A Left Wing Cannot Flap Alone, Which Is Why We Needed Dick Cheney's Endorsement

[Weltall]

So, as a short recap of what's been going on, the Republican Party is a clown's kingdom from top to bottom, and yet it is the Democrats who end up wearing pie. You might be asking yourself, what year is it? Is it 2010 and we're talking about the Democrats letting the Tea Party curb stomp Hope and Change before it is able to even walk? Is it 2014, and we're talking about the Democrats learning, to their evident surprise, that Obama's re-election was no more a national mandate on Democratic politics than was his first win? Is it 2016, and we're talking about how the absolutely unstoppable Death Star managed to blow itself up just as it was about to wipe out those pesky rebels once and for all? 

Haha no, nothing may have changed whatsoever about the ineptitude, arrogance, and blindness of the Democratic Party, or their ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, or their laser focus on squandering of whatever gains they actually do realize. However, it is, in fact, a different year on the calendar, and it is a new episode of let's be sad and argue about it. 

On today's episode, Donald Trump, at his weakest, oldest, and most pressured, managed to win a clear, undeniable victory over the forces of good. It was the most decisive outcome of his three campaigns. We join each other, with a lot of questions to ask ourselves.

Is the United States dominated socially, economically, and politically by racist morons, and should we apply that label to everyone who ever voted for Trump until they see the error of their ways and learn to vote correctly?
Did the Democratic Party seriously torpedo its own credibility and lose 20 million voters, or did those 20 million voters owe their votes to the Democratic Party, and should we focus on blaming and shaming them until they vote correctly with more consistently? 
Why did all those idiots vote for Trump because of the economy? Couldn't they see how good the economy is? Are they stupid?
Is it because Kamala Harris was a woman, or because she was a black woman? 
Was it even really as bad as it looks, since we did make a few marginal gains here and there? 


These debates, and more, on the 2024-28 episode of the traditional politics megathread

[Dark Jaguar]

And Cheney's daughter is, notably, NOT Dick himself.  I don't get this total obsession the democratic party, or partisan politics in general, has with "dynasties", but it's sickening.  I don't care if someone's "a Kennedy", least of all NOW, but it's simply a fact that if the democrats had approached him with similar position offers, he'd have gone to them, and I'd be angrily debating with ABF over how horrible a decision it was to ally with this particular Kennedy.  That being, Robert Kennedy Jr., a living Ren & Stimpy character who heard about a beached whale and told his daughter "Get the chainsaw, I have an idea!".

This entire concept of someone coming from "good stock" should have died in America's founding.  The very fact that TWO Bushes managed to become president is utterly disgusting simply because statistically speaking, the odds should have been vanishingly small, but people projected "Bushiness" onto the son, and were prepped to go further and get another Bush in the form of Jeb later on until Trump went gliding down the escalator.  The democrats even fielded Hillary, because primarily, "she's a Clinton".  Say what you will about her experience and qualifications, she was picked because she's a Clinton, and then after her loss, they were suddenly talking about getting Michelle Obama to run.  Legacies and dynasties need to die, because after Trump's death, we ALL realize who's going to come crawling out of the woodworks to run after him right?

[A Black Falcon]

On today's episode, Donald Trump, at his weakest, oldest, and most pressured, managed to win a clear, undeniable victory over the forces of good. It was the most decisive outcome of his three campaigns. We join each other, with a lot of questions to ask ourselves.

There's a lot to agree with here, but I have to push back against the 'most decisive outcome of his three campaigns' point, because I don't see any way that that is true.  In terms of national vote margin it is the first time that Republicans have won the national popular vote since 2004, and only their second time doing so since 1992 began the trend of Democrats usually winning the popular vote, but it was close -- the final margin's 1.5 points, less than the 4.5 point margin of 2020 or the 2.1 point margin of 2016.  Trump's going to end up with under 50% of the vote and the smallest US House majority of an incoming President since 1930.  He won, and it reflects incredibly badly on the American people that they were stupid enough to fall for his nonsense AGAIN, but it was not a blowout or 'the most decisive outcome', unless you just mean that the fact that he won at all and with any kind of popular vote margin makes it more decisive than the past two even though the margin is closer than either one.  And on that point... well yeah it'll surely get awful over the next four years but no, it wasn't a more decisive win than the last two.

Is the United States dominated socially, economically, and politically by racist morons, and should we apply that label to everyone who ever voted for Trump until they see the error of their ways and learn to vote correctly?
Did the Democratic Party seriously torpedo its own credibility and lose 20 million voters, or did those 20 million voters owe their votes to the Democratic Party, and should we focus on blaming and shaming them until they vote correctly with more consistently? 
Why did all those idiots vote for Trump because of the economy? Couldn't they see how good the economy is? Are they stupid?
Is it because Kamala Harris was a woman, or because she was a black woman? 
Was it even really as bad as it looks, since we did make a few marginal gains here and there? 


These debates, and more, on the 2024-28 episode of the traditional politics megathread

It is worth noting again that almost every single ruling party in the world that had an election in 2024 did worse than their previous election.  The US actually was one of the least o the collapses on the list, most other countries did even worse.  The only places where the ruling party actually held on to power without losing margin were Ireland and Mexico, and in the Mexican Presidential election the collapse of the opposition was a big factor in why.  Everywhere else, from Japan to the UK to France, Senegal, South Africa, India, and more, incumbent parties all lost.

With that said though, given that the US economy really is in a pretty decent spot right now, better than almost anywhere else... yes, I think that I entirely agree with what you said about the US electorate being so spoiled that they don't realize how good we have it.  Yup.  Is there a better explanation for people voting for the guy promising to ruin the economy because they don't think it is good enough?  If there is I can't think of it...

[A Black Falcon]

Broke: Caring about Ukraine

Woke: Threatening war with Canada, Mexico, Denmark, and Panama

Trump's going to do great, no issues here at all.

[Dark Jaguar]

Broke: Caring about Ukraine

Woke: Threatening war with Canada, Mexico, Denmark, and Panama

Trump's going to do great, no issues here at all.

I have no idea what this means.

[A Black Falcon]

Trump's saying that he wants the Panama Canal and Greenland, on top of his trade wars with Canada and Mexico.

[Weltall]

With that said though, given that the US economy really is in a pretty decent spot right now, better than almost anywhere else... yes, I think that I entirely agree with what you said about the US electorate being so spoiled that they don't realize how good we have it.

I think what we saw was that, when individual voters experience rising grocery prices and skyrocketing rent, being told the US economy is doing really well sounds hollow and out-of-touch.

Insofar as it being his most decisive result, it isn't about the numbers. It's the fact that he barely squeaked it out the first time, lost outright the second time, was indicted almost a hundred times, was convicted of three dozen felonies, and in spite of all that, this election was essentially over as soon as the polls closed, and there was absolutely no uncertainty of the outcome 24 hours later. You could call 2016 a fluke and 202 a correction, but in many ways, this is a confirmation that the Democratic Party is broadly lacking in credibility with voters and painfully lacking in competence with regards to managing campaigns and messenging, at the game of electoral democracy in general, and worst of all, unwilling to adapt even in the face of catastrophic defeat, as we are seeing with the wizened neoliberal losers in command continuing to demonstrate that personally empowering themselves and enriching each other is all they really care about.