12th June 2016, 11:01 AM
Dark Jaguar Wrote:It'll happen, it's basically the one option left. I would say those more extreme Bernie supporters don't represent me. It's weird how those types just sorta emerged from the woodworks, in the same way all those Trump supporters did. The more militant Bernie supporters don't seem to realize their own hypocrisy. At least the Trump supporters aren't hypocritical, they're just nuts. I read some shouting about how ANY means that defeats the evils of social injustice is justified, and I can't help but think of that old saying about becoming monsters to fight them. I read others saying if I decry such extreme methods I'm part of the problem, and I worry about the implied threat.Indeed, at least Trump supporters are open about hating Hillary for being a woman. Her liberal detractors, in contrast, deny that her gender has anything to do with why they hate her, but that's not true at all, gender is absolutely a factor. As I said in my last post it's not the ONLY factor, but it's an important one.
On a maybe related note, I have some relatives in New Hampshire' they used to be in Vermont, but moved not long ago. My aunt voted for Hillary, but my uncle voted for Bernie and now apparently is at the "I might write in Bernie's name" stage... as if not supporting Hillary and thus helping Trump become president would somehow be good for the left wing in America?
Quote:I'm all for social change, and Bernie seemed to me the most likely to actually push said agenda (though I've little doubt he's still a power grubbing opportunistic politician, at least the band wagon he was trying to attract led to good policy I could get behind), but all that said, some of them are pretty extreme. There is one clear difference though. Trump actively tries to get his supporters to behave violently, and Bernie decried such resorts.I don't think it's disappointing at all, I think it's great.
At any rate, as much as I would prefer a number of other options to Hillary, none of those options are available now. It's her or Trump, and it CAN'T be Trump (spoiler alert: it won't be), so her it is. Still, it's a disappointing pick.
Quote:Oh, ABF, you dodged my question up there. I'm saying if it was a given, it was a done deal that the democratic party died in your arms tonight, the next day would you vote for an up and coming party that aligned with your beliefs, as literally the only other option would be voting for Trump?I didn't dodge the question, though. If the Democrats were replaced with a more liberal party and the American people responded by having more people vote for the Republicans than currently do because that new party is too liberal, then that would be bad. But if everyone who currently votes Democratic would support that party too, then sure, that may be good, depending on how, exactly they're more liberal.
Sacred Jellybean Wrote:I regularly read the comments on facebook's NPR page, and I have to say, I'm continually astounded by the heaps of vitriol leveled at Clinton by Bernie supporters. They're indistinguishable from republicans, taking every talking point from their playbook, even bringing up Benghazi! This e-mail "scandal" is a non-issue, nowhere near as compelling as Clinton's support for the Iraq war or her interventionalist policy.Sanders supporters can deny it all they want, but sadly enough, her gender is absolutely a factor in why some Sanders fans believe and repeat right-wing lies about Hillary... I don't think they would treat a male candidate as they do her.
These god damn Sanders supporters... I loved the guy and voted for him in the primary, but holy god damn jesus his supporters are the Ron Paul voters of this election. "Media blackout! Liberals are puppetmasters controlling the media and shoving Hillary Clinton down your throat!" Calm the hell down. You don't see this level of both enthusiasm for their candidate and acromony for the other side from Clinton supporters.
Quote:Sanders himself needs to bow gracefully out of the race and put his support behind Hillary. It's over, he lost fair and square. Even without superdelegates, Clinton has won both the popular vote and pledged delegates. Time to pool our resources and beat out Crazy Donald Trump. It's concerning that Trump recently polled higher than Hillary in a recent national poll. Democrats need to lock arms and block this mad man from taking the White House.Good post. But no, most recent thing I hear is that Sanders still refuses to endorse unless Hillary agrees with more of his positions. You lost, you can't make demands like that anymore Bernie