15th November 2019, 7:10 AM
If it's just an "option" then it won't be funded, period. Biden is torpedoing support for public medical care with every speech he gives, he sounds like a damn republican! He's repeating their talking points, and they're lies, every last one of them, and he knows it. First of all, NO ONE CARES ABOUT THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY. That's not the choice anyone cares about. People want to choose their doctor, and under the current system, that choice is curtailed where a public plan won't. Medicare for all gives people the choice they actually care about. Also, most people in America now support medicare for all. Poll after poll shows it. The numbers also show that for the middle class, the raise in taxes is completely offset by the fact their employers won't need to extract a dime for it from the employee's paycheck. ABF, right now you're the enemy of policies that are necessary. IT doesn't matter if they are politically expedient, they are necessary. If this election and the local ones to follow aren't able to save us from critical nationwide and worldwide emergencies, it will go badly, for those in power that is. People can only bear so much oppression from the top before they rise up. We can do this the civil way, or not. It's their choice, but it's happening.
I don't trust Biden at all. I mean just listen to him.
Does that sound anything like a liberal to you? He's not just parroting republican talking points, he's embracing their ideology. "They have this attitude that they know better than the average person does what's good for them." Well, yes! Experts know better than the lay person in their field. That's how it works. The Overton window is shifting. The democratic establishment is, as they have been doing for 20 years, shifting to the right to accomodate the republican's moves to the right. The republicans keep moving to the right because they know the democrats will follow. It happens again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and look where we are. Biden sounds like some rich republican telling poor people that something they desperately need isn't right for them, "choice" is all that matters, because that's what he's become. I say it's about time we started pushing the window back, and that's not going to happen by bending with the republican's pressure.
The gall, the sheer GALL of you telling me that supporting a candidate that actually proposes policies I support is wrong is insulting. Why even bother voting for a candidate that's just going to do what the republicans are already doing? Tell me that, what is "winning" worth to you exactly? Is winning an end in itself? Firstly, I say risking a loss is worth actually accomplishing something. Secondly, Biden doesn't inspire people, at all. Just look at the comparison. Warren and Sanders both have FAR more individual donations than Biden. Not that Biden needs it now, he's got a handful of billionaires buying him. And don't be naive, if you accept donations from giant corporations, you are going to be influenced by it. That's just reality.
We need a candidate that actually excites the liberal voting block, or they are just going to stay home again come election day. Remember that the voter turnout in 2016 was pretty low among the left. Biden being a male isn't going to get 50% of the country to go vote for him. The people who hate women are voting for Trump anyway, so what difference does that make?
I've been hearing it for almost 3 years now ABF, and I had hoped that the lesson of 2016 would sink in. But it hasn't. The democratic party leadership just thinks if they "reach across the isle" harder than ever before, they can win. They won't, and it isn't worth winning if you betray every value you hold to get there.
If Biden is selected, sure, I'll trudge on over to the polls and vote for him rather than Trump, but Trump is going to win anyway, and then I will come back here and listen to you talk about how "ageism" is what defeated him, or you'll blame the entire progressive wing of the party for "tarnishing Biden's image". You'll mean it too, that's the infuriating part. A centrist democrat is no better than a republican. There's so much, so many things wrong with the country, corrupt system after system after system. The blinders are off, I see it all now, but we won't do anything about it by playing by the same playbook we have been for decades. Do you want change, or don't you?
I don't trust Biden at all. I mean just listen to him.
Does that sound anything like a liberal to you? He's not just parroting republican talking points, he's embracing their ideology. "They have this attitude that they know better than the average person does what's good for them." Well, yes! Experts know better than the lay person in their field. That's how it works. The Overton window is shifting. The democratic establishment is, as they have been doing for 20 years, shifting to the right to accomodate the republican's moves to the right. The republicans keep moving to the right because they know the democrats will follow. It happens again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and look where we are. Biden sounds like some rich republican telling poor people that something they desperately need isn't right for them, "choice" is all that matters, because that's what he's become. I say it's about time we started pushing the window back, and that's not going to happen by bending with the republican's pressure.
The gall, the sheer GALL of you telling me that supporting a candidate that actually proposes policies I support is wrong is insulting. Why even bother voting for a candidate that's just going to do what the republicans are already doing? Tell me that, what is "winning" worth to you exactly? Is winning an end in itself? Firstly, I say risking a loss is worth actually accomplishing something. Secondly, Biden doesn't inspire people, at all. Just look at the comparison. Warren and Sanders both have FAR more individual donations than Biden. Not that Biden needs it now, he's got a handful of billionaires buying him. And don't be naive, if you accept donations from giant corporations, you are going to be influenced by it. That's just reality.
We need a candidate that actually excites the liberal voting block, or they are just going to stay home again come election day. Remember that the voter turnout in 2016 was pretty low among the left. Biden being a male isn't going to get 50% of the country to go vote for him. The people who hate women are voting for Trump anyway, so what difference does that make?
I've been hearing it for almost 3 years now ABF, and I had hoped that the lesson of 2016 would sink in. But it hasn't. The democratic party leadership just thinks if they "reach across the isle" harder than ever before, they can win. They won't, and it isn't worth winning if you betray every value you hold to get there.
If Biden is selected, sure, I'll trudge on over to the polls and vote for him rather than Trump, but Trump is going to win anyway, and then I will come back here and listen to you talk about how "ageism" is what defeated him, or you'll blame the entire progressive wing of the party for "tarnishing Biden's image". You'll mean it too, that's the infuriating part. A centrist democrat is no better than a republican. There's so much, so many things wrong with the country, corrupt system after system after system. The blinders are off, I see it all now, but we won't do anything about it by playing by the same playbook we have been for decades. Do you want change, or don't you?
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." ~ Charles Babbage (1791-1871)