27th December 2005, 5:13 PM
lmao
Do you... actually read what you type? I'm just curious.
1.) Going by the same numbers, you could say that the PSP has an installed user base of about 10 million. Which they dont. They shipped about 10 million units worlwide so far (which means the stores purchased those units) but the actual consumers have purchased about half that number.
You must not have kept up with the PS1 or PS2 launch. There were a number of games at launch but neither Playstation has launched with a so-called killer app. As usual, there were a number of games at launch, several in the months following (the dry period), and then several killer apps land about 12-18 months after the console has been out. Why, oh why, should Xbox 360 need to follow a different schedule in order to avoid doomsday? They'll be fine, better than fine, just watch.
2.) 360 doesn't have anywhere near the Japanese support that Playstation has.
Going by the same schedule that every console seems to follow, it seems reasonable to think that when the PS3 and Revolution launch then Xbox 360 will have it's second generation games and most likely a killer app or two, all while PS3 and Revolution go through their launch phase. Not to mention there will probably be a price drop and plenty of consoles to go around next holiday while the PS3 inevitably has a shortage and people overlook the Revolution because it's from Nintendo. Oh, and there will probably be a platinum priced game or two as well...probably more. I'd say they are in a great position. Again, these first few months just aren't that important in the long run.
3.) It's funny how you assume things and yet deny other assumptions from other people. Revolution is going to launch with killer apps even if its killer app is Zelda: PT. The PS3 looks as though it's going to launch with a Final Fantasy game. Now depending on which system launches near Christmas, there will be the same rush to grab it as there was with 360 because it's a hot holiday item and as with any console, it's longesvity on the 'it' factor has everything to do with the game's available for the system.
I've never seen a console, in the past twenty years, hit the ground running with a steady stream of games or killer apps. It's a five+ year affair, and it usually isn't until the second or third year when a console really starts to hit its stride in terms of sales and games. You disagree? If not, then why do you insist that Xbox 360 needs a killer app right now? If so, explain, with examples, how Xbox 360 is already a lost cause or that it's long-term success is effected. I'm not arguing that it wouldn't help, because that would be stupid. Of course it would help, but I question how important a killer app really is this early in the game...especially when there aren't any other players in the game.
4.) Aren't any other players? Didn't you read the sales data that you posted? Weren't you the one talking about installed user bases, etc? Anyway, all systems need a killer app. The N64 and GC survived on killer apps alone with almost no third party support while the PS2 rocketed to first place because of sheer number of games from every third party in the market. if the 360 had better Japanese support I could see why it wouldn't need a killer app but just as they did with XBox 1 they rode the wave of sales Halo and Halo 2 which, as a system with lackluster Japanese support, made the smart decision in finding a killer app for the American market.
Yeah, let's just forget that children also want to play Grand Theft Auto and Soul Calibur or Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter...all Teen and Mature rated games. What were you getting at?
5.) Obviously you didn't watch any younglings in the mall getting ID'd trying to buy T and M games. My wife got ID'd buying RE4 lmao. The stores are starting to crackdown and from a business perspective and for the sake of argument we will call a game that is made for the younger crowds an E rated game.
You obviously haven't payed any attention to what J Allard or Robby Bach or anyone else at Microsoft have been saying, let me fill you in. Their first outting is when they targetted Sony's demographic. The 18-35 crowd, and they've been moderately successful. They realize, however, that there is a bigger crowd out there and one they could possibly reach given the right image and games. Why do you think they changed the color of the console to the off-white color? Why do you think they created two sku's? Why do you think they are completely behind Xbox Live Arcade? It's a multi-faceted approach to gain more gamers ranging all ages. They want to retain their hardcore crowd that bought the Xbox, that's why the harddrive is there. They want a more casual crowd, and the people who play games for a few minutes at a time, that's why Xbox Live Arcade is so important. They want to appeal to a younger demographic and that's why games like Kameo are important. You think a new Banjo game won't sell to the 7-17 crowd?
