6th May 2017, 9:15 AM
So the Republicans finally managed to get together the votes to pass a version of their absurdly horrendous "health care" (aka tax cuts for the rich) bill. It sounds like the Senate Republicans are going to ignore it and write their own different bill, which probably won't be quite as bad but surely will also be worse than the ACA, so may it die in reconciliation and not become law...
But regardless, the good news for Democrats is that it is much easier to run against someone who actually voted on something terrible than someone who didn't -- that is, that the House actually held this vote makes it far easier to run against the awful people who voted for it, as opposed to a House which never held that vote and thus allowed people like Bruce Poliquin up in ME-2 to continue refusing to say whether they supported the bill or not. Now we know, he voted for it and will have to answer for that in 2018, hopefully slowing down that district's sad and frustrating strong right-wing turn it's been going through over the past decade. We'll see, but if they actually pass something as murderously (for the old, sick, and poor) horrible as this bill is, the Republicans will have a VERY hard time holding on to the House next year and I sure hope they don't.
On that note, polling in that Georgia race is mixed; I saw one Democratic poll with Ossoff up by two, and one other poll with him down by 2.6. He really needs to win this; I know it's a very gerrymandered seat and it's amazing he's close at all, but a win would mean a lot.
I don't know about "lose and then run again but then lose in the primaries", but "lose and then run again and be the general election nominee"? Yes, that has happened, most famously (and most recently) with Nixon, who lost to JFK in '60 before running again in '68 and winning. Andrew Jackson also lost, in an EXTREMELY close and contentious election in 1824 (where he won the popular vote but lost the election in the House to Adams after there was no winner in the Electoral College), before running again and winning the next time in 1828. Also William Jennings Bryan ran and lost three times as the Democratic nominee, in 1896, 1900, and 1908. Yeah. There are probably some more cases than that, but those are the ones I can think of offhand. So yeah, it's rare but has happened.
Of course though, Hillary has run twice now (once only in the primaries, but still) and is getting older, so it is a little different from someone who only ran once before... but on the other hand she won a majority of the popular vote by a decent margin, which is at least somewhat encouraging, though the stigma of losing, and to this idiot, will hurt her if she does try to run again I would imagine.
But regardless, the good news for Democrats is that it is much easier to run against someone who actually voted on something terrible than someone who didn't -- that is, that the House actually held this vote makes it far easier to run against the awful people who voted for it, as opposed to a House which never held that vote and thus allowed people like Bruce Poliquin up in ME-2 to continue refusing to say whether they supported the bill or not. Now we know, he voted for it and will have to answer for that in 2018, hopefully slowing down that district's sad and frustrating strong right-wing turn it's been going through over the past decade. We'll see, but if they actually pass something as murderously (for the old, sick, and poor) horrible as this bill is, the Republicans will have a VERY hard time holding on to the House next year and I sure hope they don't.
On that note, polling in that Georgia race is mixed; I saw one Democratic poll with Ossoff up by two, and one other poll with him down by 2.6. He really needs to win this; I know it's a very gerrymandered seat and it's amazing he's close at all, but a win would mean a lot.
Sacred Jellybean Wrote:Please god, don't let Hillary run in 2020. If you can't beat someone as inept and bumbling as Trump, you're done. I don't think even the DNC is dumb enough to run her again.
I'm not terribly worried about it. It's very rare that a candidate will make it to the general election, lose, then run again. I don't have the historical chops to say when that last happened. ABF?
I don't know about "lose and then run again but then lose in the primaries", but "lose and then run again and be the general election nominee"? Yes, that has happened, most famously (and most recently) with Nixon, who lost to JFK in '60 before running again in '68 and winning. Andrew Jackson also lost, in an EXTREMELY close and contentious election in 1824 (where he won the popular vote but lost the election in the House to Adams after there was no winner in the Electoral College), before running again and winning the next time in 1828. Also William Jennings Bryan ran and lost three times as the Democratic nominee, in 1896, 1900, and 1908. Yeah. There are probably some more cases than that, but those are the ones I can think of offhand. So yeah, it's rare but has happened.
Of course though, Hillary has run twice now (once only in the primaries, but still) and is getting older, so it is a little different from someone who only ran once before... but on the other hand she won a majority of the popular vote by a decent margin, which is at least somewhat encouraging, though the stigma of losing, and to this idiot, will hurt her if she does try to run again I would imagine.