14th December 2023, 10:05 AM
(This post was last modified: 14th December 2023, 10:06 AM by A Black Falcon.)
The US's plan is what it has been for decades, the two state solution. The two state solution is still the only path to peace, despite the fact thatf progress towards it has been going backwards for the better part of two decades now. The problem is that neither Israel nor the Palestinians support the two state solution currently; instead, both seem to think that they can control the whole thing themselves, or something. Considering their strong military I can see why some in Israel think this, though it's wrong in part because there's nowhere else for the Palestinians to go since the other neighboring states do not want them, but I honestly have no idea why the Palestinians think the same... but they do.
In order for peace to move forward, new, less far right wing leadership in Israel is certainly necessary. Netanyahu has very bad approval numbers so his time in power is fortunately numbered, but he and his far-right allies are still in power right now. I don't know if they actually have a plan, they are opposed to the two state solution but certainly don't have a usable alternative. With less horrible leadership in Israel perhaps we could slowly move towards better things in that region...
However, you need two parties to make peace, and Hamas is significantly less interested in peace than Israel is. After all, Hamas started this war because they were scared of how close Israel was to peace with Saudi Arabia and such, and they are opposed to peace. Hamas also doesn't care one bit about reducing Palestinian civilian casualties. If there was a ceasefire, Hamas would break it the moment that they rearmed. And what's happening right now in polling? As that video shows, Hamas's approval numbers in the West Bank have increased because of this war. If Israel's government was less extreme perhaps the Palestinians could be pushed to support peace too, but that requires keeping Hamas out of influence. The PLO is not a great partner either, but Hamas cannot be one.
On a related note, Netanyahu's government supported payments to Hamas in Gaza with the theory that building up Gaza's infrastructure and opening jobs in Israel to people who live in Gaza would help normalize them. That effort failed when Hamas started this war, because they are dedicated to their genocidal terrorist aims, not to good governance of the people of Gaza. This is a big part of why Netanyahu has such horrible approval ratings, a lot of the current situation is because of his decisions. And can he fix the situation? No, I don't think so. His governing coalition is far too extreme and opposed to peace for that to happen. So we return to needing new leadership in Israel and getting rid of Hamas, if it is possible, or at least minimizing their influence, with the goal being as it long has been, a two state solution.
In order for peace to move forward, new, less far right wing leadership in Israel is certainly necessary. Netanyahu has very bad approval numbers so his time in power is fortunately numbered, but he and his far-right allies are still in power right now. I don't know if they actually have a plan, they are opposed to the two state solution but certainly don't have a usable alternative. With less horrible leadership in Israel perhaps we could slowly move towards better things in that region...
However, you need two parties to make peace, and Hamas is significantly less interested in peace than Israel is. After all, Hamas started this war because they were scared of how close Israel was to peace with Saudi Arabia and such, and they are opposed to peace. Hamas also doesn't care one bit about reducing Palestinian civilian casualties. If there was a ceasefire, Hamas would break it the moment that they rearmed. And what's happening right now in polling? As that video shows, Hamas's approval numbers in the West Bank have increased because of this war. If Israel's government was less extreme perhaps the Palestinians could be pushed to support peace too, but that requires keeping Hamas out of influence. The PLO is not a great partner either, but Hamas cannot be one.
On a related note, Netanyahu's government supported payments to Hamas in Gaza with the theory that building up Gaza's infrastructure and opening jobs in Israel to people who live in Gaza would help normalize them. That effort failed when Hamas started this war, because they are dedicated to their genocidal terrorist aims, not to good governance of the people of Gaza. This is a big part of why Netanyahu has such horrible approval ratings, a lot of the current situation is because of his decisions. And can he fix the situation? No, I don't think so. His governing coalition is far too extreme and opposed to peace for that to happen. So we return to needing new leadership in Israel and getting rid of Hamas, if it is possible, or at least minimizing their influence, with the goal being as it long has been, a two state solution.
Quote: In any case, here's what you do once Hamas are, to put it lightly, "realigned" via secret operations.... you then... erase the border. Let the citizens have free entry and exit from all of Israel, make them equals. Join the nations together. The average Palestinian person will be happy to just get treated as an equal citizen at that point. But, here's the critical thing. The argument near as I can tell is that if someone kills my baby, I earn the right to kill one of their babies, or maybe ten. The exact conversion rate isn't yet established.I cannot possibly imagine a one-state solution ever working. They hate eachother far too much for that to ever function.