There are alot of potential buyers out there, Microsoft is trying to get their attention. Surely you, even though you're squarely focused on Nintendo, have noticed that the 360 image and treatment is entirely different than the original Xbox? If they were just going after the same 18-35 crowd, don't you think they would have kept it black, kept the harddrive, given Kameo more of an edge, etc? Think on that.
6.) If they released a Banjo game on 360 it would be a massacre. Look at what happened to Grabbed by the Ghoulies (developed by the Banjo team). I think it would sell if it were rated T but by doing that, they are removing children from the demographic. A T rated game is not for all ages senor paco. ...now please explain why a hard drive and the system's color have anything to do with demopgraphic...?
COD2 is a simulator? Last I checked it was a shooter...yes, I'm pretty sure what I played was a shooter.
Where are your reviews for the 18-35+ crowd?
7.) .....okay, you dont seriously think that a wartime FPS that is striving for realism is a 'shooter' in the same vein as PDZ? Do you honestly think that? That's like comparing Starfox to a WW2 flight sim. Onei s abviously going for arcade style shootemups while the other is going for dramatic realism.
So far in the 18+ crowd i've heard alot of mixed reviews, it seems to be one of those love it or hate it kind of games with no middle ground. COD (and it's sequels and other games of its type) fall flat with people who aren't military buffs. Now I am a military buff but I dont enjoy the 'simulator' aspects of these type of games. I want the arcade type of gameplay in my FPS games like Timesplitters, PDZ, etc.
Xbox 360's sold in November: 325,902
Kameo, units sold in November: 73,801
It sold to almost a third of the people who bought a 360 in November. How is that bad?
Considering that a game like Halo sold to less than 1/4th the installed user base of the Xbox, or that Grand Theft Auto sold to less than 1/5th of the PS2 base...yeah, think on that.
8.) It is the lowest selling first party game escpecially when you consider that COD 2 sold 250,730 units. Your ratio ideal doesn't really pan out when you consider a console that has an installed user base in the millions. Of course, i'm only assuming that your ratios are correct which seem odd to me considering that everyone I know with an XBox has Halo and everyone I know with a PS2 have a GTA game. But ultimately it doesn't matter, a game selling well over 200 thousand and a game that didn't even break 100 thousand; There is clearly something to be said about the popularity of the game.
I see you're getting frustrated, resorting to petty name calling and (I must say) poor insults.
9.) lmao... I called you a dwarf, i had no idea anyone would actually take offense to that. It was a light hearted comment. ...are you a dwarf? or "little person"? If you are obviously I would have no idea of such a thing. But if I offended you I apologize, it wasn't my goal.
You think I being defensive when all I'm doing is disagreeing with you.
10) Hahaha :D
I see your arguements as largely bias (you yourself admit to being a Nintendo fanboy) and mostly nonsense. I was actually quite surprised you even came in this thread, seeing as how I started it, and I was quietly hoping that you would just stay out so the thread doesn't get ruined. You're almost as bad as OB1 in the sense that you don't give anyone else's word any value. You argue with everyone and stand steadfast even when a sensible arguement no more speculative or no less supported is presented. I'm not talking of myself but of every thread I've seen you in and with some of the other members.
11.) Well that's definitely something i'll have to take in to consideration however I think you're taking things a bit out of context. Yes I can admit to being a Nintendo fanboy however I dont think you'll admit to being an Xbot. I haven't seen you say anything positive about Nintendo but you praise Microsoft up to heaven as if they can do no wrong. You start a thread asking for people's opinions and then when you get them you throw a tantrum. One very large factor is the lack of Japanese support or killer app which you seem to think (looking at your first post) is something to factor in but when I mention it as an important factor to resolve you tell a different story, that it doesn't matter to the longevity of a console which I hope you have a better idea of now. You have a very odd double standard at play and you seem to completely miss the boat on the simple fact that this is a Nintendo message board and people are going to be more judgemental when it comes to 'other' consoles just as you are more judgemental towards Nintendo and more leanient with MS.
I guess what i'm saying is if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Dont ask for opinions or feedback if you dont actually want it. When those opinions hit, even if sorely negative, you have to realize it comes with the territory and hopefully (unless the person is just trying to be a dick) will offer a view point you hand't previously considered which, i'm assuming, was the point of this thread.
