!!!!!

Just added some to my last post. Read the rest. :)

I never went as far as to say "lies and deception", just that I really don't believe her when she says she's serious. It's going to take more than just her word, since I've been fooled in the past.

Sooo DJ isn't lying, nor is she decieving, but she isn't telling the truth? Uhh... what do you call it then...

J-O-K-I-N-G!!

Quote:joke ( P ) Pronunciation Key (jk)
n.

1. Something said or done to evoke laughter or amusement, especially an amusing story with a punch line.
2. A mischievous trick; a prank.
3. An amusing or ludicrous incident or situation.
4. Informal.
1. Something not to be taken seriously; a triviality: The accident was no joke.
2. An object of amusement or laughter; a laughingstock: His loud tie was the joke of the office.

Okay, so DJ makes posts that are jokes but look like actual points with nothing to distinguish between the two, intentionally trying to decieve you or something? I know DJ makes jokes that can often be confused with non-jokes, but there's no intentioal deception there... just a lack of understanding of how easily other people see the jokes... but you clearly got tired of that and gave up... which is too bad because DJ makes plenty of good points. Oh well, there's no point in going any further with this.

There was no point going here in the first place, but you decided to make an argument out of nothing since you're such a big ass.

Wow. You know out of a total of 140 posts in this thread only the first FIVE were actually on topic.

So....Final Fantasy Tactics, right? Is good game, no?

Its just amazing that you think I am the one acting stupid in this thread, given how you've acted...

You started this entire argument!! Are you really that delusional??!

Sometimes I really feel like driving over there and smacking you upside the head, ABF. If only I knew where you lived..

Uh... go back to the beginning of this thread and read it again... you started it! That is an incontestible fact... you started saying how you didn't know where DJ lived. DJ said that she lived in Oklahoma, as did several of us... it went from there, but you started it without a shadow of a doubt. How you get me starting it when you made the first comment in the direction of this arguement, and then when several of us (not just me, and not me first) told you the truth and gave proof it went from there... but you made the first comments! And I don't think I was the first to reply to them!

Oh yeah, and editing my post isn't nice.

What? I didn't edit your post.

Yes I made a comment about how I can never take DJ seriously, but then you decided that my opinion of her was wrong, because you've got the biggest ego in the universe and are a complete dick.

So I'm just supposed to ignore you saying that DJ is a untrustworthy person who never tells the truth? Yeah right!

Umm...I don't want to interupt your...discussion but...ABF, wouldn't it be better if you let DJ handle her own battles?

....

It's just a suggestion! *is beaten to death*

Quote:because you've got the biggest ego in the universe and are a complete dick.

Oh, the irony is delicious.

Wait wait wait...DJ is a SHE?

Quote:Originally posted by Fittisize
Wait wait wait...DJ is a SHE?

That seems to be a recurring response in this thread.

I think we need to make a thread titled "YES! DJ is a girl, fer cryin' out loud!".

Quote:So I'm just supposed to ignore you saying that DJ is a untrustworthy person who never tells the truth? Yeah right!

No stupid, you're just supposed to accept the fact that everybody has their own views on different people!!! It's what we over here on planet earth call an opinion.

Quote:No stupid, you're just supposed to accept the fact that everybody has their own views on different people!!! It's what we over here on planet earth call an opinion.

Opinion based on factual things that do not represent all of the facts, twisting your opinion... but oh well, you have made it clear listening isn't something you consider.

Quote:No stupid, you're just supposed to accept the fact that everybody has their own views on different people!!! It's what we over here on planet earth call an opinion.

Opinion based on factual things that do not represent all of the facts, twisting your opinion... but oh well, you have made it clear listening isn't something you consider.

Oh, and DJ did a pretty good job of defending herself... I really couldn't think of how someone could do better considering...

You are such an idiot, and you're so isolated in that delusional little world of yours that not even all of the logic and reason in the universe could get a simple concept as "it's called an opinion, fuck face" through to you.

There's no such thing as an objective opinion on someone, just as there's no such thing as an objective opinion on what kind of ice cream is good.

Sure, its your opinion that DJ is bad and all that... but it doesn't mean that its a good opinion... but whatever, we should drop this.