19th November 2017, 9:06 PM
Dark Jaguar Wrote:We know with the same certainty we know that Trump has assaulted women. Many have come forward claiming it. Personally, I have no reason to doubt them when they are claiming it in such numbers. Al Franken has one claim, but also a frickin' photograph and his own admission. In any case, Trump's supporters would claim HE is in the same "climate" and that it would be absurd to trust any random woman because of that. The cases really are identical. It's ok to admit to error. It's not ok to pretend these cases are different enough to warrent it, because what happens the next time a democratic president is under that scandel?There are definite strong similarities between Bill Clinton and Donald Trump's behavior, yes, if that's what you mean here. Both have been accused by multiple women of harassment, and deny it... except for the one proven case, Bill's relationship with Monica Lewinsky, but he only admitted that because definite proof of it was found.
But between them and Al Franken, based on what we know now there's a pretty large gap. Right now he has only one accuser, and while bad, what he's accused of doing is not nearly as bad as what Trump and Clinton are. If you're saying here that Franken is as bad as Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, based on what we know now I'd disagree. He also actually admited to it, which is much better than how most people have responded to claims like this. Still, he did something pretty bad and does need to pay for it. I'd be fine if he resigned, but at least he should not run for re-election next year. It'd be kind of a shame since he's been a good senator, but I'm sure Minnesota can find someone else good.
Quote:As for comics, frankly outside of the old guard like Seinfeld they've been doing good at making jokes. It's ok to make fun of a LOT of groups after all. Hate groups, mainly. Corrupt groups like republicans and the catholic church, certainly. Yourself? Well obviously. Heck it's even possible to do a funny rape joke, so long as the TARGET of that joke is the rapist, not the victim. It's why Louis CK got a pass all this time. He talked the talk, and his jokes about the horrible way women are treated are the sort that shine a spotlight on abuse. It just turns out he was a hypocrit (and again, he straight up admitted it, no room for doubt here).I don't watch comics much at all so I can't say much here except that sure, I guess the groups you mentioned are still reasonable targets.