10th November 2016, 5:40 PM
I'm stunned. It really does feel like you and I are in two different universes and saw two different outcomes.
Yeah, so we instead nominate the candidate who comes already equipped with tons of baggage and look what happened. Nothing but non-stop scandal and mudslinging and being prepared and used to it did not help her win. Of fucking course they would try to smear Bernie. It would not have worked anywhere near to the extent it worked on Clinton because Clinton was a historically unpopular candidate while Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the United States.
It astounds me that you believe what you're saying, when our next president was accused repeatedly of sexual assault and child rape and is still going to be our next president.
Hillary dumped ass in the rust belt, but she also failed miserably with minority turnout. Trump did better with Latinos than Romney for fucks' sake, while threatening to deport 11 million Latinos. She failed miserably with overall turnout as well, five million fewer votes than Obama in 2012 and ten million fewer than in 2008. Bernie could have easily pulled down numbers like that.
Maybe the GOP thought Bernie would be an easier win. Just like Dems felt certain Trump would be an easy win. Bernie has the same populist economic appeal as Trump while also being a much better human being. There's no doubt in my mind he would be president-elect today.
When you gain 100 fewer electoral votes than every single polling aggregate model predicts, you got annihilated. But goody, Hillary won a moral victory by winning the popular vote by a fraction of a percent against a literal cartoon character.
Democrats also lost the Supreme Court for yet another generation. So we face losing every single progressive gain made via legislation and judicial fiat over the last eight years. Obamacare is doomed. Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges are likely doomed. Citizens United is safe. I hope those two or three gained Senate seats make you feel better when Donald nominates Ted Cruz to SCOTUS and he is appointed without serious opposition.
You think nothing's wrong even when us Bernie people were telling you this was going to happen.
Quote:Again, after dealing with the Republican attack machine for months, there is no way Bernie could ever have won. The lines of attack are just so obvious, focusing on his socialism of course but also attacking him (perhaps unfairly) for his wife's role in that college shutting down, etc. It never gave you pause that the Republicans said nothing bad about Bernie through the entire primary cycle? That was not real praise, they hate socialists! It was a tactic to try to get the opponent they thought would be easier to beat, Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, so we instead nominate the candidate who comes already equipped with tons of baggage and look what happened. Nothing but non-stop scandal and mudslinging and being prepared and used to it did not help her win. Of fucking course they would try to smear Bernie. It would not have worked anywhere near to the extent it worked on Clinton because Clinton was a historically unpopular candidate while Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the United States.
It astounds me that you believe what you're saying, when our next president was accused repeatedly of sexual assault and child rape and is still going to be our next president.
Quote:I don't know if Bernie would have won those four states or not, but would he have carried other key states that Hillary's better minority outreach helped the Democrats hold, such as Nevada, Colorado, or Virginia? Could he have won a Florida, Arizona, or North Carolina either? I don't think so. I do agree Hillary obviously didn't focus enough on the Rust Belt, and probably should have been there instead of putting resources in Texas or such (though losing Texas by less than ten points is a pretty good sign for the future and the best Dems have done there in a long time), and probably a Bernie or Joe Biden would have done that, but anyone could have found a way to lose this race when polling was as off in Trump's favor as it was. Maybe Joe Biden would have won, though... we'll never know.
Hillary dumped ass in the rust belt, but she also failed miserably with minority turnout. Trump did better with Latinos than Romney for fucks' sake, while threatening to deport 11 million Latinos. She failed miserably with overall turnout as well, five million fewer votes than Obama in 2012 and ten million fewer than in 2008. Bernie could have easily pulled down numbers like that.
Maybe the GOP thought Bernie would be an easier win. Just like Dems felt certain Trump would be an easy win. Bernie has the same populist economic appeal as Trump while also being a much better human being. There's no doubt in my mind he would be president-elect today.
Quote:That is not true. Yes, the Democrats had an extremely disappointing, awful day, but we were not "annihilated". Hillary won the popular vote, something which matters a lot. You can't call it a term that bad when a majority of voters support you!
When you gain 100 fewer electoral votes than every single polling aggregate model predicts, you got annihilated. But goody, Hillary won a moral victory by winning the popular vote by a fraction of a percent against a literal cartoon character.
Quote:Democrats also gained two seats in the Senate, both from states Hillary won, and held the one close seat they were defending. Democrats also gained some seats in the house, maybe five or such. Of course Republicans kept their majorities in both, which is horrible, but gaining a few seats is not "annihilated", losing seats would be. And at the state level there were mixed results. Republicans did win some legislatures, but on the other hand that awful racist sheriff of Maripoca County (Pheonix area) Arizona, Joe Arpaio, finally lost after so long! And Roy Cooper, governor of North Carolina and behind their terrible anti-transgender bathroom bill, is currently very narrowly losing that race, which would be fantastic; Cooper's defeat should hold up at this point. Some liberal ballot measures passed in states around the nation as well. This country keeps moving forward on some issues at least, and that is great.
Democrats also lost the Supreme Court for yet another generation. So we face losing every single progressive gain made via legislation and judicial fiat over the last eight years. Obamacare is doomed. Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges are likely doomed. Citizens United is safe. I hope those two or three gained Senate seats make you feel better when Donald nominates Ted Cruz to SCOTUS and he is appointed without serious opposition.
You think nothing's wrong even when us Bernie people were telling you this was going to happen.
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