23rd March 2017, 2:56 PM
Dark Jaguar Wrote:If that information is true, then I can't really consider it a bad thing in and of itself. It's when the leaked information isn't honest that there's a problem, how's that?When you have the Russians hacking probably everyone, but then only releasing stuff about the people they want to hurt -- that is, Hillary and her campaign -- no, whether the information is true or not is far from the only important factor. That stuff was leaked to help Trump and for no other reason, which differentiates it from normal leaks by people trying to reveal malfeasance or such. If despite that serious stuff had been revealed yes it'd be bad, but that did not happen, so the story is about Russia's efforts to get Trump elected through targeted leaks far above anything else.
Quote:Also, let's treat the two cases as distinct events. In every way, I agree with you that everything about Trump is worse, but in terms of what happened with the democratic convention, that doesn't matter. It gets judged on it's own merits, and saying that party leaders should be free to collude against an "outsider" (who, I should mention, was approved as a viable candidate BY the party) makes me less than enthusiastic about the party. I don't approve of people picking their friends over a stranger when the rest of the nation is affected by it, and make no mistake, it was. Trump is president as a result of their nonsense.No, he isn't. I'm sure I've gone over this before, but Bernie did not lose because of the DNC. First, he lost the moment that he totally failed to appeal to minority voters; it was over as soon as he got crushed in the South, the rest of the campaign was just him refusing to give up even though Hillary had won it. And second, he would not have beaten Trump, not after the campaign they would have run against him; I am still quite sure he would have done worse.
Quote:No, I'm not saying they should be forced to put every single candidate on their ticket. I'm saying that if they decided to allow someone into the party as an option, they can't show favoritism later on. This isn't a matter of law so much as ethics. To us outsiders, it doesn't sit well and makes us less likely to vote for the party. You need the outsiders.If Bernie was really so dedicated to now being a Democrat, since he ran as one, then why is he still the independent Senator from Vermont? I agree you need to keep the process fair, and they pretty much did, but of course the party insiders weren't going to be big Bernie fans. And again, the election would not have gone better with Bernie on the ticket.