28th December 2019, 10:49 PM
To be clear once again, provided that we can come up with a good implementation of it I am in favor of single payer, but actually getting it passed will be extremely, EXTREMELY hard and we need back-up plans to help improve health care in the interim. All of the major Democratic candidates have plans to improve health care, so we're on the right track, it just needs to happen.
(Even Biden, based on the policies he is running on so far, would be America's most liberal president ever by many measures! It shows how the party has indeed moved at least somewhat to the left since Obama.)
I find it kind of bizarre that Bernie keeps saying this "the people will demand it!" nonsense every time anyone challenges how he'd actually accomplish any of the things he wants to do, as if it's some actual answer instead of what it actually is, and admission that he has no plan to actually accomplish any of his policy goals. Rallies and such are nice and can have an effect when targeted at people who will listen -- mostly people and representatives in your own party or maybe a few undecided voters - but when facing something like the new, fascist Trump-Republican Party and their devoted base I don't see how it would have any impact on policy.
So no, every time Bernie repeats this what I hear is that he has little interest in actually governing, since that requires things like figuring out how to get your policies into law, having backup policies when the ones you want get blocked by the other side, and such. Bernie would be a president constantly at war with congress, to a degree not seen since at least Carter, and I have a lot of trouble imagining it leading to many real breakthroughs.
(Even Biden, based on the policies he is running on so far, would be America's most liberal president ever by many measures! It shows how the party has indeed moved at least somewhat to the left since Obama.)
(28th December 2019, 11:47 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: We can do those things, if we rally outside state capitol after state capitol. That is, an entirely different strategy, scare congress and the senate into compliance with massive organized nationwide protests. It's about time.
A lot needs to be done, NEEDS to, and if it takes some rather.... unorthodox and- extreme measures then so be it.
I find it kind of bizarre that Bernie keeps saying this "the people will demand it!" nonsense every time anyone challenges how he'd actually accomplish any of the things he wants to do, as if it's some actual answer instead of what it actually is, and admission that he has no plan to actually accomplish any of his policy goals. Rallies and such are nice and can have an effect when targeted at people who will listen -- mostly people and representatives in your own party or maybe a few undecided voters - but when facing something like the new, fascist Trump-Republican Party and their devoted base I don't see how it would have any impact on policy.
So no, every time Bernie repeats this what I hear is that he has little interest in actually governing, since that requires things like figuring out how to get your policies into law, having backup policies when the ones you want get blocked by the other side, and such. Bernie would be a president constantly at war with congress, to a degree not seen since at least Carter, and I have a lot of trouble imagining it leading to many real breakthroughs.
Quote:Meanwhile, this is what we're up against.I wonder if at some point the Republicans will stop constantly getting crazier and crazier (and more and more anti-democratic), but so far it sure hasn't happened. :bummed:
A party that's decided to take the side of the anti-vax movement. It's clear what they're doing here. They're legitimizing medicine itself in order to take a stand against medicare for all.
Quote:I reject your reality and substitute my own. "Reality" as a concept is stupid when it comes to human behavior anyway. Human behavior can change. NOTHING is unrealistic when it comes to changing human behavior, because all people need to do is well, do it! All we need to do to stop wars is just stop fighting. That's it. it's as simple as that. It's honestly one of the most physically possible things imaginable when you get right down to it. Nothing in physics forbids it at all, and no new technology is required.... Just stop fighting and that's the solution to war? Seriously? Have you considered how human nature works?