15th March 2003, 11:41 AM
Grumbler: you're allowed to believe whatever you want, despite the elitest tone flying around here. Now, get back to grumbling to god.
Wha-? Are you saying that all athiests are suicidal? The drive for scientific discovery alone is enough incentive to live. So are other things: finding love, trying to change the world, living the simple life/doing what you love, etc. I feel I can live my life just fine without the comfort of a god watching over me.
The subject of "god" is one in which I'm undecided, although I put the idea out of my head, as I believe its irrelevant to my life. If there was a god, I wouldn't believe that it would be so involved with our lives. Good, evil? You can't just lump things into two categories. Live by god's will or suffer in hell? That sounds a little facsist to me; I'll choose my own values, thank you. These are the problems I have with religion... moral guidance, okay, but idealistic, mythological ideas of still existing after death, and that existence being based on how you lived? That's just silly. I'd rather put my actions and my values in my own hands, rather than in the hands of a god.
It doesn't disturb me that there's no god to give justice for those who "do my wrong". It doesn't disturb me that even when I feel the most isolated from people (happens regularly, too), there's no god to understand my woes. The idea that I'll one day I may cease to exist altogether doesn't bother me, as I accept entropy and the fact that nothing can last forever on this earth (along with the fact that I have very small seperation anxiety).
What proof do you have of this? I've always vowed to live with the little, precious time I have on this earth. I don't expect immortality, nor do I fear death. This is actually a little disturbing, as I wouldn't consider myself to be the most emotionally stable person, but eh... I've never considered suicide, nor do I feel I will for a very long time. It'd take a lot for me to come to that, I think. But enough with the small talk.
I'm sorry, but all of that seems unfounded. How is desirability for immortality linked with intelligence? How does not expecting immortality necessarily make a race less fit to live? That's very confusing...
Quote:Darunia, as I said it seems all life that will continue to exist or desires to continue existing will inevitably seek religion. To destroy the need for religion requires the destruction for the want of immortality. To destroy that want for immortality means destroying the will to live at all
Wha-? Are you saying that all athiests are suicidal? The drive for scientific discovery alone is enough incentive to live. So are other things: finding love, trying to change the world, living the simple life/doing what you love, etc. I feel I can live my life just fine without the comfort of a god watching over me.
The subject of "god" is one in which I'm undecided, although I put the idea out of my head, as I believe its irrelevant to my life. If there was a god, I wouldn't believe that it would be so involved with our lives. Good, evil? You can't just lump things into two categories. Live by god's will or suffer in hell? That sounds a little facsist to me; I'll choose my own values, thank you. These are the problems I have with religion... moral guidance, okay, but idealistic, mythological ideas of still existing after death, and that existence being based on how you lived? That's just silly. I'd rather put my actions and my values in my own hands, rather than in the hands of a god.
It doesn't disturb me that there's no god to give justice for those who "do my wrong". It doesn't disturb me that even when I feel the most isolated from people (happens regularly, too), there's no god to understand my woes. The idea that I'll one day I may cease to exist altogether doesn't bother me, as I accept entropy and the fact that nothing can last forever on this earth (along with the fact that I have very small seperation anxiety).
Quote:in other words ALL races that do not desire immortality will become extinct, because desiring immortality is a survival trait that pretty much all life has.
What proof do you have of this? I've always vowed to live with the little, precious time I have on this earth. I don't expect immortality, nor do I fear death. This is actually a little disturbing, as I wouldn't consider myself to be the most emotionally stable person, but eh... I've never considered suicide, nor do I feel I will for a very long time. It'd take a lot for me to come to that, I think. But enough with the small talk.
Quote:Things that don't desire immortality simply put will stop existing, thus the universe favors a desire for immortality. It also favors intelligence. Combine the two and you find creatures desiring religion. Evolution will only make the desire for religion stronger, because if you evolve that out, you have "evolved" a creature that will go extinct because it will stop trying to exist.
I'm sorry, but all of that seems unfounded. How is desirability for immortality linked with intelligence? How does not expecting immortality necessarily make a race less fit to live? That's very confusing...