Do you... actually read what you type? I'm just curious.
1.) Going by the same numbers, you could say that the PSP has an installed user base of about 10 million. Which they dont. They shipped about 10 million units worlwide so far (which means the stores purchased those units) but the actual consumers have purchased about half that number.
You must not have kept up with the PS1 or PS2 launch. There were a number of games at launch but neither Playstation has launched with a so-called killer app. As usual, there were a number of games at launch, several in the months following (the dry period), and then several killer apps land about 12-18 months after the console has been out. Why, oh why, should Xbox 360 need to follow a different schedule in order to avoid doomsday? They'll be fine, better than fine, just watch.
2.) 360 doesn't have anywhere near the Japanese support that Playstation has.
Going by the same schedule that every console seems to follow, it seems reasonable to think that when the PS3 and Revolution launch then Xbox 360 will have it's second generation games and most likely a killer app or two, all while PS3 and Revolution go through their launch phase. Not to mention there will probably be a price drop and plenty of consoles to go around next holiday while the PS3 inevitably has a shortage and people overlook the Revolution because it's from Nintendo. Oh, and there will probably be a platinum priced game or two as well...probably more. I'd say they are in a great position. Again, these first few months just aren't that important in the long run.
3.) It's funny how you assume things and yet deny other assumptions from other people. Revolution is going to launch with killer apps even if its killer app is Zelda: PT. The PS3 looks as though it's going to launch with a Final Fantasy game. Now depending on which system launches near Christmas, there will be the same rush to grab it as there was with 360 because it's a hot holiday item and as with any console, it's longesvity on the 'it' factor has everything to do with the game's available for the system.
I've never seen a console, in the past twenty years, hit the ground running with a steady stream of games or killer apps. It's a five+ year affair, and it usually isn't until the second or third year when a console really starts to hit its stride in terms of sales and games. You disagree? If not, then why do you insist that Xbox 360 needs a killer app right now? If so, explain, with examples, how Xbox 360 is already a lost cause or that it's long-term success is effected. I'm not arguing that it wouldn't help, because that would be stupid. Of course it would help, but I question how important a killer app really is this early in the game...especially when there aren't any other players in the game.
4.) Aren't any other players? Didn't you read the sales data that you posted? Weren't you the one talking about installed user bases, etc? Anyway, all systems need a killer app. The N64 and GC survived on killer apps alone with almost no third party support while the PS2 rocketed to first place because of sheer number of games from every third party in the market. if the 360 had better Japanese support I could see why it wouldn't need a killer app but just as they did with XBox 1 they rode the wave of sales Halo and Halo 2 which, as a system with lackluster Japanese support, made the smart decision in finding a killer app for the American market.
Yeah, let's just forget that children also want to play Grand Theft Auto and Soul Calibur or Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter...all Teen and Mature rated games. What were you getting at?
5.) Obviously you didn't watch any younglings in the mall getting ID'd trying to buy T and M games. My wife got ID'd buying RE4 lmao. The stores are starting to crackdown and from a business perspective and for the sake of argument we will call a game that is made for the younger crowds an E rated game.
You obviously haven't payed any attention to what J Allard or Robby Bach or anyone else at Microsoft have been saying, let me fill you in. Their first outting is when they targetted Sony's demographic. The 18-35 crowd, and they've been moderately successful. They realize, however, that there is a bigger crowd out there and one they could possibly reach given the right image and games. Why do you think they changed the color of the console to the off-white color? Why do you think they created two sku's? Why do you think they are completely behind Xbox Live Arcade? It's a multi-faceted approach to gain more gamers ranging all ages. They want to retain their hardcore crowd that bought the Xbox, that's why the harddrive is there. They want a more casual crowd, and the people who play games for a few minutes at a time, that's why Xbox Live Arcade is so important. They want to appeal to a younger demographic and that's why games like Kameo are important. You think a new Banjo game won't sell to the 7-17 crowd?
There are alot of potential buyers out there, Microsoft is trying to get their attention. Surely you, even though you're squarely focused on Nintendo, have noticed that the 360 image and treatment is entirely different than the original Xbox? If they were just going after the same 18-35 crowd, don't you think they would have kept it black, kept the harddrive, given Kameo more of an edge, etc? Think on that.
