8th April 2003, 3:37 PM
Quote:You don't think they've tried to get on the good side of the United States since all this started? Do you even READ the newspapers? You can't possibly believe what you just said, it's too moronic. France has since very much tried to gain favor with the United States.
All I can think of is when they said they didn't want us to lose... not exactly high praise...
Quote:Over exageration. Granted, the French are morons because in a recent poll, 33% of them wanted Saddam, a murderous and tyrannical dictactor, to win the war against the U.S. However, to say that 99% of the world is against this war is stupid. The president's approval numbers are SOARING and Tony Blair isn't doing too badly either.
DO YOU REALIZE WE HAVE MORE COUNTRIES SUPPORTING OUR COALITION THAN WE DID IN 1991?!? Over 45 countries officially support the coalition to remove Saddam...how is it that 99% of the world is against us?!?
Not much of one. I saw a poll a while ago. It polled people in all the countries in the world. I've mentioned it before here... Guess how many countries had populations where more than 50% of the people supported this war? Three. The US, UK, and Israel. That's it. In every single other nation the majority of the people are against it. 190 to 3... hmm...
Oh, and that cooalition thing is only true when you stretch the truth so far it breaks... I mean, this "cooalition" is nothing of the sort. It is just a list of nations who don't oppose the war. That's not a cooalition, that's a list of nations who don't oppose us... there's a big difference...
Note how only 2 or 3 nations other than the US and Britain (Austrailia and Poland are all I know of) are contributing forces in this invasion? In the Gulf War several dozen nations did that... and several nations wouldn't let our (ground) troops even go in their territory (Saudi Arabia, Turkey)! Great cooalition partners there!
Oh, and of COURSE the approval ratings are soaring... we're at war and the people support that... the real question is, what happens once its over?
Also note that the reaction is the complete opposite in the Arab world, as anti-American sentiment has gone from being popular to being almost universal hatred, 'friendly' nation or not... and that is not a good thing by any stretch of the imagination...
Quote:Not true. On Rush Limbaugh's program, in the following days there were many callers who said that Colin Powells presentation had changed their minds. I think the only people who's minds wouldn't have been changed were those who are only against the war because Bush is president. You liberals are still hating Bush for the Florida 2000 vote count. If Bill Clinton were in office, doing the exact same thing (not that he has the morals to do what is right) you'd be 100% behind the war. It's only because it's Bush that you hate it.
Rush Limbaugh is a complete and total moron who probably has never said anything true on that show in his life.
Oh, and if this were Clinton I'd be protesting it just as much... but it wouldn't be. Clinton would never be so idiotic as to want to antagonize the rest of the world and alienate us from anyone else the next time we want anything from anyone (who isn't Tony Blair or leaders of minor nation sucking up to us for more aid).
Even the first Bush was smart enough to realize that making the entire international community angry at our arrogance and unilateralism and obvious hatred for everything that the international community stands for is a bad idea... but not this one.
Quote:On the contrary, my misguided liberal friend. The wording of 1441 was: "...demands further that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively ... that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;" NOBODY on the security council thought that 'serious consequences' meant another 8 months of having Hans Blix act like a moron. THEY MEANT WAR!!!! Guess what, in no way shape or form has Iraq even TRIED to cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively.
You're the one deluding yourself.
(Link to resolution 1441 - http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02110803.htm )
Ah, so the newspaper article I read which said essentially "international law experts agree that 1441 does not by itsself authorize the use of force" was lying? I doubt it. Sure... you can interpret that statement to mean force is ok... but if you look at it legally, it does not do any such thing. "serious concequences" doesn't mean "force" in the law. Not on its own.
Quote:We, as Americans, do not need the permission of ANYBODY else to defend ourselves from terrorists, or sponsors of terrorism. We didn't provoke anyone to justify 9/11, but they attacked us anyway. When you mess with us, we're going to take you out. ITS OUR RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES FROM THOSE WHO WOULD TAKE OUR FREEDOM AWAY FROM US! We are a free people, not subject to the UN, except by our own choosing.
First, this has nothing to do with 9/11 on a terrorism standpoint. Sadaam has nothing to do with Al Quaida or similar groups. Bin Laden and Sadaam didn't like eachother at all, which makes perfect sense when you think about how Sadaam is/was a secular ruler and Bin Laden is a extremely religous zealot... opposite ends of the spectrum...
No, 9/11 was just Bush's excuse for being able to do this act... which is clearly something he really wanted to do but before 9/11 just couldn't justify. Well, afterwards he could -- TERRORISTS! OOH!
Note how that the US Governement has NEVER said, not ONCE, that Sadaam and 9/11 have ANY CONNECTION WHATSOEVER?
(The only thing they've said is that Sadaam funded "terrorist groups". Well, yes. He helped fun the Palestinian terror movement for many years. But he has no connection to international radicals like Al Quaida... his whole philosophy is against their ideals...)
Know why? Because they don't! It just gave Bush (and his hawk buddies, councellors, and coaches) the excuse he needed to go after Sadaam for daddy... and get that oil for those guys who gave so much money to his campaign.
The political boost he'd get from a war probably crossed his mind more than once too...