11th April 2003, 4:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Sacred Jellybean
So if Jesus died for our sins, then why aren't we exempt for our own sins? If he "died for our sins", but we still aren't allowed to sin, then he died for nothing, didn't he? You can say, "Oh, he died for the sins for the people in his lifetime up until his death", but then why even bring it up in the first place? Jesus died for someone's sins, but why is it brought up so much if he didn't die for OUR sins? Why should we be penalized for sins that were committed by different people countless generations back? Was his death a gateway for people to get into heaven in the first place? If so, then what about the people that lived before Jesus? Do they not go to heaven? That's a little unfair... then again, god isn't fair, I think that's been made clear.
And also, if we supposedly aren't perfect and CAN'T be perfect and have to accept Jesus and god's forgiveness, then what's the point of even having modern sins? I mean, if all we have to do is accept Christ's forgiveness, and the fact is that we CAN'T be perfect, then why strive to conform to Christianity's morals in the first place?
I've heard "All you have to do is accept Christ's forgiveness!", but obviously, that's not the case. You also have to abide to the 10 commandments, it seems. And what about converting other people? Isn't that "not our place to judge", since we're just a bunch of ignorant, imperfect humans? This god sure doesn't know tolerance, I'll say that... the whole telling people they have to be saved gimmick works wonders, though, doesn't it? Instilling fear into people to spread the word of Christ, so all they love can be saved.
And how can Heaven be utopia if god allows those we love to suffer for not accepting Christ/its forgiveness? Just so we don't suffer in hell? That sounds a little disturbing... the fear that religion instills into people is all around disturbing. "You're unworthy, you have to be saved, you have to accept Christ's forgiveness or be subjected to Lucifer's torment."
So many questions for such a strange belief system...
I understand you concerns jellybean , But let me clear this up for you.
When Adam and Eve sined it gave the devil reason to believe he owned the Humans. Infact he uses Sin to keep hold on us preventing us from ever achieving happiness , his arguement was that we only worshiped god becuase he protects us, not becuase we love him.
Simpily destroying the devil would do nothing as a new one would take his place.
Humans are already under Lucifers Torment and I can say he will be destroyed in due time.
Jesus was sent to prove that a human could go on and not sin and fall prey to the Devils enslavement.He set an example for people to fellow and offerd forgiveness and mercy even to all those enslaved by sin and evil , He even forgave the soldiers that killed him as he knew they didint know what they were doing they were just trying to support their families.
Humans can be perfect with time but not in this current system as the pressure is far to strong so our goal is survive untill armegedon.
God doesnt expect us to be perfect in our current state ,which is why Jesus came to teach us how we could do it.
As for your freinds suffering I have said it before Hell does not exist and hell fire is a false doctrine that is not in the bible. jesus clearly stated the" dead are not concious of anything".
You could do your freinds a good deed and teach them the truth , but if they dont want too listen thats clearly their decision to make,But they will have many opportunities to have a change in heart.