6.) If they released a Banjo game on 360 it would be a massacre. Look at what happened to Grabbed by the Ghoulies (developed by the Banjo team). I think it would sell if it were rated T but by doing that, they are removing children from the demographic. A T rated game is not for all ages senor paco. ...now please explain why a hard drive and the system's color have anything to do with demopgraphic...?
COD2 is a simulator? Last I checked it was a shooter...yes, I'm pretty sure what I played was a shooter.
Where are your reviews for the 18-35+ crowd?
7.) .....okay, you dont seriously think that a wartime FPS that is striving for realism is a 'shooter' in the same vein as PDZ? Do you honestly think that? That's like comparing Starfox to a WW2 flight sim. Onei s abviously going for arcade style shootemups while the other is going for dramatic realism.
So far in the 18+ crowd i've heard alot of mixed reviews, it seems to be one of those love it or hate it kind of games with no middle ground. COD (and it's sequels and other games of its type) fall flat with people who aren't military buffs. Now I am a military buff but I dont enjoy the 'simulator' aspects of these type of games. I want the arcade type of gameplay in my FPS games like Timesplitters, PDZ, etc.
Xbox 360's sold in November: 325,902
Kameo, units sold in November: 73,801
It sold to almost a third of the people who bought a 360 in November. How is that bad?
Considering that a game like Halo sold to less than 1/4th the installed user base of the Xbox, or that Grand Theft Auto sold to less than 1/5th of the PS2 base...yeah, think on that.
8.) It is the lowest selling first party game escpecially when you consider that COD 2 sold 250,730 units. Your ratio ideal doesn't really pan out when you consider a console that has an installed user base in the millions. Of course, i'm only assuming that your ratios are correct which seem odd to me considering that everyone I know with an XBox has Halo and everyone I know with a PS2 have a GTA game. But ultimately it doesn't matter, a game selling well over 200 thousand and a game that didn't even break 100 thousand; There is clearly something to be said about the popularity of the game.
I see you're getting frustrated, resorting to petty name calling and (I must say) poor insults.
9.) lmao... I called you a dwarf, i had no idea anyone would actually take offense to that. It was a light hearted comment. ...are you a dwarf? or "little person"? If you are obviously I would have no idea of such a thing. But if I offended you I apologize, it wasn't my goal.
You think I being defensive when all I'm doing is disagreeing with you.
10) Hahaha :D
I see your arguements as largely bias (you yourself admit to being a Nintendo fanboy) and mostly nonsense. I was actually quite surprised you even came in this thread, seeing as how I started it, and I was quietly hoping that you would just stay out so the thread doesn't get ruined. You're almost as bad as OB1 in the sense that you don't give anyone else's word any value. You argue with everyone and stand steadfast even when a sensible arguement no more speculative or no less supported is presented. I'm not talking of myself but of every thread I've seen you in and with some of the other members.
11.) Well that's definitely something i'll have to take in to consideration however I think you're taking things a bit out of context. Yes I can admit to being a Nintendo fanboy however I dont think you'll admit to being an Xbot. I haven't seen you say anything positive about Nintendo but you praise Microsoft up to heaven as if they can do no wrong. You start a thread asking for people's opinions and then when you get them you throw a tantrum. One very large factor is the lack of Japanese support or killer app which you seem to think (looking at your first post) is something to factor in but when I mention it as an important factor to resolve you tell a different story, that it doesn't matter to the longevity of a console which I hope you have a better idea of now. You have a very odd double standard at play and you seem to completely miss the boat on the simple fact that this is a Nintendo message board and people are going to be more judgemental when it comes to 'other' consoles just as you are more judgemental towards Nintendo and more leanient with MS.
I guess what i'm saying is if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Dont ask for opinions or feedback if you dont actually want it. When those opinions hit, even if sorely negative, you have to realize it comes with the territory and hopefully (unless the person is just trying to be a dick) will offer a view point you hand't previously considered which, i'm assuming, was the point of this thread.