19th November 2017, 12:18 AM
(This post was last modified: 19th November 2017, 7:01 PM by A Black Falcon.)
Dark Jaguar Wrote:I just can't look at Clinton the same way after all that. When it was just "he was cheating on his wife", yes that's a betrayal, but it's not an assault, so I left that as his and her own personal business. This stuff keeps coming out, and frankly each party needs to take the time to clean house. That DOES mean distancing themselves from Bill. Note that in spite of what Trump has said, Hillary is certainly not to blame for this, unless it comes out that she knew about these assaults and was complicit in covering it all up.The thing with Bill is that the 'assault' part isn't proven, only the 'consensual cheating' part. It would not surprise me at all if he did assault a woman sometime, given everything, but we don't know for sure that he did.
That said though, this NY Times op-ed that I referenced earlier is really good, read it if you haven't. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/opini...inton.html The article goes over many of the reasons why Bill's accusers were not believed in the '90s, and some of them are good reasons (see the Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones sections), but ultimately comes to the eponymous conclusion that "I Believe Juanita".
Quote:As for Al and any excuse that it was "just a joke".
Look at that. The "joke" was "haha I'm molesting a woman in her sleep, look what I'm getting away with!".
Yeah, it's a really, really bad, unfunny, and sexist joke.
It does bring up a question, though -- without jokes which insult people or groups, what do comics have left? I mean, for some years now some comics have been complaining about the new PC culture, and how that makes it harder to be funny. Those kinds of questionable, often insulting jokes are part of why I've never liked, or watched, stand-up, but without it you take away a big chunk of what comics like to make jokes about. I would say 'good, find something better to make jokes about then!' myself to that, though.