12th June 2016, 4:44 PM
(This post was last modified: 12th June 2016, 7:39 PM by A Black Falcon.)
Weltall Wrote:Horse shit, sir. There has been no end to the right-wing inspired attacks from the Democratic right on Bernie Sanders and his policy positions. Clinton wants a lower minimum wage, lower taxes on corporations, no significant changes in how virtually anything is done in politics or business.Clinton wants a higher minimum wage, higher taxes on corporations, and significant change if we can ever get a congress in office that would actually pass anything positive. Don't be deceptive by making minor disagreements sound like she's against good works she strongly supports.
Quote:Besides, I don't think anyone on the right is going to accuse Hillary Clinton of being a war-mongering wall-street toadyNot true things. Most on the right want far more war than any Democrat would ever go along with, and she's no more owned by Wall Street than Barack Obama (who also took money from Wall St., then increased regulations on them) or any previous Democrat so that's nonsense.
Quote:who acts progressive only when she is digging for votesUtterly untrue statement, as her and Bernie's 93% identical voting records in the Senate prove, or her quite good fact;-check rating I already linked earlier:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...l-candida/ She was one of the most liberal senators in the country while in office from 2000-2008! Bernie's absurd "you're either 100% on my side or you are corrupt" standards don't work in actual politics, which is why Barney Frank has been right about Bernie for over 25 years now, since Barney first criticized Bernie's "with me or against me" tendencies back in the early '90s.
Quote:and who exercises poor judgment every time she is in a position to direct policy.Not true either. She did very good job in the Senate, and a great job as head of the State Department. The emails thing is an extremely minor, pretty much irrelevant issue that only exists because of the right-wing Clinton-hate "let's invent nonexistent scandals to tar the Clintons with" machine.
Quote:Right wingers are more about ben gozzey 24/7 and generally taking her down on technicalities as they did Bill and nobody else cares about that. And even they don't get sexist about her all that often. Why be sexist about Hillary when she gives opponents so many better reasons to oppose her?Did you even read any of my links about this?
http://www.vox.com/2016/2/3/10909354/mor...b-woodward - That Bob Woodward video was pretty shocking, seeing a famous journalist being so blatantly sexist like that...
http://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11879728/hil...nomination - Research shows that women's voices are looked on negatively when they speak like we expect men to. Also, Hillary doesn't get the credit she deserves for her political skills.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/1...linton-won - And yet somehow it's HER who needs to make the changes to meet the man's demands, something Obama did not have pressed on him back in 2008 when he won.
Etc etc. You cannot say that gender has been an incredibly huge drag on her candidacy, it would not be true. This sketch from Jimmy Kimmel's show (with Hillary as the guest) a few months ago remains one of the best explanations out there of the problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2wBpYT6Zlo
Quote:Of course, that's not the point. The "sexism" is the fact that a man is opposing the will of a woman, and not just any woman, but the annointed one who deserves to be president because she's female.Hillary is in no way "anointed". She won through hard work, through decades of slowly building up relationships within the party and the American people. She put in hard work for a long time to get to this point. That's not an anointment -- that's politics at work, as it should be. And even then it was really hard, as we see from the 2008 defeat. But this time she finally cracked that final glass ceiling, and it's fantastic! See the second Vox link above for more on this issue.
Quote:Reading a Hillary Clinton policy position and claiming that she stands for something is like reading today's weather and insisting that every day is sunny and hot. From bombing Syria to "superpredators", there's far too much about her that conservatives would love if they weren't insane. And then she reverses course when people pay attention.The idea that Hillary is somehow any less trustworthy than any other politician is a flat-out lie. The only part of it that is true is that 25 years of right-wing attacks (aimed at her because of her gender first have sunk in even on the left, making people predisposed to believe such falsehoods.
As for questionable statements though, Bernie has a long history of them as well, all politicians do. Hillary did not attack him on anything other than policy, though, to her credit, because she knew she could win on issues alone.
The one actual issue you bring up there is Syria. Syria is indeed an incredibly complex problem, and Hillary has said that she supports a no-fly zone, but is opposed to using ground troops. We definitely need to do SOMETHING to try to end that horrible war, but when there are few to no good actors to work with, it's hard to come up with a good plan... ISIS and Assad are both horrible, the Syrian Kurds aren't the answer (and are somewhat friendly to Assad, too), and the other rebels are losing thanks to Russia's support for Assad, and a lot of them are radical islamists too, anyway. So I don't know what the best thing we can do is, but Hillary's policies as I understand them sound like a decent start. Obama has done a good job fighting ISIS, but we need to oppose Assad more too, and a no-fly zone should help with that. But she's quite right to oppose ground troops, that would be another horrible Afghanistan or Iraq-like morass we'd be stuck in forever. We definitely need to stay away from that kind of thing if at all possible... which is one reason to vote for Hillary, when the Republicans certainly can't be trusted to not invade, Trump or no! They're hopeless imperialist warmongers.
But anyway, no, she isn't a pacifist, for anyone who wants that from a candidate. She's not a warmonger, for sure, but isn't a pacifist. But Bernie isn't one either; he focused so much on her Iraq vote because it is one of the few differences between them, foreign policy-wise... other than his repeated "even if she says her vote was wrong don't trust her because she was wrong back in '04" statements, if you watched the debates, they agreed about most everything in the foreign policy sections.
Quote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLfvQfuvsAThe crime bill did much more good than bad, and the bad effects were unintentional. Crime rates went down dramatically during the Clinton presidency, you know, and that bill likely had some kind of role in that. The black community supported it at the time, and now both Bill and Hillary admit that the bad effects of it need to be fixed. Hillary won overwhelming margins in black communities in this primary because of her support for doing more to combat racial injustice. As a white person I can't identify personally with minorities' struggles, but that they supported her this strongly despite that bills' negative side-effects says a lot. Of course, that she is on the right page for future policy surely helps there a lot.
Clinton supported policies in the 1990s that have filled our (private, for-profit) prisons with millions of black inmates. Naturally, private prison lobbyists supported her campaign until the fact became embarrassing to her. She and her husband have done more damage to the black community through crime bills and 'welfare reform' than any Republican could have hoped for in the last 20 years.
Quote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iTrqHvTk_0At least she has changed her mind on that, unlike Bernie's shameful reluctance to support significantly stronger gun laws, something the horrendous massacre in Orlando again shows our countries' desperate need for. And yes it can happen, with the right Supreme Court justice choices, something which of course requires a Democrat in office!
"Marriage is between one man and one woman" is not exactly my idea of a progressive policy position. She finally abandoned it in 2013. That was years after I did.
Quote:When Bill became President, he worked with the Republicans to sell our country off to the wealthy. Why on earth should we expect any different from Hillary?Because she isn't her husband? They are different people you know! She's always been known as being more liberal than Bill is.